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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:43 pm 
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Toronto is an expensive city. There is no mongering scene there . Indies advertise on Backpages, majority of ******* agencies run by organize crime, strip joints like the U.S, can get arrested for communication for the.... Yeah, I'm having a ball here....NOT!


wow... it's been a while since i saw a post that was this misinformed.

Toronto is a mecca for the hobby, as of right now it's virtually all 100% legal, and the quality-to-price ratio is outstanding. Travel costs aside, it's not the same bargain as CR or Colombia, but for someone who lives near the border in upstate NY it's heaven!

Unfortunately the laws are all about to change, but I've got enough independents, non-pros and FWB set aside to last me quite a few years. And I personally know a handful of agency owners who are some of the most genuinely nice and normal people I've ever met. Organized crime.... you're watching too many B-movies.


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Canada's current prostitution laws initially intended to keep prostitution illegal. Nevertheless, the law has been played out in such a way that technically it is not illegal to be a prostitute in Canada. Many activities related to prostitution are illegal and women bear the brunt of this. Illegal activities include soliciting, procuring, living off the avails of prostitution and keeping a common bawdy house, which are found in sections 210 to 213 of the Criminal Code.

Keeping a Common Bawdy House: section 210 (1): It is illegal for an owner, landlord, tenant, agent or property manager to knowingly allow their property or any part of the premises to be used as a place for prostitution (sex for money).

Being an Inmate of Common Bawdy House section 210 (2): It is illegal to work or live in a space that is used as a space where sex for money takes place.

Notice of Conviction of Keeping a Common Bawdy House section 210 (3) (4): When a person is convicted of keeping a common bawdy house [section 210 (1)], the court serves a notice to the landlord, property owner or manager saying that the tenant or occupier has been convicted of this offense. The landlord is then expected to take all reasonable steps to evict the person charged, and if he or she doesn't and the person gets charged again then the landlord or property owner will also be charged.

Communication for the purposes of prostitution section 213: It is illegal for a sex worker and client to talk openly in public about exchanging money for sex. Public places include vehicles, parking lots, restaurants/bars, hotel lobbies, streets, or any place that the public has access to or that the public can view. A non-public place would be a hotel room, apartment or house (apartments and homes can be at risk through the bawdy house laws). It is also illegal to stop or attempt to stop or impede motor or pedestrian traffic.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:22 am 
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Canada is the last place I would hobby. The current law is somewhat ambiguous, but the Police almost never bother anyone unless you are picking up women off the street. Stick to the high end women and you shouldn't have any issues.

Now having said this, there are pending new prostitution laws on the books. How this will affect the current scenario remains to be seen.

There is a huge difference between the hobby scene/ladies of Canada and Latin/South America. Sure you can find a hot lady here in Canada that will allow you to masturbate inside of her for a few minutes for $200-$300.

In Latin/South America a lady will go out to diner, movie, hang around, and maybe stay all night for $100. In Canada there is absolutely no chance that a lady is going to spend any social time with you unless you are ok with $200 per hour. Even then most refuse.

In Canada you are not going to find any type of hobby scene or camaraderie with like minded individuals like you would in Latin/South America.

For you guys on the Canadian border it might make sense, but flying here from someplace like Florida or Texas to hobby is crazy in my opinion.

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Attila wrote:
Toronto is an expensive city. There is no mongering scene there . Indies advertise on Backpages, majority of ******* agencies run by organize crime, strip joints like the U.S, can get arrested for communication for the.... Yeah, I'm having a ball here....NOT!


Well, this is almost totally incorrect. Yes, Toronto is expensive. There is a HUGE mongering scene here. Because it's so big, you really need to research. Strip joints are not like the US unless you go downtown, where they're tourist clip-joints. No one has been arrested under the communication for the purposes of prostitution....EVER. There are lots of super hot women in Toronto. Go to terb.ca & like on this board, read.


El Ornitorrinco,i hope you,re right, from what i read there was a change in the law made by a Mackay-whoever that is to make the law like it here in the USA except Neveda.Also i had great experiences in Toronto relatively inexpensive from backpage $60-100 half hour,the same with Montreal when i lived across the border in NY.But then i heard if that change did happen it will get challenged in the supreme court like the present law last year?


Yeah, they've drafted the law, but it hasn't been passed yet, so the old laws are still in place, meaning it's still not illegal to sell sex for now. There is a lot of opposition to the proposed new law, because it violates the spirit of the rationale the Supreme Court of Canada used in striking down the old laws, specifically that the old laws don't do enough to protect the safety of sex workers. The proposed change would make buying sex illegal, not the selling of it, so that would make it even more dangerous for the ladies, as the guys who wouldn't risk a criminal record will no longer partake or more likely, still to their established regulars. So that would cause sex workers to be left accepting marginal, perhaps more violent clients.

In any case, the Conservative party, who are in power right now (Peter Mackay is the Justice Minister) will likely be out of power shortly. I think I remember reading that there's a petition out there signed by 2000 lawyers based on the new law not being constitutionally sound...once it's challenged, it'll likely collapse if it even gets passed to begin with. Until then, I have regulars who I see & there are lots of well known, established SPs that I haven't, but who I know are reliable based on reviews on terb.

And Montreal will always be Montreal, regardless of the laws they pass. :wink:

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Montreal is great but expensive. Always a catch!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:46 am 
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Zunbake3 wrote:
Montreal is great but expensive. Always a catch!

You are right,had 1 lady for $250 an hour,talked her down to $200.But i also had 1 for $100 a half hour,btw both were off Backpage and it was last year.I doubt if i will partake in Canada anymore since i live in Florida,was in NYC before.Now i go to Columbia and Costa Rica,most ladies in Florida are strung out on drugs,only met 1 that was,nt in 5 months


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:54 am 
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I live in NYC so a drive away from Montreal. However, excluding traveling costs which depends on where you live in the world... You have to factor in. Food is more expensive (unless you want to eat McDonald's). Hotels are more expensive (unless you want to live way out of the city or you stay in a 2 star dump of a hotel). Yes, the service is good and some of the ******* are beautiful. There is one thing that Canada (and Europe) is missing.. and that is economical LT. You want a girl for the night and it will run you $1000-2000! For me it's just not all about the phucking. Drinking, partying.. morning sex. That is part of the package for me. To each is own.. do what makes you happy.. whether that's phucking 2-3 different girls a day or phucking 1 model a week!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:10 am 
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In any case, the Conservative party, who are in power right now (Peter Mackay is the Justice Minister) will likely be out of power shortly. I think I remember reading that there's a petition out there signed by 2000 lawyers based on the new law not being constitutionally sound...once it's challenged, it'll likely collapse if it even gets passed to begin with. Until then, I have regulars who I see & there are lots of well known, established SPs that I haven't, but who I know are reliable based on reviews on terb.

And Montreal will always be Montreal, regardless of the laws they pass. :wink:


I wouldn't count on the Conservatives being out of power anytime soon. God help us all if you are correct as Justin Trudeau is the most likely person who would be PM.

For my American friends reading this, Justin Trudeau is more incompetent and radical than the train wreck Obama (if that is even possible).

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In any case, the Conservative party, who are in power right now (Peter Mackay is the Justice Minister) will likely be out of power shortly. I think I remember reading that there's a petition out there signed by 2000 lawyers based on the new law not being constitutionally sound...once it's challenged, it'll likely collapse if it even gets passed to begin with. Until then, I have regulars who I see & there are lots of well known, established SPs that I haven't, but who I know are reliable based on reviews on terb.

And Montreal will always be Montreal, regardless of the laws they pass. :wink:


I wouldn't count on the Conservatives being out of power anytime soon. God help us all if you are correct as Justin Trudeau is the most likely person who would be PM.

For my American friends reading this, Justin Trudeau is more incompetent and radical than the train wreck Obama (if that is even possible).

Devo


Lol, stranger things have happened my friend. I agree Trudeau would be disastrous. Guy's done nothing but ride on daddy's coattails & he's a complete incompetent. We might be looking at a minority Conservative government, which brings its own challenges.

Regardless, the first time C-36 is challenged, the courts will take it down....it's an utterly ridiculous piece of crap.

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Toronto has one advantage no where else has, the ability to party with Mayor Rob Ford. He looks like he might be a fun guy to monger with.


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JazzboCR wrote:
MrAdventure--It seems you need this article (and everybody here could benefit from it).: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/ ... -your-buck
It seems an appropriate 9K post from me.



WOW that's a lot of info...underlines how the paradigm is always changing...can't wait till we get the internet( the lines have been there 9 mos, maybe 6 mo from now they will get the hardware installed to where I live-big 15 Million $ program to bring internet to rural mountain counties)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:15 am 
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Lennydo wrote:
The economic reality for me is there is NO correlation between the quality of the pu*sy and the price. It would be easier for us rational thinking gringos if there were. It seems to just be more irrational and emotional.


I'm not in that camp, but agree as far as the SERVICE goes MOST of the time no difference but w/ some girls there is a difference-chicas tell me how they treat different customers differently(usually if they don't like a guy for some reason-cheap, boring,negative person,etc.)

There is a BIG difference howeverin the girl's looks, which for me plays a large part( i view every female by "gymn fitness model" standards so a chica w/8# leftover fat, stretched out pus, mussy tits or some other imperfection make a difference for me)

THis is just one of dozens of escort agencies in TO:

http://www.highsocietygirls.ca/#!gallery/chkh

One I really liked, Lexi isn't there at present, but it is only a glimpse. I've been to CR enough to know you aren't going to find girls w/those kind of looks who haven't had any K*ds for $60 @ SL, or any MP.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:20 am 
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JazzboCR wrote:
Mr Adventure's theme song?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQlcDfco_G4 When your other options get bankrupted, Costa Rica and CRT will be here for you.


