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So, you're saying that one team having played a harder schedule and beaten more quality opponents being ignored for a title game because they are in the wrong conference isn't controversial? Yeah OK State lost at home to an unranked team, but it was in double overtime, a few days after a tragedy for the school. It is funny how just a few years ago LSU losing at home TWICE to unranked teams didn't seem to stop them from getting a title shot over USC, Oklahoma, and West Virginia. The fact is the BCS favors the SEC because ESPN favors the SEC (a billion dollar plus contract assures that).

Florida State may have been shunned in 92 by SEC but I am sure it was about the money. Now let me throw a little fuel on the fire LSU versus Alabama. For all you people thinking Alabama is undeserving of a rematch . The absurdity of LSU's number one ranking. Alabama is favored in the National Championship Game in LSU's quote "their house" . Should not the favored team be ranked number one. Yes Bama lost previously, big deal ,so why is the second best team favored? LSU fans must be shaking in their shoes because they know they squeaked by the last time and know Alabama outplayed them. I do not look for Alabama to make coaching errors like last meeting. Guess the odds makers feel the same way. I am the first to admit kicking is part of the game, But do not expect Alabama to kick much they will be scoring touchdown's in your house Tiger fans.

The line is made so that there will be equal money bet on BOTH sides of the game.

The line has nothing to do with who is the "better", or higher ranked, team.

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If LSU is as good as their fans tell us they should be giving Alabama 7 points. The line favors Alabama to win if they are spotting LSU points. Are you saying LSU guys are afraid to bet unless they get point advantage.

Sprry but this kinda laughable...


I am as big a fan of Kellen Moore and his 50 wins as anyone, but lets take a hard look at his schedule the last 3 years before stating they got screwed out of anything...

2009.. Yes, they went undefeated, best team on the schedule.. a 10-3 Oregon team that lost to Ohio State in a bowl game

2010.. Regular season loss to annual powerhouse Nevada

2011.. Regular season loss to another powerhouse in TCU

End of the conversation for BCS considerations....

Very interested to see how they do against some BIg East REAL football teams....

Boise State's 4 year run:

A 50-3 record
Lost by a total of 5 points in those 3 loses (The kicker blew 2 of those 3 loses)
6-0 against BCS conference schools
2008: Beat #17 Oregon
2009: Beat #16 Oregon
2010: Beat #6 Virginia Tech & #24 Oregon State
2011: Beat #19 Georgia & Arizona State

Right now, the SEC is the best conference, but everyone can't play in the SEC to prove themselves. Boise State didn't have any control over their schedule. Boise State had to play the weak teams in their conference and tried to play a tough non-conference schedule. They threw out an open challenge, but none of the big schools took them up on their offer. At least this year, Georgia accepted the challenge. Boise State didn't have any problem taking care of the SEC East champions.

Agreed, once a fan or alumni starts talking like that (over the top obvious cheering) its hard to even continue a discussion. Funny, this happens in monger discussions to other threads as well.
It's like the fat boi Rex Ryan brainwashing everbody associated with the Jets that they will be relavant some day..er, I mean SB champs

Boise simply doesn't have the athletes the other schools have....They are the best team of 2nd tier teams out there...beyond that *yawn*...nah..


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The new SEC schedule has been released,again Georgia has the weakest schedule and probably be SEC East champion . The SEC East is a good conference and would compare well with any in the Nation . The football powerhouses are located in the western Side of the SEC. Georgia has not really been a factor in the SEC since Herschel Walker. LSU and Alabama at this point in time are so talented , no other team can stay on the field with them. It will not always be this way but it is for now. Recruiting all four and five star players every year has helped these programs. I sort of compare them to the NY Yankees in baseball. They should win because the talent level they possess is greater than the other teams. That is why the Yankees have won so many world series. As long as Nick Saban and Les Miles are coaching the SEC is going to be a powerhouse. The only suggestion I would make for other conferences is recruit for the best defensive players and stack their teams with the most four and five star defensive players they can find. Defense is the deciding factor to winning a National Championship. Scoring lots of points is appealing to the fans but the secret is for your team to score lots of points and not letting the other team score at all. Now that the secret is out ,I guess the SEC should be on the lookout for Boise State.

