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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:55 pm 
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I also blame the stupid chicas for posing for pics. The smart one no longer allow pics, even for a tip. They naive/stupid ones will learn their lesson soon enough. Why would a monger need pictures of a hooker he banged in the first place? As trophies? Jerk off material (please... :? )? To impress your friends? To post on a monger board validating how cool you are? :roll:
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haha Love it! Bring on the white knights!!


white knights, ok.
i see it like this. i have taken a lot of photos. never posted them on sites but thats my decision. guys that want to post them on mongering sites, thats their decision. i look at them same as everyone here does. its a mongering board so to each his own. the girl posed for the foto so end of story.
but to use the same fotos for profit on public sites without consent is a lowlife move.
from what i gather you are a single guy living down here without family so maybe it doesn´t apply to you but work with me for a minute.
imagine a site where girls talked about mongers. you know this guy pays 100 and tips big, this guy is cheap, that guy has a small dick etc. probably wouldn´t dig it but oh well thats life in the big city. occasionally you saw your own foto with a comment or 10. you don´t remember the foto being taken but at least its on a private site where the people that frequent the monger world are the ones that see it.
now consider a girl doing what this pos is doing and taking those fotos and publishing them on public sites so everyone in the world can see what you do in your spare time. just a little different.
they have families and friends the same as most of us do. it is not a moral equation as orange said it is an ethical one.
i do not think doing unto others only applies outside the monger world. i am as degenerate as anyone here. but where i come from what this guy does would be called lowlife. jmho

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:36 pm 
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And that is why I say over and over to the girls not pose for pictures for any of the guys. The same advice I would give a sister, daughter, etc. ANYTHING that gets on the internet can be there forever. But as it was brought up a couple of posts ago, it is interesting how they are supposedly so saavy on some things and not on others. Honestly, it's kind of like "cien" and many other subjects. Been played to death and will never be resolved.... When I use the white knight references and laugh, it is because it is quite funny the idea of gringos coming to the rescue of these little land sharks that will eat said gringos alive. And I say that with much admiration for the chicas.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Thirdworld wrote:
haha Love it! Bring on the white knights!!


white knights, ok.
i see it like this. i have taken a lot of photos. never posted them on sites but thats my decision. guys that want to post them on mongering sites, thats their decision. i look at them same as everyone here does. its a mongering board so to each his own. the girl posed for the foto so end of story.
but to use the same fotos for profit on public sites without consent is a lowlife move.
from what i gather you are a single guy living down here without family so maybe it doesn´t apply to you but work with me for a minute.
imagine a site where girls talked about mongers. you know this guy pays 100 and tips big, this guy is cheap, that guy has a small dick etc. probably wouldn´t dig it but oh well thats life in the big city. occasionally you saw your own foto with a comment or 10. you don´t remember the foto being taken but at least its on a private site where the people that frequent the monger world are the ones that see it.
now consider a girl doing what this pos is doing and taking those fotos and publishing them on public sites so everyone in the world can see what you do in your spare time. just a little different.
they have families and friends the same as most of us do. it is not a moral equation as orange said it is an ethical one.
i do not think doing unto others only applies outside the monger world. i am as degenerate as anyone here. but where i come from what this guy does would be called lowlife. jmho


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:08 pm 
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Nice to see someone knows the difference between morals and ethics and that some people seem to take their AGREEMENTS with the chicas seriously. Also, I love the "white knight" attack; since we are delving into the realm of moral philosophy, lets call that what it is, a the most simple minded and useless version of an ad hominem argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem (normally don't like wikipedia, but this suffices here).

I could give a shit about the morality of the situation; but I do care about the ethics. Ethics, in this situation, are about the agreements people make between each other. For instance, I pay a chica cien for TLN, I expect that she will treat me ethically and provide me the negotiated service.