Trying to guess what it might be, thinking maybe "Baby come back", "Everytime", or "I guess I need you baby" or some other befitting "crow eating music". Not hating on CR, think I probably overindulged to the point of making myself sick of it, it happens...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:02 am 
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Mr Adventure,

I *think* I'm hearing what you are saying. I feel you are bringing up something VERY IMPORTANT to noobs, and to all of us.

It sorta boils down to the old saw: "If you ain't having fun, you ain't doing it right..."

But it goes beyond that. Maybe I could put it this way: "If you ain't having fun, and know know you did it right, check your heart, check your gut, and go in the direction they lead you."

That's it, what started out as fun then became a bore, then a chore, then just plain work...90% of the time in MP's I was trying to hurry up and finish so I could leave and at least 80% of the time "faked it" ran to the bathroom to remove condom, they never know or care. The repeat girls I had a friendship with I liked the best and so this wasn't as big an issue, but still existed...

I hope I got that across properly. My intention is to support what you are saying and I feel that you are saying that, no matter how you try, it just isn't working for you so it's time to seek another venue that makes you happy.

Yes, something just isn't right internally...

I find that I'm constantly evolving in this hobby. Often I ask myself if I was cut out for this (which, I realize is a different question than "where are my best uses of my mongering time and money?"). I ask myself that because a lot of things about this hobby appeal to me, and some things really feel like the wrong 'fit' to me. It's complicated.

Usually when a person has this much internal conflict it's because their actions are not in alignment with one's values and goals. That's what's happening, just thought of myself as a minor league hedonist at best who enjoys short vacations and the company of native girls. I find the term monger=sex tourist=exploitation...just not something I want to be a part of.

I think a flippant "ok, bye" type of response to your post is unjustified, but oh-so-typical of a certain segment of this board.

yeah, haters gotta hate :lol:

Sounds to me like you just have the (wickedly cool?) job of trying new venues and see what really blows your skirt up these days.

yeah, POOR ME :lol: Who ever heard of a guy who has the time, money and health to go anywhere for girls, but for whom it just isn't that big of a deal, almost a "been there done that" thing, but I'm weird like that.
There is a video about achievement that I really like and in it one fellow (an Aikido teacher) says that when you have a "stagnant spell" you are actually growing in your skill set. The "stagnant spell" (I know I'm getting this term incorrect) is a time when you are *INTERNALLY PROCESSING*. It is after this internal growth that you see the uptrend in performance. I am inclined to liken what you are going through to this.

Yes, a plateau, knew early this year needed to up my game, Medellin seemed to be the next logical step...but then it got to where it really wasn't all that fun

I think it is important for each of us to have these spells of re-evaluation, whether they are small scale or really large scale such as you are going through. I imagine a lot of guys can see how your thoughts apply to them on either a smaller or larger scale. They do to me.

Just never know where the road will lead, a lot of guys will come here and discover like I did "This just ain't me, I don't belong here" but I'm glad I did and would recommend anyone come for at least a couple trips. You'll never know till you try, and if nothing else will appreciate what we have in the US even more.
FWIW, if you haven't already, take a look at theeroticreview.com , date-check.com , http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/ .

Think for next 6 mos will just try the locals, once you take out the emotional part, the remaining biological sex drive seems miniscule..TO looks good in the spring, both it and MED require much homework that I can't do now.
I try to learn from the 'good posts' here, and I think yours is a good one.


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Mr Adventure wrote:
... I find the term monger=sex tourist=exploitation...just not something I want to be a part of.

just wanted to comment on this line.

A sex tourist in Toronto can't really be that different than a sex tourist anywhere else. It is important not to K*D ourselves into thinking we are any different from other mongers. Where we do it doesn't change the fact of what we are doing.

My personal mantra: "You're a Bad Dwarf! Now ... go phuck some chic for money!"

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BashfulDwarf wrote:
Mr Adventure wrote:
... I find the term monger=sex tourist=exploitation...just not something I want to be a part of.

just wanted to comment on this line.

A sex tourist in Toronto can't really be that different than a sex tourist anywhere else. It is important not to K*D ourselves into thinking we are any different from other mongers. Where we do it doesn't change the fact of what we are doing.

My personal mantra: "You're a Bad Dwarf! Now ... go phuck some chic for money!"


absolutely true...seems to be a "same problem different zipcode" in a sense...but the spectrum of mongers is very wide, do believe there IS a difference in mongers (i'm on the extreme side of paying them just about what they want provided they did as agreed vs the guy who constantly strives for the "more for less" mindset), can't I just be a regular "john" :?: :?:

The whole thing about CAN is something I stumbled onto, another loc w/equal or better quality everything, for the same or less w/ shorter travel days-gotta check that out, likewise w/locals. I just never even considered it cause of my job, so the more I know the more I realize there is to learn..some thing never change.


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