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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:55 pm 
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I have a fav that moved to Puerto Viejo, South of Limon. No way in hell I'd travel there just to see her ... but ... I have never visited that area, so THAT could be a compelling reason to do so.

Puerto Viejo is one of the most beautiful places in the country with some of the most beautiful white sand beaches and crystal clear blue water you can imagine. It is a long drive and even longer bus ride, will be very hot and could be a lot of rain/flooding during certain times of the year. However, it was always one of my favorite spots until the security situation went so far downhill. That has improved in the last year or two to the point, I don't 'NOT recommend' it anymore if that makes sense.

But if you think Jaco is hot...good luck in Puerto Viejo. It is at least as hot and few hotels have A/C. My favorite hotel there is the Banana Azul. http://www.bananaazul.com/

All kinds of nature/adventure stuff to do in the area but my favorites were the overnight (or multiple night) stay with the indian tribe that lives on the river that borders Panama or a tour to Boco del Toro which is a simply amazing place.

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Its one thing to see them in San Jose or Jaco when they are in working mode. Its totally different when they are on their home turf around friends and relatives. Some of them change drastically. Other things come into play such as boyfriends and the fear of relatives finding out how they made all the money they sent home last month. You might not get too embarrassed showing your Rotary Club friends photos of your vacation babes here. Most of you wouldn't walk your hometown streets with your trophies from here. Put yourself in their position. Most of us don't have that Brad Pitt look.


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I have often heard here about the chicas being embarrassed about their profession in front of their families. Some of these girls send, or bring, a substantial amount of money to their families. Just what do their families think they are doing to earn all this money?? They live here, they know the limited job opportunities for women in costa rica. I think they know full well what is going on here. They CHOOSE to live in a supposed ignorance. This way they can feel good about the money they receive. I truly empathize with the chicas, but feel little sympathy for the families. They hold the chica to a moral standard, but accept the money, and hold themselves to no moral standard.

I am not knocking anyone on this board, just something I noticed, time and time again. The double standard the families have with the girls employment status. I have known a girl for years, same thing, always worried about mom finding out, but the mother and family accept the money. They know she has no education, and I think that deep down they know good and well where the money comes from. Being poor is not an excuse for their behavior.

The chicas are screwed, both figuratively, and literally. Sad thing, that's all.

And again, my point is not directed to anyone on this board.


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You might not get too embarrassed showing your Rotary Club friends photos of your vacation babes here.


My Rotary club has no ideas about what I used to do in Costa Rica but I will say going to a club meeting in Costa Rica sure was an experience. Talk about the upper echelon crowd. I did not wear a suit but had a nice dress shirt and slacks along with nice shoes but I felt like out of place. I have been to many Rotary meetings across the USA along with Mexico, Dominican Republic, Canada, and Panama but the Costa Rican crowd was one that even though they were welcoming and receptive I did notice that they were the elite crowd.


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I have often heard here about the chicas being embarrassed about their profession in front of their families. Some of these girls send, or bring, a substantial amount of money to their families. Just what do their families think they are doing to earn all this money?? They live here, they know the limited job opportunities for women in costa rica. I think they know full well what is going on here. They CHOOSE to live in a supposed ignorance. This way they can feel good about the money they receive. I truly empathize with the chicas, but feel little sympathy for the families. They hold the chica to a moral standard, but accept the money, and hold themselves to no moral standard.

I am not knocking anyone on this board, just something I noticed, time and time again. The double standard the families have with the girls employment status. I have known a girl for years, same thing, always worried about mom finding out, but the mother and family accept the money. They know she has no education, and I think that deep down they know good and well where the money comes from. Being poor is not an excuse for their behavior.

The chicas are screwed, both figuratively, and literally. Sad thing, that's all.

And again, my point is not directed to anyone on this board.


So, you feel the families should treat the girls like whores? Or not consider them families anymore? I fail to see what you are suggesting. Most families know what these girls do, and do not judge them, especially if her earnings support the family (which is NOT always the case).

It is similar to a US family having a stripper, paying her way through college. It is frowned upon, and just not discussed openly. It might annoy some of the high-moral elders, but does that really matter? Now, prostitution in the USA ... having a hooker in the family ... Pariah!

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I was at the Cocal a month or so ago with BD . We both looked at what was there, and there was plenty to look at, and decided to take nothing, knowing that the best we would have for our money was back in San Jose at an mp. I know for me, it was worth the wait. When you have done this long enough you have a short list of what you know is great and are hesitant to get too excited about trying out new ones.


I think you realize that about 95%, or more, of the guys who go to Jaco would have probably made a selection. This part of your post is a head scratcher. Why go in the first place unless you just wanted to kill some time and see what's up in Jaco? You knew what to expect and what they would ask for. I guess the phrase "TEHO" certainly applies here. Most guys would not travel that distance and see hot women and then decide an MP in SJO is their best option.


