www.CostaRicaTicas.com

Any body got a phone # of a good proctologist in CR I bet he would be the one to call about all this?

He deserves a second chance as soon as he quits equivocating and rationalizing and admits clearly and honestly and without qualification that what he did was wrong, period (no excuses and no pointing fingers at others).

He stole something from her.

This discussion is great, but ultimately, this is not complicated IMHO.

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Here is some more twisted thinking!

Here is another theory. This guy is trying to solve the mental problems these young Latinas so willingly inflicted upon him at his expense I might add. He was walking thru the streets of San Jose & never had paid for sex in his life. So he was very thirsty as he had walked for miles. He sees all these men going in & out of our favorite watering HOLE & orders a beer. Man all these beautiful young flies swarm him like he is a Rock Star singing some Spanish folklore in a pile of smelly shit & he gets the scent of MICO which over comes him. Now this lovely is half his age & his normal Religious defense shields were rendered useless. HE HAD SEX with her!! He left CR with the world renowned PACOLOCO Syndrome. His world had changed for ever & she caused it, she threw herself on him & had such real mind bending sex & he was just thirsty! Something just SNAPPED!! WTF

He has all the signs & symptoms of a full blown case. He knows what these girls really are PUTAS & they STOLE his sanity WTF was he going to do? Well options could be marry one, date one etc but these are Putas & they captured part of his soul so he goes back to capture it back with something less trouble & more reliable than a puta it is Video Sex that he can use to help him solve the syndrome they bestowed upon him, it after all is the only known treatment to slow down the brain rot that starts to occur.

It is not two wrongs = one right but a treatment for his syndrome??

Yes pretty twisted logic but finger pointing in the gulch is hard to do just look in the mirror? Besides I am a Gringo, oops Ugly American oh hell Asshole is just fine by me where it is never our fault since we live in the land of honest attorneys & politicians that teach us how too twist the blame where it belongs.

Ruff I know you did not start this thread as a finger pointing exercise in mind. Again let’s think about the whole scene instead of forming a lynching mob after this guy. The gulch is not known to be the most aseptic place in town. No Body got hurt here anyway & lessons where learned. I could really care less just see this as really silly now. Great thread!

Hey it is the Gulch Sex & Shit happens!

haha Zippy!

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Like I've said before, this is a difficult medium to be exact in so it is difficult to know where everyone is coming from when they write something.

I guess it is plain and simple that I don't communicate very well so I best stop this now.... better to be a lurker than a participant.

PACOLOCO - the religious right comment was because we're talking about morals. Morals on a site dedicated to sex tourism! Amazing, but typical American. We seem to want to put rules around everything to the Nth degree.

Here is a great example that leads to me saying WTF:



Didn't I clearly say:


Does that say that I have NO INTEREST? I think NO INTEREST means that I am not interested in doing what this guy did - plain and simple - NO INTEREST. Does it also say that I have NOTHING AGAINST THEIR METHODS?

So how it is that Prolijo could come to this conclusion: apparently have either some ethical or other personal problems with it

If I had some ethical or personal problems with it, I would state them but I hadn't so where does this come from? I said that I have NO INTEREST.

Yes I do. I could care less actually.


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As for the blacklisting: most Chicas couldn’t organize a circle jerk let alone a blacklist. The “chica network” – what a joke since most Chicas have 1 or 2 close friends and the rest are strangers. Even in the SL, I’ve seen the Chicas in separate groups.

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CRT - did anyone know that the Chicas in the SL thinks that CRT is a site full of men looking for wives? (I know, I know... completely off subject but just an interesting fact).

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When I’m in CR, except for the Chicas in the SL, I have a hard time finding any Chica that knows anything about CRT and a lot of guys that I talk to haven’t a clue either so the moral code established here has very little impact in the “REAL WORLD.” This is a very nice website with lots of great information, but it is small in comparison to the real world.

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One last thing: I'm all over the map.

Now Dwayne2864 hold on a minute here you said

You could be on to something BIG here! This thread might be going subliminal or psychic or something??
Maybe that is part of the worries here some guys are worried that their future wife or Novias might be a rising porn star & they don't want this happening. Just a crazy thought?? Just kidding!

Ruff, great post. I personally think video-taping is well in our rights as tica tapers, it's our room right? So I dont think I would call anyone an asshole. As someone posted before if they (puntas) don't want to have business with gringos they can always get a real job.
Personally I'm making a DVD collection of my greatest hits Vol 1. It's something for my friends and family to enjoy on a saturday night.

I don't know if your whole post was meant to be funny or just the last sentence, but-
this has to be one of the most ignorant statements posted lately, (and that's saying a lot looking at this thread alone.)

Chi-Town Monger, I'm glad you joined in to this conversation... I figured you eventually would.



First off, it may be your room, but that logic is seriously flawed... can I secretly video-record ladies using my bathroom or guests using the shower at my house? It's my house, right? Sorry, bro, but that doesn't fly in my book.

