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Young man, there's no need to feel down.
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy.

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough.
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.

It's fun to stay at the Y-M-M-V.
It's fun to stay at the Y-M-M-V.

Just joking, but since your not posting anymore, I might as well have some fun.

Jmac wrote:


You should feel lucky Jmac...remember your Canadian.

IMHO, it was wrong for YMMV to state "all Americans" in describing how the chicas feel about our presence in CR. I also think his formula for success works for himself based on the fact that he LIVES there. Most of us don't so getting into these deep emotional ties for a five to ten day visit is useless. I do agree on his thoughts of being disrespectful, as I have seen a few instances in the DR where the guy definitely needed to be bitch slapped.

The only thing that confuses me a little is that YMMV writes that he is semi-young and handsome, speaks pretty good Spanish, enjoys deep emotional ties with many different ladies, and lives in CR. With that recipe I hardly doubt I would be screwing half the DR trying to establish deep relationships, which he stated. To me the non-gulch scene would be more adequate, and many of them would have little or no interaction with Americans, but maybe I read it wrong and I'm too lazy to go back and look.

Common sense tells me that the DR would be the last place to look for a meaningful emotional relationship (Zona Blue being a close second). Now if I could only get Paco to understand that.

Since we dont like comments that put us all under the same umbrella , then maybe we should think before doing the same to the HDR girls. Just like the 6500+ of us are all different in our own ways... So are the chicas. Being a "pro" dosen't make them some kind of souless machine. There is no rule book on how to act in order to make $ in thier profession. Thousands of girls walk through those doors every year and believe it or not, most all of them want something in thier future other than money. I personally know several who who quit almost as soon as they started because they couldn't stand the thought of being a puta. Many of them would gladly get out of this work if they had a better alternative such as a man they could love. Even the ones who seem to care about nothing but money actually do. Most of them don't know us any better than we know them so they can't be expected to just drop thier guard completely after talking to us a couple of times. I think anyone who sincerely wanted something more than sex, even from a HDR girl , could find it with a little effort. They aren't all clones of each other. Remember, this isn't thier dream job. Offer something better if you want something better.

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[/quote]Shawn4DelRey wrote:

Since we don’t like comments that put us all under the same umbrella , then maybe we should think before doing the same to the HDR girls[quote]

Sorry dude, but IMHO the "good for the goose stuff” just doesn't wash (IMHO). I think that you might be able to get away with broad generalizations about both DR Debs and Mongers, I mean we pay for sex and they sell sex, but so what?

It is the value judgments that YMMV was making that I think got most people's goat, like those of us that go down to monger and not do everything in our power to romance these young tulips are completely wrong. He was even going to give lessons on the subject, He should have been called GMB; for Give Me a Break. In my opinion the guy was just a “would be pick up artist” that realized he had little game in the States, so he moved to CR. I mean some of the stuff the guy was quoting was straight out of the book “The Game” that was just reviewed by the NYT not too long ago.

As far as these girls having hopes and desires just like the rest of us, well, that may be true, but it is the way that people go about achieving those desires that separate the wheat from the chaff. Regardless of what a girl tell you about how hard life is etc. there is always an honorable way to better yourself; although it is always the harder way. For every DR Deb with a sob story that I have met, there are a dozen Ticos or Ticas that where born to no great shakes, but made it without having to do something considered unacceptable by normal society. Personally, I think that when a Deb tells her sob story she is just setting up the long con, but that is just my opinion........ :wink

Well said TimBones... both times!

I'm sleepy.......

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Shawn4delray, I started to get a tear in my eyewhen I read your post, but it dried right up when I read Timbones.

Tim , I don't listen to the sob stories and never did. They all have one, no matter what the truth is... it's part of thier daily pitch. The ones I have gotten to know over time are actually decent people that don't deserve to be treated like trash. They are as different from each other as we are. There are too many assholes out there willing to condemn them for doing something that I see nothing wrong with. As for us, some guys just want a piece of poosie & others want more. Nothing wrong with either. Personally, if I wanted to mistreat women I would just stay in the states & make life hell for the miserable gringas I run across. The majority of them deserve it. They're whores too by the way... just with no excuses for it. Talk about socially unacceptable! No need to pick on the latinas when we have the worlds worst tramps right here in the USA. I'd take a DR girl anyday over one of those pigs.

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CR is such a paradox of things it seems. In so many ways I see both sides to what Shawn & Timbones point out. I would like to say that all Latinas that show up working in the P4P industry in CR are of a different nature than a real normal non P$P type because it would make it much easier to understand & deal with mentally but have found so many that just did it a few times never to return & totally appeared to be the girl next door type without any major mental or drug problems that I could detect & believe the ability of finding these keeps many very intrigued with the fantasy game. I could tell the time I spend with this type that they had not been around all that much & some appeared very clumsy with sex as if they had not been with many men in their life. Some things just tell their own story & don't lie if you really pay attenion. This type is a low percentage group & the highest percentage are the harder P$P group too me anyway but they all have some heart & soul & want some guy to take care of them to me #1 & if love happens as #2 then it is a bonus for them either way it is win-win for them & for us who knows that always cumes out in the wash later .

I just don't see why a good normal guy would ever look at these DR Debs as a true romance situation & logic would dictate too me that one would save this energy & effort for something worthy of building a future on if one is looking for a LTR (long term relationship). Nothing of any true quality can be build off of a bad foundation but you sure can have a lot of fun with fantasies.

