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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:01 am 
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If LSU is as good as their fans tell us they should be giving Alabama 7 points. The line favors Alabama to win if they are spotting LSU points. Are you saying LSU guys are afraid to bet unless they get point advantage.


So the Alabama fans aren't saying anything, right ? :roll:

What I'm saying is that the BOOKIES, who SET the line, are incredibly talented at determining what the point spread should be so they get EQUAL $$$ on BOTH teams. The opening line SELDOM moves much right up until game time.

Bookies are not gamblers. They are "brokers" who make a commission on every transaction. :wink:



I hope you do not think I am trying to be a pain in the ass here, but that is not true anymore.

Back when gambling did not have the internet, most bookies tried to have even action on both sides and make money on the vig. Nowadays, getting even action on every game or even one game is virtually impossible without making yourself vulerable to the "intelligent" gambler. Now you have to win some games.....which sucks and makes the booky business a lot harder than it used to be. Back when people called their local guy who was sitting in a basement with the door barred shut it was much easier to get even action by moving your line. Now the old guys who used to make all the money have become obsolete. Computers and the internet changed everything....Now you have to rely on the fact that the average Joe knows dick about betting. Just my two cents......


Sorry but I don't understand your explanation. I don't see how the internet makes ANY difference at all except EXPAND the number of people who can/will gamble.

Everything else is the same; as you say they make their money on the "vig".

$1M on both sides means they win, errrrrr, make that "make" $100K.

Visualize a pyramid. Every time a lower level has an "imbalance" on one side they "lay off" the excess one level higher so they guarantee their 10%.

The question, the one I never really understood nor investigated is, how does the ONE guy/entity AT the top, handle any imbalance ?

Maybe Boyd or Gary can explain ? Or maybe you can (again) ?

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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly......... :D

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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly......... :D

So you're RICH then ? Who knew ?

And you're in the biz ? I would have thought you could have explained everything a bit more clearly,,,,, but whatever,,,,,

Boyd ?

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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly......... :D

So you're RICH then ? Who knew ?

And you're in the biz ? I would have thought you could have explained everything a bit more clearly,,,,, but whatever,,,,,

Boyd ?

Gary ?

Thoughts ?



Rich?????? Never was really rich, but was very well off, but not anymore due to some circumstances that had nothing to do with me winning or losing at gambling.......So that holds no weight in this thread......

Maybe you should PM Boyd or Gary about this since you keep referring to them in this post.......I am sure they can confirm my knowledge......

But if you feel like a big man explaining to me and everyone else how much you don't know about booking or gambling feel free.... this is a forum for people to express their opinions......

I tried my best to not insult you since you seem to be so sensitive when anyone questions your opinion or has anything to say that differs from your opinion......Do yourself a favor this time.....Just agree that you don't really know anything about this subject and learn something if you are not too hard headed to actually listen to someone else for once.....

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Rich?????? Never was really rich, but was very well off, but not anymore due to some circumstances that had nothing to do with me winning or losing at gambling.......So that holds no weight in this thread......


"Rich" was a fair assumption given how easy you described "beating the game" as. Sorry your "investments" didn't work out for you even though you apparently had too many eggs in one basket.

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Maybe you should PM Boyd or Gary about this since you keep referring to them in this post.......I am sure they can confirm my knowledge......


Confirm WHAT knowledge ? Your post is as clear as mud. THAT is why I was hoping THEY would participate. :roll:

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But if you feel like a big man explaining to me and everyone else how much you don't know about booking or gambling feel free.... this is a forum for people to express their opinions......


I know what I know. Perhaps more importantly I know what I DON'T know. In case you haven't figured it out yet my ASKING for more explanation is an ADMITTANCE to what I do NOT know - you know, as opposed to someone like yourself who obviously knows everything about everything. :mrgreen:

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I tried my best to not insult you since you seem to be so sensitive when anyone questions your opinion or has anything to say that differs from your opinion......Do yourself a favor this time.....Just agree that you don't really know anything about this subject and learn something if you are not too hard headed to actually listen to someone else for once.....

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Pretty funny actually. You tell me here I am being too hardheaded to listen to someone else while Im here ASKING for an explanation from someone who KNOWS. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: You just can't make this shit up !!! :roll:

So you tried your best (and failed) to not insult me ? :roll: Oh well.