Florida had tried to block FSU previous to 1990, but Florida doesn't control the SEC, and that was before the Big Ten added Penn State. It was 1990 when the SEC was expanding and the FSU AD at the time Bob Goin objected to having to play Florida, Alabama and Auburn every year. Around the same time Bobby Bowden said, “I like to win games, and I can’t think of a tougher place to do that than the SEC....Most conferences have got two really strong programs, but top to bottom there isn’t one close to the SEC....When you started looking at it from a financial perspective and what’s best for us, I felt pretty sure what we should do is go ahead and join the ACC. … Bob [Goin] had it laid out pretty good. I’ll be honest with you, it was a no-brainer." And later the chairman of FSU’s board of trustees Andy Haggard said, "Bobby was totally SEC when it started. As Bobby’s thinking changed, our thinking changed. It ended up unanimous ACC."

The original six schools that the SEC looked at were: Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State, Miami, South Carolina and Arkansas. They were chosen both to stay ahead of other conferences in their region and to make a more attractive geographic footprint for future sponsors. The Texas schools were threatened politically if they left for the SEC. Arkansas jumped at the chance to upgrade from the SWC. The SEC still wanted one more team so they could have a conference championship game. Miami chose the Big East leaving that powerhouse of a program South Carolina (who recently beat the ACC Champions Clemson 34-13).

So the Alabama fans aren't saying anything, right ?

What I'm saying is that the BOOKIES, who SET the line, are incredibly talented at determining what the point spread should be so they get EQUAL $$$ on BOTH teams. The opening line SELDOM moves much right up until game time.

Bookies are not gamblers. They are "brokers" who make a commission on every transaction.

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I hope you do not think I am trying to be a pain in the ass here, but that is not true anymore.

Back when gambling did not have the internet, most bookies tried to have even action on both sides and make money on the vig. Nowadays, getting even action on every game or even one game is virtually impossible without making yourself vulerable to the "intelligent" gambler. Now you have to win some games.....which sucks and makes the booky business a lot harder than it used to be. Back when people called their local guy who was sitting in a basement with the door barred shut it was much easier to get even action by moving your line. Now the old guys who used to make all the money have become obsolete. Computers and the internet changed everything....Now you have to rely on the fact that the average Joe knows dick about betting. Just my two cents......


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That is very true. That is why you rarely see much movement from the opening line.

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Sorry but I don't understand your explanation. I don't see how the internet makes ANY difference at all except EXPAND the number of people who can/will gamble.

Everything else is the same; as you say they make their money on the "vig".

$1M on both sides means they win, errrrrr, make that "make" $100K.

Visualize a pyramid. Every time a lower level has an "imbalance" on one side they "lay off" the excess one level higher so they guarantee their 10%.

The question, the one I never really understood nor investigated is, how does the ONE guy/entity AT the top, handle any imbalance ?

Maybe Boyd or Gary can explain ? Or maybe you can (again) ?

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Ok,

In a perfect world, A bookie would get $1million on both sides of every game without the spread moving at all. That would give them $100k on each game. Back in the day, not really too long ago, the local bookies would move their line based on amount of money that was bet........Sometimes moving their line several points one way or the other. While other bookies may move their line several points the other way creating a middle.

Now, when the internet came out and Sportsbooks started posting their lines it became very easy to middle and scalp and basically day trade your way into wealth.......It was way too easy back in the mid 90's all the way through the turn of the century. Plus the internet gave people a better source to study and research the bets they wanted to make. Making it by all intents and purposes a very "educated" guess.

NOW, the chances of balancing your amount of wagers on every game is almost impossible without hanging yourself out there for a middle. Like I said before, these original bookies either caught on or fell by the wayside......Now bookies rely on the fact that the average bettor has no idea what he is doing and we make money on the ignorance of the general public........So that is how "those" at the top of the pyramid handle things now.......The biggest thing for the bookies now is advertising. Getting customers, that is the real art behind the bookie now.......Everything changes.....Boy do I miss the good ole days when this was easy...

So your whole pyramid thing would have to be in a vacuum with perfect conditions to work properly.........

Just my humble opinion.........


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So you're RICH then ? Who knew ?

And you're in the biz ? I would have thought you could have explained everything a bit more clearly,,,,, but whatever,,,,,

Boyd ?

Gary ?

Thoughts ?

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