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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:04 am 
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I may come off (again) as a jerk, but I simply want to point out that corporate money and personal money are not the same thing. Jeff has no more responsibility to pay employee wages out of his pocket than we do. It is the responsibility of the business to pay out of profits.

Now, if Jeff was looting the company of profit and not paying the employees, then this is altogether different and I would then agree with the complaints in this thread. But until someone can show without question that he did indeed 'take the profits', then let's not pass judgement on someone.

Businesses collapsing and taking employee money (wages, bonus, entitlements) down the drain is nothing new in CR or the USA. It sucks, and I am sure we have all been the employee in one of these instances (for me, 3 times).

We do not know why Scores collapsed. We would need inside knowledge of the books to know this, and I don't have that view (nor want it). Let's just focus on the good act that we are engaged in, and not degrade it by bitching about what we perceive as bad action on Jeff's part.

I don't know what happened. All I care about is trying to help out the little people. If you can spare $20, $50, $100 to help these folks out, then give it a thought. :D

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I stayed at Scores for three nights last years and vowed to never stay there again because of the loud music from the bar until at least 1 am. All the employees I encountered were very nice, thus the reason I have made a donation. Also, when I saw that Bill from the SL had made a donation, I was convinced it is a worthy cause.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:23 am 
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BashfulDwarf wrote:
I may come off (again) as a jerk, but I simply want to point out that corporate money and personal money are not the same thing. Jeff has no more responsibility to pay employee wages out of his pocket than we do. It is the responsibility of the business to pay out of profits.
Bashful, I don't want to hijack this thread, so I will keep my comments brief. When you are a sole proprietor, or a partnership, in a business, it is not corporate money. Legally, the owners can shield themselves from responsibility, but morally, they can't.


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Hiding behind corporate legal protection is easy. Many think screwing over people is just good business until they are the ones screwed over. Personal responsibility and integrity should count for something. When you choose someone to consider as a friend remember actions such as these denote character or lack thereof. It is easier to forgive the situation if personal actions don't send out a message of don't care about how it is perceived. Personally I don't think I would be out partying under the circumstances.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:33 am 
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GoodDayJohn wrote:
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I may come off (again) as a jerk, but I simply want to point out that corporate money and personal money are not the same thing. Jeff has no more responsibility to pay employee wages out of his pocket than we do. It is the responsibility of the business to pay out of profits.
Bashful, I don't want to hijack this thread, so I will keep my comments brief. When you are a sole proprietor, or a partnership, in a business, it is not corporate money. Legally, the owners can shield themselves from responsibility, but morally, they can't.


Like button again. I personally think Jeff really is a good guy and wanted to do the right thing. I have not met a single employee who did not like the guy. Hopefully he still can make amends.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:57 am 
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GoodDayJohn wrote:
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I may come off (again) as a jerk, but I simply want to point out that corporate money and personal money are not the same thing. Jeff has no more responsibility to pay employee wages out of his pocket than we do. It is the responsibility of the business to pay out of profits.
Bashful, I don't want to hijack this thread, so I will keep my comments brief. When you are a sole proprietor, or a partnership, in a business, it is not corporate money. Legally, the owners can shield themselves from responsibility, but morally, they can't.

Agreed. But we are talking about a hotel, bar and restaurant in Costa Rica, and not a lawn service in Nebraska. Whatever the CR business entities are, I am sure there is some separation of personal liabilities (especially with alcohol licensing involved). Also, morality isn't at issue. Ethics are. It is a big difference.

Someone accused me (humorously) of being a literalist. You guys know I am a bit anal about definitions and such. When a situation turns to casting blame or denigrating someone, we should require proof before we lambaste them publicly.

Let's get off the "why" and just see what we can do to help our friends.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:22 pm 
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The licenses that Jeff holds for the business are valuable to him, to his employees, and to us.

He will probably do his best to preserve his investment that those licenses represent.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:49 pm 
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I was in contact (voice and email) with one of the principle employees of ScoreS today. I received this email today about our collection effort, and I want to share it with y'all without any editing (except for inserting my handle).

Think about it.

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Hi **RAC** thank You so much!!! Im sorry i was in the hospital and Just came home today!! Have a lot gastritis Because Of My stress!! Thank You so much seriously you Guys have Good heart god bless You our christmas Was terrible!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:52 pm 
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Also, morality isn't at issue. Ethics are. It is a big difference.


BD, I will disagree with you on this. Ethics in business is developed thru your own morals. So, there is no difference.

Ethics, sometimes known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

I make my living working with companies to establish a proper compliance and ethics program, to ensure that the type of behavior that is being discussed here is NOT the way that the company conducts their business.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:59 pm 
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What a shame for these employees. Paypal donation sent.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:12 pm 
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more ridiculous "gringothink" bullshit.. :roll: the Filipino/tico mix of theft and ridicule is toxic..absent... lugubrious management is a rash of nails in a coffin... a staff that cheats people out of drinks and a "decent Phuck"...just for fun ...through a prevailing "artifice" of inane jocular banter are once again marveling at the juncture of weak minded stupidity and whining petty remunerative gestures beneath the ludicrously diaphanous veil of "mongering guilt mentality".. :lol: :roll: :lol: ah ..once again ..the "insipid" prowess of "cool merciful sperm" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mister, If you call me diaphanous one more time, I'm gonna hold my breath until I turn blue. :D :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:15 pm 
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Also, morality isn't at issue. Ethics are. It is a big difference.


BD, I will disagree with you on this. Ethics in business is developed thru your own morals. So, there is no difference.

Ethics, sometimes known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

I make my living working with companies to establish a proper compliance and ethics program, to ensure that the type of behavior that is being discussed here is NOT the way that the company conducts their business.

We disagree. There are many cases of moral wrongs that are business requirements. Morals are also TEHO, whereas the ethical conduct of business is generally recognized. Example foreclosures, defaults, job-loss through consolidation, business/branch closures, etc.

This is a way deep topic, and I would love to meet up and discuss over several beers one day. But it's a hijack of the thread here. I respect your opinion, and the direction you are coming from. I understand what you are saying, I just see things differently. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:32 pm 
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Just so you know........ I got another email today from a ScoreS employee who knows about our effort.

Here it is, unedited. And I know that these are genuine, heart-felt words.

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV


Really i dont know how i can bring You Back all this help to us tell the people the i dont have words to explain the emition And feels the i have right Now thank You thank You!!!


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