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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:57 pm 
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The idiots in the upper echelons of government in the US better stop worrying about foreign terrorists and start worrying about US citizens pissed off about being unemployed due to outsourcing to India.


Well I guess I can relate to this better than most. Some time in the next four to eight months the plant where I work will close and my job will be exported to China. When that time comes I will be 51 years old and will have worked there for 27 years.

I will at least get a shot at some free education because my job is being exported. And I will get a decent severance check that will keep me going for a while. I plan to spent some of that on an extended trip to C.R. where I will spend most of my time out of the gulch and San Jose.

I do a have a decent start on retirement even given the stock market conditions of the last few year. But I can by no means retire now in the US. I might have a shot in Central America.

At any rate, I am probably months away from where GT is now. So maybe I can't really relate and will get much more depressed in the future. I got over being mad pretty fast and moved on to uncertainty. But I will find a job even if I have to take a shitty job with a temp service just to get by. Hang in there GT. Someday this shitty economy will turn around and jobs will be chasing us again. Instead of this crap we have had to put up with the last few year. I have to believe that...

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:18 pm 
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Compassion Rules for everyone!

Even for the burn boy, Oscar, cigar salesman, shoeshine boys and others around San Jose.


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Spoken like a true dickhead. Kick a man while he's down, why don't you.

I am the same age as this guy. During the past 20 years I was "economically terminated" twice. Nothing I did wrong. Just that I was no longer "economically viable" (watch the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas). In any event...I didn't go out an lambast others because of my situation and I didn't go out and get loaded on rum or dope and decide to run away to some obscure location and live in poverty. I got on the f*ckin phone and I pounded the typewrite and I went on with my life and MADE THINGS HAPPEN. 52 is NOT that old. The economy is "relatively" strong...jobs are "relatively" available and there are enough resources out there whereby this guy could get back on his own 2 feet "IF HE WANTED TO". I have NO problem helping those who are trying to help themselves. I've helped bunches of people land jobs and get ahead. I have absolutely NO sympathy for those that simply want to crawl into a hole and want someone else to pull them out and do their dirty work for them. BE A MAN FOR CHRIST's SAKE!!


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Spoken like a true dickhead. Kick a man while he's down, why don't you.

I am the same age as this guy. During the past 20 years I was "economically terminated" twice. Nothing I did wrong. Just that I was no longer "economically viable" (watch the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas). In any event...I didn't go out an lambast others because of my situation and I didn't go out and get loaded on rum or dope and decide to run away to some obscure location and live in poverty. I got on the f*ckin phone and I pounded the typewrite and I went on with my life and MADE THINGS HAPPEN. 52 is NOT that old. The economy is "relatively" strong...jobs are "relatively" available and there are enough resources out there whereby this guy could get back on his own 2 feet "IF HE WANTED TO". I have NO problem helping those who are trying to help themselves. I've helped bunches of people land jobs and get ahead. I have absolutely NO sympathy for those that simply want to crawl into a hole and want someone else to pull them out and do their dirty work for them. BE A MAN FOR CHRIST's SAKE!!


Yeah dont show your emotions! be man! arrrgh! Being sensitive is being weak! arrrgh! Now go and get a beer and get a life!! arrrgh!

Please note sarcasm.

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Gringotim,

Looks like ya got a good case of the F*CK-IT's !!!

Go ahead and let it ALL get lost !!

Sense I have given up ALL hope . I feel much better...

You should be and have every right to be pissed !!!

You sometimes need to let it all out.............

Just please try to remember that ALL things in life are temporary.
Good times and bad times.
This to shall pass......

Our problems that we have today are different than the one's we had yesterday and again are going to be different one's tomorrow.

Things are only as serious as we make them.
Please YELL with me " IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER "

I know it is almost impossible to see things in a positive way when everthing is SHITTY but please try to hang in there and good things will again happen in your life...

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I have no sympathy for people who complain about not finding work and blaming the Gov't. They have to learn to broaden their horizons. There are plenty of good paying jobs out there. I took a job in NY that I'm not happy doing driving trains for the city. Why do I do it? Because I have to! Is it my originally planned career field? No! Do I love living in NYC? No! I do it because it pays extremely well and has great benefits. There are plenty of jobs out there. You just have to look with an open mind. It is not the Gov'ts responsibility to find employment for you. You may think I have no compassion but I am living proof of a person who works hard at a place he doesn't like. If I could do it, so can anybody...... This is Will. The meanest Marine in the Valley!


