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Phoenix, that's so awesome, especially that last paragraph. I'm still kinda new to all of this so this type of stuff is like sitting in a class and learning something that you really care about. I haven't been RFM'd yet as I just got back from my first trip. However, I going back down in the Fall and I can't wait to get one of these so I too can say, "No."

One thing that I think is missing on this board is the philosophy behind P4P. I'm dying to know what makes a girl decide to get in this lifestyle considering there are so many Ticas in the same dire economic situation that do NOT get involved in this lifestyle. Is it pride? Lack of self-esteem?

I've always wondered do they think all of us are stupid gringos? I admit it kinda irritates me that they think so less of us after taking our money. I get the impression that they actually hate us on the inside. They despise what they do for a living and they take it out on us. I have come to believe this because I was outside of the SL one night smoking a cigar. Several chicas were outside smoking cigarettes and the look on their faces was something I recognized from my manual labor days. That look of "Anywhere but here" or "I've got to get out of this line of work." It's a job to them. I get that. It's just that one would hope that they would enjoy their job enough to where they would look forward to making a decent sum of money and being content with that rather than hitting us up for RFM's or other hustles. I respect them and the service they provide. I just wish that respect was returned in kind.

I admit this may appear to be naive to some.

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Yo, I'm off on a Jett/relaxed to the monger set/
Got the chica pro-flo headed out the doe/
Got cien dollar bills-n-bags for my Del Rey shags/
Scoping out Tica heels wit the flaca feels/
No novia para me cause its extra fee, not "free"/
Gonna get a Pura Vida meeta not a gringa skeeza/
Dis is how it goes wit hoes in Santa Joe's/
No need for the true player/just a true payer
Ya dig?

You can't really fault the chicas for RFM's, given what they have to do and what they have to sweat under...

Its all part of the game fella's, don't get upset and don't feel disrespected if one of the chica's sends you a RFM.... For some of them they are lucky to have 2 guy's pick them in a month, and there is a chance you could have been 1 of the 2.. Now don't get me wrong some of the chica's are straight up con artist, but you have some who really need the help when they hit you up. (doesn't mean to send money)So don't feel any certain way, if you like her just tell her you will take care of her on your next visit...

I hear ya Nick, but the thing is that I have never seen the attraction to the girls that NEED help. Just me, but if they NEED help there is a reason. Not judging, just am not attracted to the ones that live in poverty and have sad stories. Everybody has their own thing, but when I play I don't want to hear about the drudgery of Babi*s and sick mommas and lost cell phones and the such. That would be too much like having a girlfriend.

Dunno, but I've always figured that the initial incentive is having a K*D or two courtesy of some loser boyfriend as a teenager - my first-trip wingman and I always joke about it taking that first one to get into the business, but they gotta have two in order to get into the union. Then throw in the fact that they did get knocked up a couple times and you can probably assume they're not exactly good Catholic girls. And once they have that baggage it's probably tough to find a man to help pay for it, so there's less of an issue in dealing with the puta tag. And it's legal and an established way of life down there, which probably makes it easier than getting into it up here. So there's a big chunk of the population.

While we have never really talked about it, mi favorita got into the game after having her second, and she just turned two. Her amiga mejor is 19 and they've been friends since they were K*ds, and so I assume she got into it at the same time or later. I met an older sister (real one, I believe, although only half) last time down while having dinner at Del Mar, and she was work in KL/DR. So it's family and friends in that case, and she also hangs socially with other chicas and their Babi*s, so there's a whole world around it.



Well, there's part of the daily challenge, right? I mean, it's not always enough to just have a go with these girls, one tends to want to make some connection, develop an understanding, something, and make one of these chicas actually like you, despite all that stuff. I'm not talking about love or anything, rather just glad to see you're in town, and not just because of the dinero in your pocket. Of course, being able to hablo has got to be a huge advantage there.



Thanks, 3W, there's an image I really didn't need in my head...



That's why they call it GFE, I guess. It seems likely in most cases that this stuff kind of surfaces over time, once there's a comfort zone and she feels like a beachhead is fully established. These girls all have their bad days, and I just can't see myself say, "Yeah, yeah, now let's get back to how sexy and wonderful I am!". There's a point where anyone is going to start wondering why they laid out the cash for a plane ticket and more for the 60 minutes, of course, coulda got that at home. But I don't mind a dash of reality in my soup...

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Hispanic bombs, on to Costa Rica
I'm flyin' in on a DC-10 tonight
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon
Hispanic bombs shatter the hotels
My senorita's rose was nipped in the bud
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon...

House 56, you might be misunderstanding me.