By the same token, the chica lets you take her picture, for your own use, and you use it for the web, you have broken your contact with her. Why do we care about this, why should we not just say-"Phuck them, they are whores?" Well, forget the notions of human dignity and "do on to others" for moment, and lets be practical. The more frequently guys behave unethically toward chicas, the quicker they become hard core, and see us as objects to treat unethically themslves. In their mind, if a gringo has phucked them over ten times, well, why meet my end of the deal, and why not steal from them? All of us who have been around for a while have seen a sweet chica phucked over and have watched some grow hard core over time. Unethical behavior contributes to this. So, treat a chica unethically, and you have ruined the GFE for the next guy.

Ok, some of you will argue that if a chica lets you take pictures, and if you do not directly promise that you will not post her pictures on the web, than you did not break trust or the agreement. This is what we call implied agreement. When a chic puts her C*ck in your mouth, it is implied that she will not bite it off- you don't need say anything. When you take a chica into your room, it is implied that she will have sex with you (some things have to be negotiated, but this is basic and implied). Think of the sitaution, you say to a chica lets go, 80 bucks, and then she says to you in the room "well, I never said I will have sex with you, only that I will go to your room for 80 bucks." You will feel scammed and violated, and are more likely to be on guard next time (highly unlikly, but as an example). Most certainly you will kick her ass out.

Gaining chicas trust and implying to them that photographs are for your use only and then posting them on the web is unethical. Using them for finanical gain is even more so. It has NOTHING to do with morality- the more guys who are unethical toward chicas the more they will be unethical toward us. I like my GFE- GFE demands a level of trust from a chica. Chicas to really give you good gfe need to let their guard down (and Phuck, this is not about love, this is about the basic essentical biological need for women to feel safe- to women, safty comes before sexy).

Why do you think some places "go bad"- they start off with chicas full of trust and then they get phucked over. Of course, it goes both ways, many of the "little darlings" are crooks to start with and want to scam inexperienced mongers- but not all. Many get turned hardcare by unethical behavior.

Phuck morality- I don't care if you have a threesome with a chica and her 90 year old grandmother and have the chic eat her gradmas snatch, if that is what you negotaite with them...What I don't what you doing is behaving like an irresponsble little boy who cannot keep a deal- growth the Phuck up!

If you want to post picture on the web, than tell the chica and compensate her for it. It is the American way. It is capitalism, may it long last. If Cuba Dave wants to post pictures on Craigs list and other places, he should be ethical and give the chicas the option of saying yes or no, and pay them for exactly what he intends to do. Just like we demand they do for us. I want salad tossing, I am going to ask for it upfront, and if she does not give it to me, out she goes without money. She broke our agreement and she deserves nothing. If she meets our agreement and goes above and beyond- I may tip her.

This has nothing to do with rescuing the chicas-that also is for little boys who never grew up. But so is having to dehumanize the chicas. Guys who tend to do this are those who are not strong enough to set bounderies while things are happening, so they have to demonize the chicas before hand so they don't fall for them- a classic defense mechanism. Or, guys who have not had good relationships and have to blame women for their own inadequacy and pain. Damn man, they have no power over you unless you give it to them. But clearly, I digress.

It has to do with stepping up and making good on your agreements, and compensating people for their efforts, and not phucking it up for the next guy.

Most of this post was not geared toward any one poster, so, perhaps no more ad hominem arguments :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:29 pm 
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The subject of this tread is about A salute to CubaDave....he maybe a lowlife, pervert, pimp. But I see no Salutes.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:25 pm 
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Sounds like he should be in jail.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:27 pm 
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I have to say that I have enjoyed seeing Cuba Dave's photos in the past but your post and others have opened my eyes a bit and I have to agree with you. The vast majority of the girls I have sessioned with in CR have been sweethearts, of course I always try to act like a gentleman with them. Some others have been petty thieves, but the word eventually gets around about them. You make some very good points in your post.
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Nice to see someone knows the difference between morals and ethics and that some people seem to take their AGREEMENTS with the chicas seriously. Also, I love the "white knight" attack; since we are delving into the realm of moral philosophy, lets call that what it is, a the most simple minded and useless version of an ad hominem argument. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem (normally don't like wikipedia, but this suffices here).