That's OK. It doesn't make you a bad person.

But insulting me and then signing off "Respectfully" ? :?:

Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ??? :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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How would have Boise State compared to either team that played last night. Washington-Baylor game.


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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly......... :D

So you're RICH then ? Who knew ?

And you're in the biz ? I would have thought you could have explained everything a bit more clearly,,,,, but whatever,,,,,

Boyd ?

Gary ?

Thoughts ?



So there was no insult of my post here? Yes I am in the business...No I am not rich, and what else do I need to explain? Were you clear on what you wanted to know? No......you were not. You made a statement about bookies that was absolutely not correct. So I tried to answer fairly and clearly to what you had posted before......Your arrogance stinks like your cologne that you wear for the girls.......If you leave your attitude behind and try to stop reading into my posts like you think they are a personal attack against you we might get somewhere here.

If you want me to explain something and be more specific and if can leave the sarcasm and the rest of your BS behind. As a gentleman I would be glad to explain anything pertaining to this business....I would even explain how I made my money before......Because with the right bankroll anyone could do this with the right work ethic.....And I have always told people I would be glad to teach anyone..... But you would have to ask for my references to make sure I am who I say I am......

Now if you wanna pick this post apart feel free.......But I openly made an offer to explain anything you may want to know about gambling and or bookmaking...... Ball is in your court......What matters is what you do with it now......Are you willing to prove you are interested in this and back up what you said or would you rather just keep up your bullshit attacks to feel cool from afar?????


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How would have Boise State compared to either team that played last night. Washington-Baylor game.



Well, I think that if Boise St and Baylor played that Boise would be about -3 and the total around 71-72. If Boise played Washington I think the line would be around Boise -13 or -14 and the total would be around 63-65.

After saying that, I think that they Boise St. vs. Baylor game would have been a shootout...... The type of game people who are not real fans of the game would love. But it would be close. As for Washington, I am not sure how their offense would play against Boise. As we saw last night they can put up points, but I am not sure how they match up.

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Dr.Mario wrote:
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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly......... :D

So you're RICH then ? Who knew ?

And you're in the biz ? I would have thought you could have explained everything a bit more clearly,,,,, but whatever,,,,,

Boyd ?

Gary ?

Thoughts ?



So there was no insult of my post here? Yes I am in the business...No I am not rich, and what else do I need to explain? Were you clear on what you wanted to know? No......you were not. You made a statement about bookies that was absolutely not correct. So I tried to answer fairly and clearly to what you had posted before......Your arrogance stinks like your cologne that you wear for the girls.......If you leave your attitude behind and try to stop reading into my posts like you think they are a personal attack against you we might get somewhere here.

If you want me to explain something and be more specific and if can leave the sarcasm and the rest of your BS behind. As a gentleman I would be glad to explain anything pertaining to this business....I would even explain how I made my money before......Because with the right bankroll anyone could do this with the right work ethic.....And I have always told people I would be glad to teach anyone..... But you would have to ask for my references to make sure I am who I say I am......

Now if you wanna pick this post apart feel free.......But I openly made an offer to explain anything you may want to know about gambling and or bookmaking...... Ball is in your court......What matters is what you do with it now......Are you willing to prove you are interested in this and back up what you said or would you rather just keep up your bullshit attacks to feel cool from afar?????


You are so very vague,,,,, and all over the place. But I shall TRY to clear this up.

Yes, you offered to explain and yet, all this time, you haven't "explained" anything.

And, of course, you don't have to explain anything, least of all why you're not rich, (and BTW, you're doing a GREAT job of it (not explaining that is :mrgreen: )), but most people *I* know, including myself of course, if confronted with an "EASY" way to make $$$ WOULD be rich.

YOUR words - "Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century."

Anyway, firstly, exactly what was "insulting" from the post of mine YOU quoted ? The fact that I thought you could have explained more clearly ? THAT is "insulting" ? :roll:

Well, HERE is why I said that. To MY post suggesting the bookies worked more or less as a broker, YOU posted "Back when gambling did not have the internet, most bookies tried to have even action on both sides and make money on the vig. Nowadays, getting even action on every game or even one game is virtually impossible without making yourself vulerable to the "intelligent" gambler. Now you have to win some games.....which sucks and makes the booky business a lot harder than it used to be.

