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Circus, you are top flight. Thank you. And thank God for the rest of you who were also deeply moved by Circus' thoughtfulness and patriotism.

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Circus thank you the moving article. Very well written.

Admin thank you very much for clearing the board of that piece of
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A specail thanks for all our veterans and a bump for this outstanding post by Circus. rbc100

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thanks to Circus for the original post and RBC for the bump.

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Remembering family, friends and colleagues.


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As we approach another Veteran's Day tomorrow, I figured it's time to bump up this post another time and get some of you guys thinking about what this holiday means to each of us and to the many "lonely old men" from past wars. Of course, we all salute and honor the current men and women of the armed forces now whenever we see them in their desert fatigue uniforms freshly back from (or on their way to) the current conflict zones. But it is easy to overlook the many others from past wars who did not get such warm welcomes back and who now, in far too many instances, have fallen through the cracks of our society.


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Good bump Prolijo. My old man is flying the hump again. Was a pilot in WWII. Much respect to all who have served.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:57 am 
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A friend sent this to me.

Back From War, but Not Really Home
NY Times, Op-Ed Contributor
By Caroline Alexander
Published: November 7, 2009

WASHED onto the shores of his island home, after 10 years’ absence in a foreign war and 10 years of hard travel in foreign lands, Odysseus, literature’s most famous veteran, stares around him: “But now brilliant Odysseus awoke from sleep in his own fatherland, and he did not know it,/having been long away.” Additionally, the goddess Athena has cast an obscuring mist over all the familiar landmarks, making “everything look otherwise/than it was.” “Ah me,” groans Odysseus, “what are the people whose land I have come to this time?”

That sense of dislocation has been shared by veterans returning from the field of war since Homer conjured Odysseus’ inauspicious return some 2,800 years ago. Its vexing power was underscored on Thursday, when a military psychiatrist who had been treating the mental scars of soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan went on a shooting rampage at an Army base in Texas.

Who is the veteran, and how does he stand in relation to his native land and people? This question remains relevant to those marching in parades this week for Veterans Day in the United States and Armistice Day in Europe, as well as to the ever-diminishing number of spectators who applaud them. In theory, Veterans Day celebrates an event as starkly unambiguous as victory — survival. In practice, Nov. 11 is clouded with ambiguous symbolism, and has become our most awkward holiday.

The great theme of “The Odyssey” — the return of the war veteran to his home — is the only surviving, and undoubtedly the greatest, epic example of what was evidently a popular theme in ancient times. Another poem, now lost, “Nostoi,” or “Returns,” was an epic of uncertain authorship that was said to have encompassed five books and traced the homecomings of veterans of the Trojan War like the Greek commander in chief, Agamemnon; his brother, Menelaus; the aged counselor Nestor, the priest Calchas, the hero Diomedes and even Achilles’ son, Neoptolemos.

The Greek word nostos, meaning “return home,” is the root of our English “nostalgia” (along with algos — “pain” or “sorrow”). The content and character of “Nostoi” is now impossible to gauge; all we know of it comes from a late, possibly fifth-century A.D. summary and stray fragments. Some of the most famous of these traditional veterans’ stories, however, have survived in later, non-epic works.

Aeschylus’ towering tragedy “Agamemnon,” staged in 458 B.C., centers on the king’s return from Troy to his palace in Argos, where he is murdered in his bath by his wife, Clytemnestra. Virgil’s “Aeneid” famously relates the travails of the heroic Trojan veteran Aeneas, who, following the destruction of his city by the Greek victors, must make a new home in some other, foreign land.

But it is “The Odyssey” that most directly probes the theme of the war veteran’s return. Threaded through this fairytale saga, amid its historic touchstones, are remarkable scenes addressing aspects of the war veteran’s experience that are disconcertingly familiar to our own age. Odysseus returns home to a place he does not recognize, and then finds his homestead overrun with young men who have no experience of war. Throughout his long voyage back, he has reacted to each stranger with elaborate caginess, concocting stories about who he is and what he has seen and done — the real war he keeps to himself.

Midway through the epic, Odysseus relates to a spellbound audience how, in order to obtain guidance for the voyage ahead, it was necessary to descend to Hades. There, among the thronging souls of men and women dead and past, he confronted his comrades of the war — Agamemnon, Achilles, Patroclus, Antilochus and Ajax — robust heroes of epic tales now reduced to unhappy shades who haunt his story.

Similarly, while Odysseus is lost at sea, his son, Telemachus, embarks on a voyage of discovery, also seeking out his father’s former comrades, but those who lived to return. First of these is old Nestor, a veteran of many campaigns, now at home in sandy Pylos. No mortal man could “tell the whole of it,” says Nestor of the years at Troy, where “all who were our best were killed.” In Sparta, Menelaus, whose wife, Helen, was the cause of the war, is haunted by the losses: “I wish I lived in my house with only a third part of all/these goods, and that the men were alive who died in those days/in wide Troy land.”

Odysseus’ own memories are more potent. Amongst the kindly Phaiakians, who give him hospitality toward the end of his hard voyage, he listens to the court poet sing of the Trojan War’s “famous actions/of men on that venture.” Odysseus, taking his mantle in his hands, “drew it over his head and veiled his fine features/shamed for the tears running down his face.”

And most significantly, epic tradition hints at the dilemmas of military commemoration. In “The Iliad,” Achilles must choose between kleos or nostos — glory or a safe return home. By dying at Troy, Achilles was assured of undying fame as the greatest of all heroes. His choice reflects an uneasy awareness that it is far easier to honor the dead soldier than the soldier who returns. Time-tested and time-honored, the commemoration rites we observe each Memorial Day — the parades and speeches and graveside prayers and offerings — represent a satisfying formula of remembrance by the living for the dead that was already referred to as “ancient custom” by Thucydides in the fifth century B.C.

