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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:22 pm 
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Truth is truth whether it steps on toes or not. After living here this long I see his article as being right on the mark...


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Truth is truth whether it steps on toes or not. After living here this long I see his article as being right on the mark...

I agree 100 percent. We may not like the info but this guy does his homework if you read his articles.


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Maybe this should not be read:

"The problem with these stories is that foreigners that fool around with that type of women are usually older than 50 and the only thing going for them is the cash. Most of them have not done a good job taking care of their appearance and cannot naturally attract younger women. They can only attract them monetarily".


That is a tough line to swollow :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:38 pm 
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The article reminded me of the old PT Barnum quote "There's a sucker born every minute". Some people let themselves become victims. Not trying to say it's ok to rip someone off but the men mentioned in the story were suckers or schmucks. The are plenty of threads on this board that demonstrate this point. Bottom line "Just Say No" to RFM's and other similar financial scams.


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Some of what he writes does sometimes sound semi-sympathetic to our viewpoint (as in calling the laws unfair and one-sided), but at other times he seems to write what the straight masses want to hear and thus is "politically correct". That's why I think he might actually be a "closet monger" playing it straight for his wider reading audience. Is he a feminist pawn, is he really a hypocrite or is he a really an objective journalist? Its hard to say.

Whether this article is sympathetic or condescending really depends on how you read it. He certainly wasn't overly sympathetic to the gold-digging biotches, although he pointed out that other ticos don't see anything wrong with what they do and even "admire and encourage it". OTOH, while he portrayed the old Gringos who fall prey to this as unfortunate victims, he also described them as "Fool Gringos" and didn't exactly paint them in a very favorable light either. As the quote that Estabanh provided shows, he sees them as mostly a bunch of old ugly out of shape guys, with more money than sense. He goes on to describe them as either sex addicts seeking to escape depression or unhappiness, hedonistic pleasure seekers, possibly addicted to toxic unhealthy relationships or sufferers of midlife crisis struggling with low self-esteem due to their age, failed marriages and work problems. That seems pretty grim and condescending to me too.

It also seems like a broad stereotype to me. Guys of that nature may be the ones most likely and most often to fall for one of these scams. OTOH, in some ways, old ugly out of shape guys may actually be the least likely to fall because it is so much harder for them to delude themselves that it is anything much more than money. However, just because you still hit the gym 3 times a week and haven't TOTALLY let yourself go doesn't mean that you as a 50+ year old guy isn't primarily attractive to a sexy young 20 something year old because of your wealth. And just because you don't suffer from low self-esteem from failed marriages or some other psychological defect, doesn't mean that guys like you haven't slipped up and let themselves be fooled by these master manipulators.

Estebanh is right that the vast majority of CRT stories are good stories with good endings (at least the ones that most people tell). I think it is also fair to say that most of us realize the pitfalls and are on guard against them. OTOH, CRT doesn't represent the vast majority of gringo mongers in CR and I'm sure there have been plenty of them who don't exactly fit Baker's stereotype who have fallen victim to this sort of thing.

Even amongst CRTers and even veteran ones at that, there are guys who have made what later prove to be foolish mistakes. You may think you're immune because you have a well-grounded perspective, but it could really happen to nearly anyone if they let down their guard, as most of us eventually do at some point. I'd bet many of the CRTers who have been fooled would have told you before that it would never happen to them.

Baker concluded his article with some good advice: "Sensible rules to avoid becoming a prey to Gringo Hunters include not marrying impulsively, not having Ch*ldren and not financing more than the normal expenses during their dates." Zebra's advice went even further and I think was even better:
1) Rent, don't own (ie don't marry AT ALL, impulsively or otherwise)
2) Do not let a chica live with you (even if you have a vasectomy to protect against the pregnancy trap, you need to avoid this in order to protect against the domestic abuse and property ones). This may seem extreme for you novia/M-Men guys, but at least be very careful how you proceed in this area.
3) Get a vasectomy. