If these guys knowingly propositioned an und***ge girl and paid her for sex as this story suggests, then it goes without saying they deserve whatever happens to them. Anyone who has read my posts or the introduction to my website knows I come down as hard as anyone on any jerk that exploits Ch*ldren. If that is what happened here, I don't want to appear to in any way excuse these guys. However, but I have to agree with TMan that some aspects of this story just strike me as kinda fishy. At the very least there may be some lessons for us here.
The 1st big lesson is that propositioning girls on the street, who at best appear of questionable age, is a risk that is just not worth taking. As TMan pointed out there are young girls who look older than 18 and there are also 20 year olds that look younger. Unless you're with a women that is clearly well past that 18 mark, you can never be completely sure. Only picking up girls that are allowed in bars or work in MP's at least provides some greater assurance, since presumably mosts bar owner safeguard against that sort of activity occurring in their business for their own legal protection if not for yours. Personally checking their ID's before paying them anything provides even better assurance.
That brings me to the 2nd big lesson. We all know we should pay them to leave, ie after sex. Certainly we wouldn't pay them before we even got up to the room (and after the ID check in the lobby). These guys are accused of paying this girl for sex, not simply propositioning her, and yet they never made it past the lobby. Could they really have made such a rookie mistake? Possibly.
This series of events may have happened just as the girl described, but here is what I think happened. Was SHE approached or did she approach THEM? Not that that matters much since, in any case, the guys propositioned her or took her up on her offer. Did they know she was und***ge? Maybe or maybe not. Maybe they should have at least suspected. But if they knew or suspected, what did they think was going to happen when they brought her back to the hotel? Maybe they didn't know hotels check ID's or maybe they did but didn't consider the possibility the girl's ID wouldn't check out. At the very least, if the girl was obviously und***ge they'd have realized it would raise a lot of eyebrows trying to march her through the hotel lobby. This analysis by itself suggests to me that these guys probably didn't know she was und***ge or at least didn't stop to think about it and were guilty of stupidity more than anything else.
What happened next? They brought her back to the hotel and when it came time to check her in discovered they had a problem. Either they didn't realize her ID would be checked or they were really innocent and had genuinely thought she was legal. In either event, at that point they now knew with certainty she was a minor and they would not be able to take her up their room.
So why did they pay her? Did they really pay her in advance for the sex they thought they would be getting in the room? Seems less likely to me. Much more likely was that they were paying her off for her inconvenience and as hush money not to complain about the mistake they had made picking her up? I think the "discussion" was how much was it going to take to keep her quiet.
She told the police SHE was approached and that there was a "personal" discussion between her and the men before she decided to go to police and make a formal complaint? That makes it sound like she simply changed her mind about prostituting herself and just decided to do the right thing and report them. I don't think this girl was innocent as she makes it out. This was not just some church girl. Whether they approached her or she approached them, she knew what they thought she was going to do for them back at the room.
Did they give her any money. If not and they simply made the mistake of misjudging her age and offering her money but did not follow through for whatever reason, do they really deserve to be locked up as Ch*ld molesters? If they paid her money but it was to keep her quiet, then she was basically blackmailing them and depicting herself as a complete innocent in this affair is not altogether accurate either.
I know these guys definitely made a huge mistake that they deserve to pay some sort of price for. But of all the parties involved the one person you can say with certainty that knew the girl wasn't legal was the girl herself. I don't think this girl was some wide-eye innocent. She knew what she was doing all along and deliberately played on these guy's stupidity. She probably knew she'd never make it to the room and had blackmail in mind from the very beginning. I think TMan was absolutely correct. Can you say SETUP.
The lessons:
1) Don't proposition girls on the street - bars, MP's and clubs are safer and don't cost much more. Getting caught with a minor is just one of the added risks you run.
2) Picking up non-pros are a slightly different case, but then normally you might offer dinner but not money with them anyway. Still its probably best to avoid any borderline non-pro chicas as well,. You never know when you might find yourself in "he said-she said" situation.
3) Unless the girl is clearly in her 20's or above, always check ID's, particularly before you proposition girls you meet on the streets, but also before you take any border-line girl back to your room.
4) Don't try to circumvent hotel security or chica fees. Its a small price to pay for an added level of protection. Or if you do sneak around realize that you're on your own.
5) Always pay at the end, never before. If you're stupid enough to get caught in a compromising position, don't figure any amount of hush money is going to get you out of it.
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