Back when people called their local guy who was sitting in a basement with the door barred shut it was much easier to get even action by moving your line. Now the old guys who used to make all the money have become obsolete. Computers and the internet changed everything....Now you have to rely on the fact that the average Joe knows dick about betting. "


Now take another shot at explaining it. Or not. HOW did the internet "change everything" ? WHY was it "easier back then" to get even action by moving their line ? WHY can't bookies now make their commission by laying off excess bets to a "higher up" in the food chain ? NONE of these things did you answer expect for vaguely saying,,,,,, well,,,, blah, blah, blah.

Secondly, MORE vagueness. WHAT statement did I make about bookies that was totally incorrect ?

Thirdly, MY "arrogance" ? :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Fourthly, what exactly do I need to "back up" ? Where did I make any "factual" statements that contradict YOURS ? I gave an explanation of MY understanding of how the lines were made and WHY they're made the way they are and how the books make their $$$.

And in your first post quoted HERE you again repeat the same statements, which I HIGHLIGHTED and you STILL didn't answer. "It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century", "we make money on the ignorance of the general public", blah, blah, blah. Just lots of noise without ANY clear explanation(s).

And you explained what again ??? Oh, right. It's harder now with the computers. :roll:

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What are the odds on who will win this argument? :lol: :lol: :lol:


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I know Admin 1 we are not supposed to call people Douchebags...but this Spock dude is a Douchebag...go back to the Enterprise.

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Like I said, If you wanna keep being a douchebag, (sorry admin 1) Keep it up. I offered to explain anything you wanted on to know as a normal person, talking about something that could benefit you or not.......I did explain how computers and the internet made it easier for the gambler to to win versus the house. It did make gambling more available as well, but that has nothing to with what I said. More available information via the internet gave the gamblers a better chance against the house.... I guess that is lost on you...... Keep up your bullshit.....You will keep being an ignorant douche because you are not even willing to take an offer from someone to explain anything to you. I even said it nicely. But if ya wanna go there like ya keep doin, look me up when you get down here. Maybe you won't be such a coward and you might try to learn something from those who know.... But I forgot, you know everything.......Again, my offer is still out there. I am sorry you won't take advantage of it. Instead of trying to learn, you have to live through your tough guy posts....... Happy New Year wherever you are..... I will be at the SL chillin.......


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Like I said, If you wanna keep being a douchebag, (sorry admin 1) Keep it up. I offered to explain anything you wanted on to know as a normal person, talking about something that could benefit you or not.......I did explain how computers and the internet made it easier for the gambler to to win versus the house. It did make gambling more available as well, but that has nothing to with what I said. More available information via the internet gave the gamblers a better chance against the house.... I guess that is lost on you...... Keep up your bullshit.....You will keep being an ignorant douche because you are not even willing to take an offer from someone to explain anything to you. I even said it nicely. But if ya wanna go there like ya keep doin, look me up when you get down here. Maybe you won't be such a coward and you might try to learn something from those who know.... But I forgot, you know everything.......Again, my offer is still out there. I am sorry you won't take advantage of it. Instead of trying to learn, you have to live through your tough guy posts....... Happy New Year wherever you are..... I will be at the SL chillin.......


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Yea well I didn't get it either. So you really got my curiosity up. So Dr could you explain it maybe in gambler newbie terms. When it was easy back in the day what exactly gave the gambler the edge where he could daytrade his way to riches. Could you give us an example how this was exploited. I am really interested. 8)


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I would be glad to. Let me think about the way to word thing and I will post an explanation that I think will be easily understood by even the most novice gamblers.


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Sorry to interrupt the thread phuck :roll: … back to Boise State.

They will open their 2012 season in East Lansing, MI against Michigan State (who lost the B1G TEN conference championship game and then beat Georgia in the Outback Bowl)… should be a good game, Boise does well when they can spend months preparing for one team. The rest of Boise’s schedule is a joke…

Boise will not dominate the Big (L)east. Just as mentioned before, a grueling conference schedule will beat them up, and they will find playing on the road against large hostile crowds regularly (as opposed to once or twice a year) will also be new to them.
Let’s all remember how Penn State was supposed to dominate the B1G TEN when they joined… same things said this past year about Nebraska.

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