I could give a shit about the morality of the situation; but I do care about the ethics. Ethics, in this situation, are about the agreements people make between each other. For instance, I pay a chica cien for TLN, I expect that she will treat me ethically and provide me the negotiated service.

By the same token, the chica lets you take her picture, for your own use, and you use it for the web, you have broken your contact with her. Why do we care about this, why should we not just say-"Phuck them, they are whores?" Well, forget the notions of human dignity and "do on to others" for moment, and lets be practical. The more frequently guys behave unethically toward chicas, the quicker they become hard core, and see us as objects to treat unethically themslves. In their mind, if a gringo has phucked them over ten times, well, why meet my end of the deal, and why not steal from them? All of us who have been around for a while have seen a sweet chica phucked over and have watched some grow hard core over time. Unethical behavior contributes to this. So, treat a chica unethically, and you have ruined the GFE for the next guy.

Ok, some of you will argue that if a chica lets you take pictures, and if you do not directly promise that you will not post her pictures on the web, than you did not break trust or the agreement. This is what we call implied agreement. When a chic puts her C*ck in your mouth, it is implied that she will not bite it off- you don't need say anything. When you take a chica into your room, it is implied that she will have sex with you (some things have to be negotiated, but this is basic and implied). Think of the sitaution, you say to a chica lets go, 80 bucks, and then she says to you in the room "well, I never said I will have sex with you, only that I will go to your room for 80 bucks." You will feel scammed and violated, and are more likely to be on guard next time (highly unlikly, but as an example). Most certainly you will kick her ass out.

Gaining chicas trust and implying to them that photographs are for your use only and then posting them on the web is unethical. Using them for finanical gain is even more so. It has NOTHING to do with morality- the more guys who are unethical toward chicas the more they will be unethical toward us. I like my GFE- GFE demands a level of trust from a chica. Chicas to really give you good gfe need to let their guard down (and Phuck, this is not about love, this is about the basic essentical biological need for women to feel safe- to women, safty comes before sexy).

Why do you think some places "go bad"- they start off with chicas full of trust and then they get phucked over. Of course, it goes both ways, many of the "little darlings" are crooks to start with and want to scam inexperienced mongers- but not all. Many get turned hardcare by unethical behavior.

Phuck morality- I don't care if you have a threesome with a chica and her 90 year old grandmother and have the chic eat her gradmas snatch, if that is what you negotaite with them...What I don't what you doing is behaving like an irresponsble little boy who cannot keep a deal- growth the Phuck up!

If you want to post picture on the web, than tell the chica and compensate her for it. It is the American way. It is capitalism, may it long last. If Cuba Dave wants to post pictures on Craigs list and other places, he should be ethical and give the chicas the option of saying yes or no, and pay them for exactly what he intends to do. Just like we demand they do for us. I want salad tossing, I am going to ask for it upfront, and if she does not give it to me, out she goes without money. She broke our agreement and she deserves nothing. If she meets our agreement and goes above and beyond- I may tip her.

This has nothing to do with rescuing the chicas-that also is for little boys who never grew up. But so is having to dehumanize the chicas. Guys who tend to do this are those who are not strong enough to set bounderies while things are happening, so they have to demonize the chicas before hand so they don't fall for them- a classic defense mechanism. Or, guys who have not had good relationships and have to blame women for their own inadequacy and pain. Damn man, they have no power over you unless you give it to them. But clearly, I digress.

It has to do with stepping up and making good on your agreements, and compensating people for their efforts, and not phucking it up for the next guy.