It would seem this is the biggest danger men have in Latina countries too me is if they do not have a lot of experience in dealing with this culture they are easy to become one of its new victims. Seems like so many men I have known are familiar with P$P on the USA standard & think they are well adjusted to it & know how to deal with it & go to CR thinking they will be in control of it all. Well many may but many have never experience some of the low percentage type I talked about finding & when this happens is when many can fall into an area of confusion for themselves. Think men are always better off with an iron clad rule of no matter what I find period it is just a fantasy & nothing more. Places like HDR really do separate the weak from the strong it would appear.

Seems like we all just try to justify what we want or what we are doing in the end but who really cares who does what which way as long as we find our happiness since life is so short but I guess I always try to point out these relationships that connect in & around the gulch I just never see them work & hear all the pain & suffering at some point so why waste your time even trying no mater what one finds there when there are far better places to forge real relationships??

Think it is funny how YMMV tried to throw all of us in the same pile of shit when he doesn't have near the experience as someone like Timbones but he seems to think he is head & shoulders above many of us, what a true joker indeed. He appears to be one of CR other type of victims where success is so easy one thinks he has the look with the formula but give it time it all normalizes & shooting fish in a barrel in or out of the gulch will get old with time at least it did for me but sampling the different chocolates from time to time has been a steady source of pure entertainment.

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Zippy, I agree that most p4p girls are hardened & not good gf material. Hell... alot of them can't even give a good gfe! I have met my share,but have been lucky enough to meet many who had not yet been through the wringer. Really sweet girls. Tell ya what though... My last gf in the US is a real estate broker/developer. Prior to that she was a stripper in a few Miami & NY clubs such as scores & pure gold. She was a total knockout. Looked like a centerfold. But the 1st time she pissed me off I dumped that spoiled, gold diggin', coke snortin' gringa infront of about 200 people... and never felt so good in my life. That was better than sex! I needed that though. The time spent with her reminded me of everything I hate about gringas and everything I missed about latinas. I have had a tica novia for almost 2 years now and can honestly say that she is hands down better (in every way) than any gringa I've ever been with.

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Shawn, I will never argue about this statement in a billion years as I believe the same. Not all Gringas are bad at all & have truly found some great ones but I can honestly say I have always been able to find even better Latinas. Once you truly connect with a Latina I do not know how you can ever go back the other way for anything of true value but one never knows & we are all different. The problem with all of us Shawn too me is Americans both men & women are too spoiled & use to getting our way & we want what we want & it is easier to find what we are looking for I truly believe in CR or other countries of Latin nature. If a man is nice & reasonable & giving it is SUPER easy to find a Latina that reciprocates all this with appreciation now where are you going to find this in our throw away plastic society in the USA?? Latinas by nature are very sweet & real for the most part & this is very effective for them with us since it seems to not be so common anymore amongst the gringas.

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I really don't see why Latina and Gringa has to enter the conversation.

I don't know what Shawn is comparing either. Is a Latina in the states a Gringa? Or is Shawn talking about Latina's in CR? Comparing Latinas in CR with any woman in the states just isn't fair - no way apples to apples.

This constant comparison on here frustrates me, because even in CR the Ticas are not perfect (no where near perfect). And think of it this way, what if you were Tico Shawn, how do you think Ticos look at Ticas? They are on the same playing field so the Ticos probably feel the same about Ticas as you feel about Gringas. They might even feel worse about them, since Ticas so easily sell out to the often "perceived" rich American by the count of 3.

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Sorry Zippy, with all due respect, I am just wondering how you can subscribe to this as you are raising a daughter who is a Gringa (raised in American culture). You will likely want her to attract decent men so I'm sure she'll be giving at least a few American men a challenge which you can only hope that she does.

Would you tell your daughter's bf or husband to be, you can probably find something better in Central or South America?

This example goes to the heart of why I continue to say that we aren't comparing apples to apples so it isn't fair to Zippy's daughter and it isn't fair to the other 50 million women living in the USA.

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Sorry D, but Zippy nailed it. It's almost like he was in my head. I too have been with the same novia for the past 2 years and compared to the gringas I've been with and been married too, there is NO comparison.
Kind, sweet, loving, caring, beautiful are words that come to mind with the Latina.
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LVSteve,
Right on, my friend!
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WOW,I leave you guys alone for a week while I go to the States and what happens. First I read that Handy is going back to Canada and now this. I am sorry if anything I say has already been covered,but my reading comprehension skills aren't up to spending days reading this entire thread.However a few things stick out from what I have read. First I may be fat and ugly,but I'm NOT nasty nor do I drink excessively.. CRT can't make us thinner and better looking,but it sure as hell helps guys learn how to behave in CR.Like the author here,I live in CR and enjoy many situations that come from "knowing the territory and having the time to explore it". However I think I know the difference between "sport-fucking" and a meaningful relationship. I think that YMMV has become the ultimate of what he says he hates. That would be the "ugly Gringo who takes advantage of the chicas. Most guys,like myself,use whatever God gave us to optain a little more for a little less from the chicas in the way of a GFE. YMMV seems to want it ALL for NOTHING from them by giving them all his bullshit and leaving them with nothing to show for it. I maintain that they would rather have his cash than the memories when he decides that the party is over.
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That's okay LVSteve! I actually agree with Zippy and you and MG though on sort of a different level.

I think the chicas are great in many ways.... love them chicas!

The way I see it:

(1) We think Latinas in CR are sweet because they don't give us any resistance. They are open to our advances. It is easy to get women in CR.

(2) We think US women are evil because we have to prove so much more to them in order to get in their lives. It is difficult to get women in the US.

There are reasons why the 2 situations above exist and so this is why I continue to believe that it is not an apples to apples comparison.

I hear you guys - Latinas in CR are sweet! Very true.

I love meek and easy women, but just because a woman makes the conquest a challenge and has high expectations of her potential partner doesn't make her any less kind, sweet, loving, caring and beautiful once you get to know her.

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