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I was at the Cocal a month or so ago with BD . We both looked at what was there, and there was plenty to look at, and decided to take nothing, knowing that the best we would have for our money was back in San Jose at an mp. I know for me, it was worth the wait. When you have done this long enough you have a short list of what you know is great and are hesitant to get too excited about trying out new ones.


I think you realize that about 95%, or more, of the guys who go to Jaco would have probably made a selection. This part of your post is a head scratcher. Why go in the first place unless you just wanted to kill some time and see what's up in Jaco? You knew what to expect and what they would ask for. I guess the phrase "TEHO" certainly applies here. Most guys would not travel that distance and see hot women and then decide an MP in SJO is their best option.

Yeah I know I'd have a difficult time just turning back!

Never been to Jaco and just have no interest... maybe because my trips are shorter, 4-5 nights. I feel like I know exactly what I'm missing, and I credit the CRT posters for the insight.

And the chica I was trying to meet up with was pretty clear she does not like living in Jaco... but it's where the money is and she needs to earn. So as stated hundereds of times, it's ALWAYS about the MONEY.

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I don't go from the states to Jaco. I go from Heredia to Jaco. Living here has it's advantages. When I'm in the states the closest I come to getting laid is good old Manuela. Slowing down in my old age I am happy with getting sex once or twice a week. Ten years ago I went from once a month to once a day. The shine has worn off.

Picture only having cien to spend. You can get any girl at the Cocal for that price tonight or you know you can have 19 year old Karen at Zona Blue first thing tomorrow. You can't have them both. Which one do you choose? Nine times out of ten I pick Karen. Most of the other times I pick an unknown and halfway through I wish I had waited. If I am really lucky, I find a new Karen. I have gone from trying out 10 or 12 new girls a month to one or two. Having been with many, it is easy to recognize perfection. I don't have to look when I have two that are better than the hundreds of others I have been with in the past. Still, I was looking when I found them. One of them could wife up tomorrow and I would be forced to look for a replacement. Then again, sex is so incredible with the top two on my list that I may not live through it the next time. Remember, I died trying.

Oh, by the way, Karen isn't the girl I came back from Jaco to see. There have been incredible women who worked in mps. Karen, Jenny, Estephanie, Christina, Luna, and dozens, no hundreds more. What I look for and you look for are probably different.

I approach mongering the same way I approach deer hunting. I have never bagged a deer sitting on the couch at home. I have to get out in the woods. For women you have to go where they are to be found. I don't have to pull the trigger. Last year I shot two deer. I probably spent 20 days hunting. Every day was special whether I pulled he trigger or not. I let a bunch of them walk. Mongering is not just counting scores. It is the thrill of the hunt. It is picking the one I want. The one I think I will be happy with. I may pick wrong. At this stage in life I am right a lot more times than I am wrong. When wrong, I learn from my mistakes and improve my game. Sometimes I take one against my intuition just to test my judgement.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:18 am 
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Regardless of monetary differences...the experience you get with a looker at Cocal is absolutely and completely different that what you experience at an MP in San Jose, irrespective of the session quality! It just cannot be compared. Which one you prefer is TEHO.

In my upcoming trip I'm choosing to experience and enjoy both scenes, SJO for three days, then Jaco for four....followed by a week in MDE. Quite a treat :D


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[quote][So, you feel the families should treat the girls like whores? Or not consider them families anymore? I fail to see what you are suggesting. Most families know what these girls do, and do not judge them, especially if her earnings support the family (which is NOT always the case).

It is similar to a US family having a stripper, paying her way through college. It is frowned upon, and just not discussed openly. It might annoy some of the high-moral elders, but does that really matter? Now, prostitution in the USA ... having a hooker in the family ... Pariah!/quote]

No offense, but did you read what I said?? Nowhere in my statement did I say the families should mistreat the women. That was not my point. I simply find it hypocritical to take the money, but punish the girl if she gets caught. My whole point was that the families know. Again, did you read the entire post?? I made it very clear that was not my point. I wasn't suggesting the families DO anything!! Show me where I said that!! It simply makes me angry that the same people that spend the money gotten from the lady, put her in the position of feeling guilty. I say again, go back and re-read, it is quite clear what I meant.


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I was at the Cocal a month or so ago with BD . We both looked at what was there, and there was plenty to look at, and decided to take nothing, knowing that the best we would have for our money was back in San Jose at an mp. I know for me, it was worth the wait. When you have done this long enough you have a short list of what you know is great and are hesitant to get too excited about trying out new ones.


I think you realize that about 95%, or more, of the guys who go to Jaco would have probably made a selection. This part of your post is a head scratcher. Why go in the first place unless you just wanted to kill some time and see what's up in Jaco? You knew what to expect and what they would ask for. I guess the phrase "TEHO" certainly applies here. Most guys would not travel that distance and see hot women and then decide an MP in SJO is their best option.

There is more to Jaco than the Cocal. There just isn't that much more to do at nite in Jaco than the Cocal, since the Monkey Bar was shuttered.

As for me, I was open quoted $150, which puts me in a position to negotiate to cien, which was overpriced for what was being negotiated. I'd have had to counter with $50, and that would have set the tne for a shit session. I just called it quits in advance.