The commemoration of the veteran — the survivor who did not fall on the field of war — is less starkly defined. The returned soldier, it is hoped, will grow old and die among us, like Nestor, in whose time “two generations of mortal men had perished.” In our own times, the generation born in the optimistic aftermath of World War II has already encountered veterans of both world wars, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Persian Gulf war and our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — and still has several decades of martial possibilities in reserve. As the earlier of those wars recede into the past, their old soldiers fade away; and thus, commemorative rites for the veteran — by definition, the survivor — also tend to end, perversely, at graves.

How to commemorate the living veteran? Again, some guidance can be found in epic, the crucible of heroic mores. Old Nestor, the iconographic veteran, is a teller of many tales of the many battles he once waged. “In my time I have dealt with better men than/you are, and never once did they disregard me,” he tells the entire Greek army in “The Iliad.” “I fought single-handed, yet against such men no one/could do battle.” Although he is a somewhat comic figure, his speeches are deadly earnest; Old Nestor knows that his is the only voice to keep memory of such past campaigns alive.

One suspects such lengthy recitations are rare today. Rarer still is the respectful audience enjoyed by Nestor; impatience with such reminiscences began well before our age. “Menelaus bold/waxed garrulous, and sacked a hundred Troys/’Twixt noon and supper,” wrote Rupert Brooke, cynically, during the years leading up to a later Great War.

Today, veterans’ tales are more likely to be safeguarded in books and replicated in movies than self-narrated to a respectful throng. Detailed knowledge of the experience in which a veteran’s memories were forged is thus made common. To learn these stories is both civilian duty and commemoration. Death on the field and the voyage home — both are epic.

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I think it's Wed. not tomorrow :?
Oooppsss :oops: :oops: :oops: I think you're right. For some reason, I thought today was the 10th and was just getting a little jump on the gun. I guess I was getting a bigger jump than I thought. Oh well, we really should be thinking of veterans throughout the year, and not just on one day.


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Tip of the hat and a true Thanks to All our Vets.

and in particular, to the proprietor of the CardBoard Inn, Inc.

sure do miss the dude.

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:40 am 
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Every year during Veterans day I feel quite somber. It’s a day to commemorate this country’s war veterans since this nation’s inception. Most Americans have no clue at to the significance of the sacrifices that out men and women have gone through during the wars and conflicts this nation has endured. Even more sadly, the younger generations are seemingly expelled from military history and as a result it provokes a disdain for our military and this country. They are unaware of the fact that almost no soldier wants to go to war but does so out of duty. There are no good wars but there were and is several million good men and women who answered the call of duty..including hundreds of thousands that made the ultimate sacrifice.

I visited a couple of local shopping malls yesterday as I do just about every veteran’s day. Not to shop but to seek out fellow veterans. I once wrote an article about “Lonely old men in the mall.” It is indeed a magnet for lonely people to wander, sit and seek the company of strangers. Many have no living family or are estranged from the family they have left. Then there are the individuals that are down on their luck or just don’t care anymore. You would be amazed to know how many of these people are veterans.

It was early and the mall had just opened an hour earlier. After walking through the food court I approached a benched area that is popular for resting and observers. Several individuals were seated but the one that caught my attention was a frail elderly man dressed in a suite that was pressed but one that was more in style 40 years ago. He sat there eating an ice cream while slowly glancing at shoppers walking by. He had that look of loneliness yet pride.

I walked over and sat on the bench next to him and nodded. For some reason I just knew. “WW2 or Korea?,” I softly inquired. He stared at me and countered, “why.” Normally I would have been a bit uneasy but this type of encounter was not new to me. I wrote on CRT about a similar one at McDonalds on Avenue Central when I met a old soldier.

I answered back, “as a Vietnam veteran I always acknowledge veterans of other wars and thank them for their service.” Apparently, that broke the ice and he began to engage in conversation. Oh what a conversation we had and I marveled at what this man had lived through. He was 82 years old and had served in the marine corps in both WW2 and Korea. He had fought in the Pacific theater including Iwo Jima and Okinawa. His first cousin had died in the Bataan death march earlier in the war. He remained in the corps until after 8 months in Korea where he was badly wounded and suffered from frostbite. He did rather well reviving his recollection of the war but when he began to speak of buddies he had lost….tears welled in his eyes and he choked up. I did the same.

I asked him if he lived in town and he replied that he lived in Macon, Ga. and was visiting a daughter in law. His Ch*ldren and wife were no longer living. We shook hands and I gave him a slight hug. As I turned to go he muttered, “thanks for remembering.” Somehow the noises and the shoppers were oblivious as I walked to the exit. With very moist eyes I could only think of that humble and most valiant man.

If Admin decides this board is a better place with out me, so be it...this WILL be my last post until I hear from him.....I feel this post is fitting for Memorial Day, as it is for Veterans Day......Thanks to all the Veterans on this board...Thanks for your service :!:


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If Admin decides this board is a better place with out me, so be it...this WILL be my last post until I hear from him.....I feel this post is fitting for Memorial Day, as it is for Veterans Day......Thanks to all the Veterans on this board...Thanks for your service :!:



Why do you think he might think its a better place without you? Maybe because he's asked you to stop bumping posts that are years old, and in a lot of cases, arent even relevant anymore? For instance, the post you bumped in the VIP section where you asked the guy how his trip was, disregarding the fact that the member wasnt a VIP anymore, and hadnt posted in all that time?

The title of this thread is appropriate though. Its titled "Lonely old men in the mall", however, with your recent bumping of old threads, I would like to rename it "lonely old man on CRT with nothing better to do than bump threads that are 3+ years old".

I would like to add, as a Veteran, thank you for thanking all the other Veterans for their service.


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