I'm not talking about treating the girls like shit. But it has been my experiance that when you start buying them stuff, take them to Manuel Antonio, treating them like a novia etc... they start coping attitudes, the drama starts, taking you for granted etc... THAT'S when the RFM's usually start!

Again YMMV and all girls are not the same but this is pretty much the rule IMO.

I generally treat the girls VERY well and am no cheapskate but was called that by a previous favorite because she thought that somehow she deserved more! Thats when she got the "hasta nunca". But watch, when I come down next month she will roll up on me like nothing happened and act like she is still my favorite. Why....$$$$!

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as my father says "better to be lucky than good"

Understood, BP, and this all is a dynamic that I find intriguing and probably will be testing soon. I've treated my favorite very well so far, I think, given her some jewelry, taken her out for nice dinners, stuff like that, and really the only think that's changed in the dynamics is it's more romantic than it was initially; she always wears the stuff I've given her when we get together, which at least shows she's thinking. The only contrary matter of note has been the RFM, and I do think there's some legitimacy behind that - she's currently banned from the SL apparently because of money owed someone, and I know she'd like to be back working there. And I can't blame her for doing that, nor has it been a big deal. Frankly, it seemed like the bigger deal was when she thought I was seeing someone else up here! (Which may have just been play - my weak-titty Spanish leaves me at a disadvantage sometimes.)

I did invite her to go down to Jaco with me on my next trip, and that will be interesting if that happens. For one thing, we're going to have to talk about "salary" on that, and we've never really discussed money before. I figure if she's making more than she would in SJO and I'm covering all the costs, including any babysitting involved, and I'm not telling her what she can do and when she can do it while we're there (other than picking up added income, which would be an irritation, and I can't even imagine she'd try doing that), then she should be happy. But maybe that's unrealistic, maybe she'll view it as 24-hour service and want big bucks, and that relative to the healthy compensation I've given her so far, then it isn't going to happen, I'll go down alone and play the field - and save a lot of money in the process.

Then what would be interesting is what happens when I get back to SJO. I have a hard time getting my head around why these chicas would mess up a good thing because a guy refuses to make it even better for them. So unprofessional. But maybe I underestimate the emotional side of this business to them, how they might fool themselves a bit when things go beyond the the usual slam, bam, thank you, ma'am stuff, or how their egos might get caught up in it. I mean, I guess it happens to guys, but I'd have thought that's because they're rank amateurs getting into the ring with cagey veteran pros...

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Hispanic bombs, on to Costa Rica
I'm flyin' in on a DC-10 tonight
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon
Hispanic bombs shatter the hotels
My senorita's rose was nipped in the bud
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon...

This is EXACTLY what happened to me when I took the favorite to Manual Antonio. I had always been very generous (bought drinks meals for not only her but her sister and sometimes friends). Paid for everything on the trip and I mean everything. took her on a sunset cruise. she made more money than she would have made in that time in SJ without having any expenses. even bought her some earings.

Get back to the states and she e-mails me that I should have given her more money (veiled RFM). I reply with an itemized expense list which included the cash I gave her.

Guess what her response was???? She gets all pissy and states she didn't want to go to the beach/dinner/out drinking and dancing. She didn't want those pearl earings. She didn't want to take that sunset cruise (on a humerous note she has those cruise photos posted on her facebook page yet she didn't want to go??!! She had a good time as we went with another couple and the other girl was one of her amigas). That was YOU who wanted to do all that she said!

In the end I apologized (read sarcasm) for taking her on vacation, treating her decent and told that I was not aware that the girls in SJ went on holiday to the beach so much then I sent her a two word e-mail "hasta nunca!"

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as my father says "better to be lucky than good"

You explained, don't do it! Don't ever explain why you do something to the chicas. It is like taking the time to explain things to a Ch*ld. Just tell them that is the way it is and if they ask why, because I said so. And nip any behavior you don't like in the bud. Lot's of guys are just so happy to be there that they will avoid conflict in the beginning. If you bend to her will ONE time, you have lost the edge with this one and might as well move on.

Oh, shit, I'm getting a bad feelin' on this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKpN486U2ao

Seems like I'm walking a well-worm path here, and I don't much care for where it appears to be headed! That's kinda crazy how similar your deal sounds. I figure I have to deal with the money issue before the matter gets decided, so there are no surprises, coming from either side. Of course even then there are no guarantees. because afterward I could get something like, "I agreed to that because I really wanted to go with you, but girls get a lot more than that, and you know I really need the money", or whatever. The problem with this sort of GFE is that it's fundamentally based on a deception, acting on the part of the chica, creating a special sort of fantasy. And this one is really good at that, sooo very sweet to me, to the point that I almost believe it (I said almost - even if I did believe it I wouldn't let myself act on that, because you have to apply reason to the situation and see what that concludes). So you have to figure the wheels will inevitably come off, especially since I am basically not a relationship guy - never married, never considered it seriously, longest relationship of my life and by some margin was with a married woman. So fully committed to a fear of commitment, as the ladies might put it...