Most of this post was not geared toward any one poster, so, perhaps no more ad hominem arguments :D :D :D :D

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:08 pm 
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Didn't the anti-Cubadave attitude start when he and/or his site first started and they were stealing pics from the CRT VIP gallery and content from this board?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:11 pm 
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Didn't the anti-Cubadave attitude start when he and/or his site first started and they were stealing pics from the CRT VIP gallery and content from this board?


he was the biggest poster of pictures on this site so he surely has enough not to have to steal them. why would he want any picture he didn't already have when he was on the ground there in CR able to take as many as he likes.

i see a lot of fingers pointing, but those pointing them have aligned themselves with this site which also has pictures that aren't posted with authorization. if CD is such a dick, i don't know why this site isn't look upon in the same way. as i said before which everyone since i posted it has ignored, this site benefits/profits from unauthorized pictures as well (majority of them unauthorized, no doubt). password protected is not an excuse.

any of you white knights have the balls to terminate your CRT membership to stand on your ethics, nope, i didn't think so. you'll instead make an excuse for CRT while calling CD unethical.


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Again, someone who wants to deflect by name calling instead of addressing the issues. I don't really give a Phuck about the guy; I was making a point. And it has, for me, NOTHING to do with CRT, it is a general issues of guys "phucking up my shit" through by being big men and posting pics without permission....The chicas find out, or their families find out, and then they are not nearlly as good providers...

It is analogous to guys who travel, for example, to countries where anger is in an acceptable emotion to display in public (i.e Thailand), and they scream and holler at everyone-it has a long term impact...

No need for me to post anymore on this thread- I can always predict the three or four guys how will make certain comments

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I always say... keep a low profile, we have enough NGOs and women ranters who are against our hobby. You"all need to wise-up and dummy up and STIFLE.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:31 am 
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All I will say is that who ever is posting those ads on craigslist all the time has to be a fraud. They are old for the most part. And he's got photos of a couple of girls that I am pretty sure don't hook, but can't say 100%. You can find plenty of girls here who will do anything and don't care if you use it or not. No need to use unauthorized photos. For me personally never posted a photo of anybody on the internet.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:56 am 
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D2864 wrote:
Orange wrote:
It's not a moral issue. Morality has to do with much higher level actions. For example, murder would be a moral issue. Posting pics without is more of an ethical issue than a moral one.


no violence, pay them the agreed amount, no calling them nasty names are good mongering ethics. still have a problem placing all the blame on CD when the girls should know, in this day and age, that posing is a threat to them in many ways. the vocal minority on here speak of the chica network when it suits their purpose, but conveniently ignore it when it doesn't. enough bad things have happened with pictures (so they say) that every girl should immediately know better given the speed at which the chica network operates (this is what has been said many times CRT).

funny how no one bad mouthed CD when he was posting solely on his website and CRT, but when he teamed up with a CRT competitor, things changed. As I remember it, the only difference between CRT and the competitor was that the competitor openly offered the pictures, but on CRT, you have to pay a membership fee so there is profiting for you, now where is your outrage or is it is somehow different? No doubt, it will somehow be different.


I agree with all your points. I know CD and have found him to be a nice guy. I don't have a problem with him posting the pictures....with or without the chicas approval. Bottom line....this is the digital age....you pose for a photo and chances are it will be posted somewhere. I've seen Dave's photos re-posted on at least four other websites including two tico websites, ISG, etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:31 pm 
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Where's Cuba Dave now? Did you ever notice he rarely posts ? One day I was walking from the la amistad hotel to hotel Havana and in saw Elvis! I mean Cuba Dave ,he invited me to I think new fantasy? And showed me around and called the girls out for me .I thanked him and shook his hand ,that was nice of him . I showed his guide on his site to my newbie friend because friend would sometimes believe strangers before a buddy ..helearned alot and had a great time in cr.

I remember one of cd,s quote " sending money to a working girl is like buying new tires for a rental car"

One more thing guys, stop living in the dark most of theworking girls in many of the countries we visit are victims of human trafficing. Ever wonder who that is they call when they get to your room? It's epidemic in the states some say Up to 17500 per year http://www.humantrafficking.org/countri ... of_america

Imagine the lawlessness of third world countries dealing with this ...we are all contributing to it ,everyone on this post and possibly this site. Here we have alot of Russian and Asian,s trafficked ,in the south west it's mexicans . When I found all this out it was never the same for me again . Jg


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