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Will--You're 110% correct!! It's always easier to find a scapegoat to blame...especially: "The Government"...it's always "The Government's Fault"....Boo....Hoo....Hoo....


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Sure there are pleanty of jobs, the problem is not everyone wants to have a job thats basic requierment is saying "do you want fries with that?"

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the problem is not everyone wants to have a job thats basic requierment is saying "do you want fries with that?"


Absolutely agree with that Coqui, however when you are a middle aged man without a job and no prospects in your career field you do it or take
a job with an inventory service or delivering pizza. In short you do what you have to while you bust your ass finding a real job.

I know....I did them all.... until I climbed back up the rungs of life.

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You wrote: Sure there are pleanty of jobs, the problem is not everyone wants to have a job thats basic requierment is saying "do you want fries with that?"

Those aren't the only jobs available. I used to live in Sunny Florida and had to move to NYC to get a good paying job. Those fast food jobs and Walmart jobs were pretty much what was available to me when I went back to Florida after I finished my obligations with the USMC. Did I succomb to those jobs? No. I took my ass to a big city took a crappy security job paying in the range of 20k a year while I was going to school in hopes of finding employment in the field I wanted. I could not so I looked and looked until I found a job in another field that didn't appeal to me paying 60-80K a year. I don't love my job or where I live but those were the cards that where dealt to me and I'm happy that my willpower to succeed and survive make me who I am.


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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:17 pm 
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Main Entry: com·pas·sion
Pronunciation: k&m-'pa-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French, from Late Latin compassion-, compassio, from compati to sympathize, from Latin com- + pati to bear, suffer -- more at PATIENT
: sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it

WTF...Is there anyone out there than can show this? How about:

Main Entry: broth·er·hood
Pronunciation: 'br&-[th]&r-"hud
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English brotherhede, brotherhod, alteration of brotherrede, from Old English brOthorr[AE]den, from brOthor + r[AE]den condition -- more at KINDRED
1 : the quality or state of being brothers

Shaking my head :roll:

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I understand GT and his situation. About a year ago I lost everything. The friends, the savings, the house. I had been out of work for over 16 months myself. The depression from the rejection letters was the worst part. I interviewed with one company over 6 times and still didn't get the job. Other companies said "No Thanks".
The difference is I still had my famaliy. They did not help me out financially but did support me and gave me a place to live.
If I could I would offer my house for GT to move into until things turn around for him, RENT FREE.
I will help him network and contribute as much support as he needs both professionally and morally.
Currently I am employed at about 1/3 of my previous salary but am employed. The job is no where close to what I enjoy doing.

GT, When you read this PM me and we can arrange to get your resume. I have some friends that are VPs in companies that are in the IT field.
DO NOT GIVE UP Use us on this board for networking. We are your friends even if we have never met and spoken. Do Not wait. PM as many of us here as you feel comfortable with. Inlude me.

What goes on on this board stays on this board. Except when one of us needs help and we should all band together and help. The content of this board will remain on this board no matter what.


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GringoTim...

This too shall pass buddy... It's not unusual to hit bottom atleast once in your adult life... many of us have and discovered that the sun does come up again, even after the darkest night....

Yes I have experienced the tin shack... Had a non working novia who lived in San Sabastian.. floor was dirt covered by throw rugs, 7 people lived in with one bedroom divided by a blanket hanging on a rope strung across the room... the banos...well words can't describe...

GT..I'll be in town 5/31, lets talk over dinner.... PM Me

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I am not in your situation, because I never had the opportunity to self actualize, like you did, in the first place. I am a big proponet OF ABRAHAM MASLOW"S Hierarchy theory...You were able to self actualize with your career, now it is a real downer for you, as according to this psychology, you are back to the basic, no security...down on his scale..

The reason that I bring this up is because of my past. In a nutshell, born with no legs, first case in history, went through 20 operations, am just lucky to even walk, My doctor became famous as a result of my progress, as I always had a SMILE on my face....Was I a happy Ch*ld, as everyone perceived me to be...HELL NO...I WAS PISSED!! WHY ME!!! I ASK THAT QUESTION TO THIS DAY!! In my mind, I was dead meat from the start!!