I may be speaking the obvious, but just FYI... In Costa Rica, prostitution is legal, and therefore a real job. The fact that they are prostitutes doesn't make them any smaller or less significant than you as a human being... Always remember that. And just because they are dealing with gringos shouldn't automatically result in the fact that they are succeptible to abolutely anything the gringo wants... Just that comment and that attitude alone makes us look so so so bad. It's a misconception that some of us Americans display while in a foreign country, acting and coming off with an obnoxiousness and arrogance as if we are so much better than everyone else and can do whatever the Phuck we want simply because of our nationality, and this very behavior and attitude is probably the most weight-laden reason why we have such a bad reputation in so many parts of the world. And even for just a handfull of bad apples, the bad rep affects us ALL. Going on a tangent, but something to think about.

Your post sort of reads like, "Well, the putas have what's coming to them and deserve whatever happens... if not, they'd be going for a real job." Weak and cowardly way to hand off the blame for a bad move on the anonymous CRT member's part...

By the way, that person, or PUTA as you so kindly named her, that was secretly filmed was a friend of mine, and I know her on a much deeper level than the common monger. She did not deserve this to happen to her, simply because of her profession. And trust me when I say this, this event affected her in ways you probably can't understand, and most likely don't give much of a Phuck anyways. Your actions were selfish, callous, and downright-wrong.. Your own actions prove that even you knew it was wrong... why hide the camera under a shirt, why not just laugh it all off when she got upset instead of apologize profusely again and again when caught... why try to apologize again after the fact at the SL? Why try to lie to the girl and say it wasn't recording and making other lame-o explainations to her...

I may be way off base on this, but that doesn't sound like a person who didn't think he was doing anything wrong...

Bottom line, this is just my opinion on the matter, what was done by this 'gentleman' was wrong on many levels.

Oh, and you're right, I shouldn't call the guy an asshole, that would be going too easy on him. He deserves much worse in my book...

Anyone who still doesn't understand or wants to question my stance on this can do so in a pm... it doesn't need further public exposure or debate in my opinion.

Thanks for reading.

Ruffnutz

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Ruff, who the Phuck made you moral leader of CRT?, maybe you should volunteer for the red cross or some shit instead of going to CR. Did you read your bullshit? Your going to honestly tell me all these photos on this board were all approved by the ladies? I mean come on.

It is admirable to defend the putas, why not start a union for putas? Sexy Bitch-Wannbe organizer.

Also it is legal to video someone in your own room in CR. If we are talking legalities.

Chi-Town Monger,
Your use of the term "puta" is highly offensive and demonstrates a complete lack of respect for the ladies. Your comments on this thread are equally repugnant.

The putas are "ladies" now?

Here is how Webster defines lady:
A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.
A well-behaved young girl.

Now anyone that can use the word "repugnant" should know that "lady" is reserved for those who have earned the title. I doubt a lady would ever let you phuck her..... always, without a doubt, she would insist that you make love to her. A lady would never sleep with 2 different guys in the same day and never ever be tempted to steal anyone's wallet even when lying in plain sight.

Here is how Webster defines whore (puta):
A prostitute.
A person considered sexually promiscuous.
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.


Quite the opposite of lady! Are we to sugar coat reality on here? Are we to cave to political correctness?

If you are a whore, if that is what you choose to do for a living, then wear the definition with pride, raise that head, look straight ahead and be proud..... you have a REAL job!

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I'm going to see if I can be of assistance to the putas and create them a website of blacklisted mongers.... that tight network of putas that exists in Costa Rica.... all they need is a website and a union.

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Cheers. BYE.

Yeah its pretty funny indeed, all high and mighty. Lets put these "ladies" on a pedestal I say!

Let me get this straight. Are you saying you have NO INTEREST? Exactly what do you mean by no INTEREST? If you have no ethical problems with taping a chica without her knowledge or consent, why do you "always ask for a picture before she leaves my room" when "to do it secretly is easier than asking"? Also, initially you said about secret taping that "It is bad". Then you changed your mind about it BUT only under certain conditions. Thats what I mean by being all over the map and inconsistent. All of that certainly suggests, to me anyway, some uncertainty on your part about the moral ambiguities of such practices. Then what did you say? Was it that you had NO INTEREST? Why don't you have NO INTEREST? Isn't that EXACTLY a matter of personal choice? You have a personal problem with it, it doesn't appeal to you personally, you have NO INTEREST. Whatever. Okay so you prefer to phrase it as having NO INTEREST in doing this yourself. Whats your point and who cares? It all amounts to the exact same thing in the end anyway. You don't tape chicas without their consent. Essentially you're saying the same thing as I attempted to restate from your previous posts, but you want to split hairs.Well, I'm glad I at least got that part right. EVEN if I got all of the above completely wrong, you're focusing on my choice of words in one sentence and completely missing the point of that sentence and the rest of the post. The real issue I was trying to raise out of your prior posts is either an inability on your part to differentiate between the moral issues raised by secretly taping a chica and the much more limited practices that you're willing to engage in yourself or else your complete lack of concern (excuse me, NO INTEREST) about the ramifications of those differences.Now we're getting to the core issue. Unlike you, I see no contradiction or hypocrisy at all even on the part of a group of mongers concerning themselves with trying to practice their hobby as responsibly as possible. Actually because we are already operating so close to the edge we have to be even more careful that we don't step over it. This isn't about applying a bunch of arbitrary moral rules on other people based on our own personal choices. There is only ONE rule that I think can fairly applied to others and that is the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In other words, people should be free to do whatever they want as long as they're not harming others or infringing on their rights to do the same. From that perspective, there is nothing immoral at all in engaging in mutually consensual sex with another adult even if there is a commercial basis to the act. Taping, photographing or in any other way recording another person without their knowledge or consent fails that test. It denies them their right to choose whether they want to be recorded. Its an invasion of their privacy. All that they agreed to when coming to your room was to engage in sex at that place for that period of time and not to have their intimate actions recorded for later sexual enjoyment by you or possibly others. Back on the Gold Standard, would you want someone to record you that way and possibly post it publicly or share it with others? Maybe you would, but that would be your choice, but how do you know it would be theirs? Would you want someone to deny you your right to decide for yourself?

