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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:16 pm 
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Why are prices in Costa Rica so high? Is it the gringo influence? Or is it simply a matter of too much demand and not enough supply?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:45 pm 
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i gotta a question as well and not to sound sarcastic - but - why the Phuck are people so damned sick ,,,¿


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:31 pm 
You guys are talking retail. This is where CR and a lot of other countries get most of their revenue - think tax, think a lot of tax.

It is also about what is priced on the world market and what is not.

If you live in CR, the cost compared to the US is very cheap. Property taxes are nothing like the US, income tax (do they exist, if so, probably way less than US), health care cheaper, Ch*ld care cheaper, labor in every way cheaper. Things like taxes, health care, Ch*ld care, labor are not priced on the world market - metals, food, oil (materials) are priced outside of CR so they are same price in CR plus the tax.

My wife is from the Philippines. Food portions in normal restaurants are very small so buy enough to equal portion served in the US and price is comparable. There is no income tax of any kind and property tax may as well be free. Gov't pull revenue at retail cash registers.

I have a friend who is Brazilian and no way will she buy any clothes when she visits, because with the tax, way more expensive than in the US.

Electronics are way more expensive while less reliable outside the US all because of the tax. Gov't has to get its revenue from somewhere. Even in the US, when a tax has no income tax, that same state will have higher sales and/or property tax or in the case of FL and NV, have huge hotel tax, car rental tax (basically a tourist tax). You choice to live in whatever state benefits your situation the most, if you aren't tied in various ways to where you live.

Jewelry is actually a good buy outside the US. If you are buying gold, say 14K, by weight it costs the same all over the world, but the artistic value will be a lot less outside the US. The art in jewelry can't be priced the same as in the US. If you are buying your girl a ring, earrings, necklace, whatever, buy it outside the US.

Bottom line is that you can't compare cost of living solely on your retailing experience.


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You guys are talking retail. This is where CR and a lot of other countries get most of their revenue - think tax, think a lot of tax.

It is also about what is priced on the world market and what is not.

If you live in CR, the cost compared to the US is very cheap. Property taxes are nothing like the US, income tax (do they exist, if so, probably way less than US), health care cheaper, Ch*ld care cheaper, labor in every way cheaper. Things like taxes, health care, Ch*ld care, labor are not priced on the world market - metals, food, oil (materials) are priced outside of CR so they are same price in CR plus the tax.

My wife is from the Philippines. Food portions in normal restaurants are very small so buy enough to equal portion served in the US and price is comparable. There is no income tax of any kind and property tax may as well be free. Gov't pull revenue at retail cash registers.

I have a friend who is Brazilian and no way will she buy any clothes when she visits, because with the tax, way more expensive than in the US.

Electronics are way more expensive while less reliable outside the US all because of the tax. Gov't has to get its revenue from somewhere. Even in the US, when a tax has no income tax, that same state will have higher sales and/or property tax or in the case of FL and NV, have huge hotel tax, car rental tax (basically a tourist tax). You choice to live in whatever state benefits your situation the most, if you aren't tied in various ways to where you live.

Jewelry is actually a good buy outside the US. If you are buying gold, say 14K, by weight it costs the same all over the world, but the artistic value will be a lot less outside the US. The art in jewelry can't be priced the same as in the US. If you are buying your girl a ring, earrings, necklace, whatever, buy it outside the US.

Bottom line is that you can't compare cost of living solely on your retailing experience.

You are correct. Downtown SJO, if you know where to go (not central market where you're target), big breakfast with coffee $3, Lunch big delicious fish sandwich is $4. My electric bill for a 3 bedroom condo, $14. Property tax $130. Cuban cigars a real value (self serving comment :D ). Good dental care about 40% of US prices. Thick cut delicious pork chops, $2.80/lb.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:28 pm 
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From my view, prices in CR have gone up significantlly over the past 4-5 years. Not only is gasoline priced at approx $6.50 per gallon, but cars, electronics, clothes, liquor, and even chicken/eggs are substantially more expensive than where I live in Florida. Chicken and a doz eggs are more than twice as expensive in Costa Rico than where I live in Florida. Poultry prices are really surprising since it's such a staple of the CR diet. Taxi prices that were low in CR have now increased to equal that of many similar size cities in the US.

Friends who have lived in CR for many years lament the cost increases and with the government planning to make dramatic increases in taxes, it's just not making economic sense to live in CR any more. My friends also say that fuels, liquor, and chicken are controlled by a few of the wealthy families in CR and their greed has more to do with the prices than import duties. They also say that CR govt's control of the dollar to colone value is negatively impacting CR prices by as much as 10%.