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No offense, but did you read what I said?? Nowhere in my statement did I say the families should mistreat the women. That was not my point. I simply find it hypocritical to take the money, but punish the girl if she gets caught. My whole point was that the families know. Again, did you read the entire post?? I made it very clear that was not my point. I wasn't suggesting the families DO anything!! Show me where I said that!! It simply makes me angry that the same people that spend the money gotten from the lady, put her in the position of feeling guilty. I say again, go back and re-read, it is quite clear what I meant.

Ok, I getcha. Don't agree, but that's my failing I suppose.

The families only get upset when the girl has committed the extra sin of being publicly exposed as a hooker. That is humiliating for the family in general. As for the 'making her feel guilty', that is a typical 'control method' employed by parents. It's not unique to the working girls in latino countries, though it's possibly more common than we know about.

The funny thing is that the mothers in these families remember their own pasts, and if they never got exposed, they're more apt to fury against their offspring than a mother who went through the whole embarrassment thing herself. Of course, the opposite could also be true: "I told you to [...], and NOW look at what happened!!!".

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As a guy who was really down on HDR for the last year, I just spent easter week in Jaco, most of it at the Cocal. Bit of an eye opener. First, it was a LOT slower than I would have thought. Yes I know it's family time and all, but they all go to the beach, or so I thought. Thurs/Fri it was pretty dead in Cocal.

Second, it's no wonder girls are asking for $150 (and yes some will settle for $100 or even less but it's a battle) since I saw guys tipping $10 for a single beer, and not even blinking when a mediocre girl asked for $200, and one guy told me he 'had' to pay a girl an extra $200 since she stayed past the one hour time limit...you don't even want to know what some guys told me they paid for tln. I could buy a car for what they spent in 3 nights.

Talent overall was so so at best. The few chicas I had my eye on would accept my lowball (cien) offer and then say they'd be right back, and off they'd go to negotiate with another guy who was waiting in the wings and I'd never see her again.

But that could be due to the out of balance number of fishing guys vs decent looking chicas.

I found it interesting that the nicas I finally nailed down (after 3 nights of negotiations and losing out) were asking me all about the HDR and if it was busy, because jaco was, according to them, really slow. One was telling the other 'see, I told you so'. Obviously one wanted to leave Jaco for HDR and the other did not.

Obviously they did well for easter week, but they said the rest of the time was too slow. I have seen one in HDR before, she's quite well known.

So I think Jaco is still fun, but not on a busy week. better to go on a slow week I think. And be prepared to compete with guys throwing around $100 bills like they were water. Nothing wrong with that, just saying, you should take it into account. If you don't want to pay up or wait three days for your turn, HDR may be a better bet right now.

And the last 2 times I was in HDR it wasn't bad at all. Still a ton of aggressive, out of shape divorcees with 8 K*ds, but a few new faces, which is nice.


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Good Friday at the Cocal or any venue here you are lucky there is a girl there. It is their most important holiday of the year. They are with friends and family. On a normal Friday night at the Cocal there will be well over a hundred women and the quality of looks will be exceptional on the average. There will be a few that would be average at the Del Rey. The girls who are there, just like the girls who work the Del Rey are usually on a mission and quite mercenary. You get a hurry up and get through, it's my body, I set the rules, session. They are there for one reason, to make money. It doesn't mesh with my idea of a relaxed, laid back gfe session, where the clock is not an issue. There are exceptions to the rule to be found and ways to make it happen. One way to make it happen is to tell her you don't want to rush, get her number and text her and tell her to call you after midnight if she gets free. That gives her the chance to make money but puts you at risk of not taking anything if she wifes up for the night.

Understand the conditions. Guys go there to fish usually show up on Thursday and leave on Sunday. They make a long weekend trip from the states. They are dropping $300 to $500 each for a day of fishing if they have several friends sharing the boat costs. No friends and they may be dropping a grand or more each. They have money. They have little problem dropping big money on a girl that would cost them $500 plus an hour in Vegas. The fishing is good until August, September and October. Then the number of people here to fish drops off too. The girls call fishing season, Gringo season. Most of the girls go to Jaco on Thursday afternoon and come back to where ever they are from on Sunday morning. Sunday night, Monday through Wednesday are generally local girl nights at the Cocal. There are many, especially Dominicanas and Colombianas who live there for three months at a time, leave the country to get their visas renewed and return. The ratio of women to customers is close to 1 to 1 on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. It is a sellers market for them. If you want a trophy, you have to pay. You compete with the big money guys who are there fishing. Sunday through Wednesday the ratio can be 4 or 5 girls for each customer who shows up. There aren't as many girls but the chance of taking the best that is there for a reasonable price increases as the night grows later.


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...You compete with the big money guys who are there fishing....

So, if the cream of the crop is in Jaco, and we as consumers have to compete with 'big money' spenders, perhaps the name of this thread ought to be "The Death of Costa Rica for intelligent mongers"!

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