But say we accept your argument that mongering is immoral either in actuality or merely in the perspective of the religious right, does that mean we should throw any other moral considerations out the window? Does it mean we're incapable of making our own moral decisions or disqualified from having an opinion on the moral actions of others? If we've violated one moral precept, does that mean we have carte blanche to violate others? That's a stupid question. The answer is easy even from a non-monger perspective. It's clearly #2. In #1 you're merely having sex with a hooker. In #2 its implicit that you're having sex with a hooker but you're also pulling a fast one on her. In #1, you might be cheating on your wife or SO. In #2 you're definitely cheating the chica as well.Yes, IMHO, secretly taping an act of mongering is worse than simple mongering. You can't tell the average person that you just killed your wife either. Just because they all have lack of social acceptance in common doesn't mean they're all equivalent. And just because we may have violated someone else's moral rule doesn't mean we can't judge yet another person for violating yet another rule. Maybe the first rule is invalid or maybe it isn't. That has no bearing on the validity of the other rules.

The real question is whether you believe in absolute moral truths or moral relativism. Absolute moral truths often have little to do with what is accepted by certain segments of society or even with formal laws. Somethings are just plain wrong regardless of what different people might think. For example, I would think "thou shalt not kill" (except perhaps under certain proscribed circumstances) is a moral law most people would have to agree with however moral or immoral they themselves might be in other areas. That the view of mongering as somehow seedy and immoral is based on some sort of arbitrary standard of the so-called "moral majority" doesn't mean I have to accept that viewpoint. The distinctions I have drawn between mongering and the types of behavior we have been discussing is based on a more definitive standard, that of violating someone else's rights.

Moral relativism is much more complex. It posits that there are different levels of good and bad and that what we define as good and bad may differ between individuals. If you accept the idea that secretly taping is at all bad then secretly taping a mongering session is by its very nature worse than simply mongering alone because it compounds the situation. But what about the idea that some might not see taping as all that bad just as we don't see anything wrong with our simple mongering. As you said, who are we to judge? Again, it comes down to a) the fact that I have established a basis for my view and b) my so-called sin of mongering does not harm anyone other than myself whereas the "sin" of taping effects someone other than the sinner. If it weren't for that, I would say let the other guy do whatever he wants despite my personal view of whether it was moral. Okay, maybe you didn't exactly say two wrongs make a right, but you do seem to suggest that two wrongs are no worse than one. And despite what you say about other risks the flip side does apply. We face the risk of AIDS, herpes, being slipped a roofie and then robbed blind. Does that mean that the risk of their lying to us, rushing us or snatching the little extra money we fail to lock up when we aren't looking is NOTHING? And as for the other things such as RFM's or paying cien, don't we have to agree to any of that? Just as we wouldn't want any of those things to happen to us, they wouldn't want to have some creep take revealing pictures of them without their knowledge or permission for purposes unknown. It may not be their primary concern but it is a valid one. Call it two wrongs making a right or the double standard or whatever you want. By any name it is still flawed logic.
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In the time it took me to write this I see we have a new guy making equally ridiculous statements. And now Dwayne is cranking out the dictionary and parsing the terms whore and lady. Well we've been down that road many times before. I agree that lady is being overgenerous with these gals, but isn't a value-ladden term like whore with all its negative connotations equally harsh in the opposite direction? I'm sure all of the above will draw another convoluted response from Dwayne or maybe Chi-town Monger will chime in with another inflammatory and disrespectful response. There is no reasoning with some people. They either get it or they don't. This post is my last comment on this thread. The rest of you can have at it.

Well, I was going to refrain from posting on this thread but this has spun out of control. It's like a phucking soap opera. This is simple common sense and the dead horse has been beaten bad enough, There are all kinds on people in the world and this will not change.

Unforntunately, this act does reflect on us all, just like one chica stealing puts us on the defennsive. It is going to happen and will happen again. That is life. There are people with integrity and people who lack it. I am speaking about the mongers and the chicas, we all know this, so let's move on.

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Oh MAN I have got a headache on this one. Too Much even for seedy old me! We need a good Proctologist with a long arm to get DEEP into this thread & fast. Holy SHIT!

Dwayne hang in there it will get better I like your posts it provokes some interesting results.