Recently while I was in Panama City I compared some prices at a local major grocery store located in the downtown area. Wine that I can buy in Florida for $15, costs $27 in CR and only $8 in Panama. Chicken and doz eggs were much less than even here in Florida. Gasoline was priced similarly to that in Florida - maybe $0.20 per gallon more. pu*sy was the only thing that seemed to be more expensive in Panama than Costa Rica, but not that much more.

A major difference between Panama and Costa Rica is how each treats us gringos who want to work or own a small business. Costa Rica has laws and rules that inhibit gringos doing either one. Panama has their arms open to US citizens to come and work, buy real estate or start a business. In my opinion, Costa Rica has damaged its economy by seeking to protect Tico jobs by prohibiting outsiders from working legally. The result has been suppressed wages for the Ticos (& Nicas) and more wealth for the wealthier families in CR who employ them. We are just now beginning to see this economic impact upon the US economy by our rejecting immigration laws. Just like in Costa Rica where many Nicas work illegally off the record, the Mexicans do the same in the US.

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Interesting take on rising costs in Costa Rica, Lennydo. I would have thought that the influx of gringos and large ex-pat population were driving costs up in the Central Valley. But you have an entirely different perspective on the situation... price manipulation by a handful of wealthy, powerful ticos. I think that is what Greengo has been saying all along. :roll: :wink:


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Nicaragua has not even been mentioned. It is a lot less expensive than CR . I like San Juan Del Sur as a place to go. Food is reasonable. Chicas are not as plentiful as CR but a lot less expensive. Health care is not far away in CR. Might not be a bad option.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:45 pm 
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The red tape for starting a new business is bad for everyone, not just gringos; it's not like there's an institutional effort to Phuck the gringos (outside of the Del Rey at least). There are monopolies or oligopolies in certain industries that drive up prices (chicken, beer are two great examples), and in other cases it's just inefficient markets; slow customs and ports drives up the price of any imported goods. Finally, the wage structure here is intended to try and create a middle class. A maid or security officer here makes twice what they would make in Nicaragua.

Panama is great at some things (buying property, food costs) but hell on earth at others (try operating a business and get back to us). The other odd thing about Panama is that their infrastructure is great in some areas, and incredibly shitty the further you get away from Panama City.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:30 pm 
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DonCarlos wrote:
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Why are prices in Costa Rica so high? Is it the gringo influence? Or is it simply a matter of too much demand and not enough supply?


The economy is too damn good here. The average unemployment rate for a recent college graduate in Costa Rica is less than two percent. It's actually pretty easy to find a job in technology, medical, or accounting. Also, there are now a good deal of younger, educated Ticos that speak at least three languages.

Amazon.com has call center in Heredia, and while the pay may be a bit less than stateside, the private medical insurance is good and even low level managers receive Amazon stock options (add 10k per year). Also, since the employees are not U.S. persons they do not pay taxes on their stock options. If you speak Spanish-Portuguese, then entry level you get paid better than Spanish-English and have more opportunities for advancement.

HP just folded all of its English language technical support last month. Apparently the English language work is cheaper to do in India. However, they held onto their lucrative Spanish language technology services. There is a good deal of growth in IT here in Latin America.

Devaluation is definitely not a problem. Costa Rican Central Bank bought $73.7 million in dollars in January to prop up the dollar. They have been doing this for two years now, trying to keep the colon cheap and keep local prices from going through the ceiling. If the central bank did not meddle, then the U.S. Dollar would be worth alot less.

Total foreign direct investment in Costa Rica last year was $574.5 million. That money comes from multinational companies when they pay their employees and build new facilities, along with investment fund managers who see plenty of up side in Latin America.

I am currently receiving 9 percent annual on my bank CDs in colones. Also, the more the dollar slides in the toilet, then the more that is worth.

As far as the "gringo influence" is concerned, it is here but has NOTHING to do with tourism or retired baby boomers. The gringo influence is the $1 billion microchip fabrication (fab as Intel calls it) plant in Heredia. The economic output of that one fab is responsible for 7 percent of the national GDP. There is also much bio-medical manufacturing going on here as well.

So when my gringo friends say, "business opportunities", it is difficult to keep a straight face as they talk seriously out of their depth. The government isn't giving them any breaks and is throwing tons of red tape at them because they do not really want to encourage more to come. They do want gringo corporations like Intel, Amazon and P&G of course. Just at this stage of the game, there is no reason to invest in Costa Rica unless its a really big project, and has nothing to do with tourism.