Well I will skip all the details, but the truth is I never really had a fighting chance in my life, no matter how great my attitude has been. College educated,from a big name business school, yet always underemployed, because of my situation, which in my mind from an early age, I never had the shot at what I should have: I am at the same point as you are now, and the mentality is MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Easier said than done, for sure, but I happen to be in the same boat as you, my friend, it is time to make it happen, Please dont look back on the past, and feel sorry for yourself, hell, If I did thAT, I WOULD HAVE PUT A GUN TO MY HEAD IN 1965. I cannot change my situation, from a physical standpoint...I have to live with it...But I can still change my economic situation, and you can too....AS Jimmy Valvanno said "never ever, ever give up" Pm me if you would like my whole story....then you would really feel like giving up!


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How many mongers have actually seen how many of the chicas live? I'm not talking about the f*cking Colombianas or Nicas, because they really don't count, as they are in a 'foreign' country to begin with. I'm talking about the Ticas. Most of you don't have a f*cking clue as to how many personas live in CR. In two years on this board, I think perhaps a total of two or three people have actually witnessed how they live. Besides myself and Astroglide (?), who else has actually stayed in a chicas abode? Of course Mente knows what I'm talking about. Even the mongers that reside in CR don't have a clue...Vegas Bob (Escazu...yeah, get f*cking real!), Ding Dong, TexasVegas, et. al. I've spent many a night in the hills above Desamparados near Aserri in a tin shack. About a year ago, some members of this board, including an Admin, were trying to tell me how good the roads were in that area. They haven't been where I've been.


A very interesting post, and a good one.

If you will allow me to tell a little story before I deal with Costa Rica, I would like to set the table a bit for my personal views on this subject.

In College at Texas, my Frat, and others, would take trips to Laredo to party and get laid. If you are from Texas, you probably know all about Boys Town, Papagayos, etc. Well, after a fun time, I decided to go back alone and enjoy Nueveo laredo.

I went to the place across from Papagayos, think it was the Monkey bar then, and picked up a beautiful young women. We spent hours making out there, then went to have dinner, got one of the owners to drive us to an ATM to get more cash, then went to the back of one of the bars there to crash for the night, yeah I can be pretty crazy or stupid. So as we start to progress, the girl begins to cry. I speak way to much Spanish at the time, and understand all she is saying. She was from Monterey, and her family didn't know what she was doing here. She needed money and so, took a bus up to sell herself. Even with my raging hormones we spent the night talking, and just snuggling. Now, before you guys jump down my throat about paying and getting nothing understand that I payed her zero for the night. Yea, I paid for dinner, and drinks, etc, but we just spent the night talking and I learned a huge amount. I learned alot about her though.

These are humans we are dealing with. Sure, they can be evil, and self-centered, but they are people non the less.

Not to get off on a tangent I think this is why I got concerned by the posts of one member here that I thought never even set foot in C.R. yet would talk incesently about the girls, and thus in a way degrading them. Hey, I have been to the Del Ray, walked around, I understand it is a buisness by all parties, but I think we need to keep in mind that we lose something if we think of them as meat, and nothing more.

Anyway, my story in C.R. is probably different then most. I went to monger, but in a period of a few hours changed my tune.

I met a beautiful young Tica, and got to spend over a month with her. She was not a working girl, and this whole story took place south of San Jose. I went to dinner with her every night, and got to travel back to her home town and meet her family, and see how they all lived. I got to meet many people, her friends, familly, and saw how they all lived. It is always strange for me to be in my late 20's and treated like royalty simply because I have white skin and blue eyes. I remember one event so distinctly, I was leaving a marina in Golfito, and an elderly Tico walked passed me, and said "Buenos dias Senor." and tilted his hat to me. I remember thinking, how weird this is that a guy in his 60's is calling me "sir", and since he never met and it was only do to my race.

When we traveled around, I also got a strange feeling that I was the trophy, not her. I was the one all the Ticas looked at, envious of her. She was going to good places with a white guy, I bet alot of you guys know what I am speaking about if you take a Tica to a resturant or shopping. The other Ticas look on so enviously as you can spend a few hundred bucks at some clothes store.

Well, anyway, I had a huge amount of fun, and got to learn a great deal about how the average Tica lives, and as a whole it isn't pretty.

I'm not sure what the point over all of this post was, maybe nothing, but I would just like to thank GringoTim for having the guts to post a very honest assesment of his fellows in C.R.


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