So I'm prepared for things to go sideways, and what better place to have that happen? "Oh. my God, she's left me and isn't coming back - what do I do, what do I do??? Maybe I'll head up to the Sportmens in a few minutes and see what's hanging around the bar..." And I have a stretch goal for this trip that I've been mulling on for the last week or so - maybe I could play it in such a way that she invites her amiga mejor (Marisa, I think) to come along (my room at Morgan's Cove has two beds), and maybe their pal Melissa also, and I'd have 3/4ths of the official HLH Spinner Patrol staying with me at la playa for a few days, who knows where that might lead...

Hey, they're small so you need to down a few. And I might as well try to go out in a blaze of glory. Not that I want to go out at all, mind you...

Anyway, speaking of the HLH, I see you're arriving on the the 4th - I return from Jaco and check in there on the 5th. So we'll have to compare notes over beers or bloodies...

Dislocate your spine if you don't sign she says
I'll have you seeing double
Mesmerize you when she's tongue-tied
Simply with those eyes
Synchronize your minds and see
The beast within her rise

Flick of her wrist and you're dead baby
Blows you a kiss and you're mad
Flick of her wrist - she'll eat your heart out
A dig in the ribs and then a kick in the head
She's taken an arm and taken a leg
All this time, money - maybe you've been had

Intoxicate your brain with what I'm saying
If not you'll lie in shit-deep trouble
Prostitute yourself she says
Castrate your human pride
Sacrifice your leisure days
Let me squeeze you till you've dried

Work my fingers to my bones
I scream with pain
I still make no impression
Seduce you with her money-maker
She'll cross-collateralize, (big-time money, honey)
Reduce you to a leche-faker
And then the last goodbye...

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Hispanic bombs, on to Costa Rica
I'm flyin' in on a DC-10 tonight
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon
Hispanic bombs shatter the hotels
My senorita's rose was nipped in the bud
Hispanic bombs, yo te quiero infinito
Yo te quiero, oh mi corazon...

Most failsafe method for avoiding all RFMs... don't repeat! Pay her... let her scribble her number or email on a slip of paper if she likes, don't give her yours. When you see her again say hola, como estas kiss her on the cheek and keep moving... and look! no RFM !!

Guys find a chic that rocks their world and think they have to hold on to her. Think she's special. But once you do that second session ... and most times its even better than the first... you are phucked... she sees you are sweet on her panocha and she sorts you out into the next level... potential ATM machine... !

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Why settle for just one woman when you can enjoy them all?

Pheonix is correct, the worst thing you can do is give the chica's the impression your looking for a girlfriend or worst a wife. remember guys we don't want to love them, we just want to unbutton there blouse and let there girls out and Phuck them, that simple, not hard to master.

That's a sweet sentiment but they aren't looking for boyfriends either..well, just the money part


Nick I know you've been around the world being former military but rfm's (are) disrespectful..it's not part of the culture...er, maybe the puta culture..

Understand if a chica even cared an ounce of what you thought, she simply would never send one. Instead, she would send it to a monger

And getting rfm'd by ANY chica you've know for less than a year is a DEAD giveaway she don't give a #2....


This board fosters a lot of false pretenses..that's why when I first joined this site I was hell bent on being known as the guy who harps on guys to learn spanish...otherwise you (i.e. all mongers) just don’t know... not bad theory's...but not the reality..

No subject is justified more on this board then this subject (or paying cien) because both cast the monger in a negative light...



Cujo

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"Pain is the fuel that fans the flames of my pyre. A battle plan is only as good as the general carrying it out on the field. This is my war son, and I have the biggest bombs and the smallest conscience"...

Cujo,

I didn't say the girls are looking for boyfriends, I said some of our CRT brothers go down looking for girlfriends and wive's and that sets the table for them to think that all of us are suckers.. Like I said i just want to unbutton there blouse and let the girls out, and Phuck them... 4 F
find, fool, Phuck, and forget.

Gotcha, yea, if a chica knows you need her more then she does you, er done..



Cujo

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"Pain is the fuel that fans the flames of my pyre. A battle plan is only as good as the general carrying it out on the field. This is my war son, and I have the biggest bombs and the smallest conscience"...