In my experience the majority of the U.S. retired types in Costa Rica are some of the most marginalized, least educated and ultimately poorest bunch of folks down here. I mean, you can buy more groceries with your social security check in Alabama then you can get in Heredia. I think some of the guys are making a mistake because they could also get medicare and subsidized housing in the U.S.

Keep in mind when you are playing with party girls down here, you are dealing with the bottom of the barrel socially, parents could not afford to send them to university, single mother types. There is a good deal of inequity, but also much economic growth.

Bottom line, expect prices to go up, ALOT more. Globalization has more in store for Costa Rica.


Very insigtfull... intelligent post. Thanks for the your point of view on this DC.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:36 pm 
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DC...Thanks, for your take on rising prices in CR. I did not realize that the economy of CR was taking off, so what you said fits.
Here in Colombia... the peso has the same problem against the dollar. The dollar keeps falling, and the central bank must prop up the dollar to keep Colombian exports competitive. Colombian labor is still inexpensive... so it can remain competitive with respect to moving its goods and services. Return on CDs down here only range between 4.2% and 5.8% depending upon the deposit and maturity date. What are the tico banks charging interest-wise?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:25 pm 
I work in technology - we have a call center and tech workers in CR. I email, IM and when email and IM doesn't get the job done talk on the phone with tech counterparts in CR on a regular basis. Much of what the tech workers are doing there, however is routine repetitive tech tasks. To do the job, English is a must, because they need to communicate with US and India based employees. I work for a huge bank. As usual, those with an good education can find work where ever they live. My wife is from the Philippines and I've noticed that Filipinos with a good education can find work in the Philippines very easily. It is the uneducated that are out of work in the Philippines and I suspect same applies in CR and many other countries (especially developing countries).

One thing I don't often believe when it is mentioned is the effects of currency meddling. It seems every gringo on Earth no matter the country they live outside the US has sky-is-falling take on the dollar. My belief is that if meddling is constant, it will eventually make no difference. I can understand short term meddling for whatever reason, but to employ it long term would result in a diminishing effect. I mean those that value currency would take the meddling into account and the meddling becomes priced-in eventually.

If meddling were so easy, Argentina's pesos would not be 5 to the dollar right now. 6 years ago it was 3 to the dollar. At some point, currency is valued strictly on a country's growth rate, future outlook and stability and I suspect that if the colon is raising against the dollar it has more to do with these sorts of things rather than meddling. Meddling is trying to fool people basically and that can only be done for so long.

If the Philippines were able to reduce overall corruption 50 percent, the peso would eventually be 20 to the dollar instead of 40. Meddling will never get it to 20. Real change, good and bad, is what changes currency rates in my opinion.


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Another way overpriced thing here in CR is Pizza. This is either good news (if like me,you are overweight and shouldn't be eating it) or paying way too much. The price today in either a good place or a shithole like Pizza Hut (my opinion) runs about $20 on up for a large one.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:20 pm 
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Cell service still cheap. And labor of course. And cigarettes still the cheapest in CA and among the cheapest in Latin America at app $2per. And obviously way cheaper then N America. But, my smoker friends say that the Marlboro's don't taste the same as gringo Marlboro's. Here's a link comparing cig prices. http://www.insidecostarica.com/dailynew ... 040902.htm



They don't mention Colombia which is even cheaper.. 2000 pesos or $1.10 for a local brand!


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The US isnt really that bad ...I mean come on....you can have breakfast at MickyDs or any other franchise for .99 cents ....I do it 2 or 3 times a week....I can have a Mexican Buffet for $7.99 which includes, Caldo de res, menudo,tacos,guiso,carne asada,flautas,echiladas,mole,fideo,camaron,chicken,strips,french fries...etc at "El Patio" and this is all you can eat....the food in CR is high and most gringos say its good....Im of Mexican heritage and I know bad mexican food when I taste it.....YMMV.... I am a picky eater...I drive 250 miles in TEXAS to eat ribeyes at Zetners Daughter in San Angelo....My last trip to CR I ate at a mom and pop sodas and I thought it was expensive.....I ate at the Mercado and got got sicker than shit eating the shrimp maricoso....I was laid up in bed 2 days while my chica ran to the phamacy for Cipro....There are a couple little pizza places in the centro that are cheap but that is what you get....nothing but masa.....
To sum it up the only thing CR has got going for them is the chicas....everything else pretty much sucks....hey but when youre a male what else is there....it is what it is.....


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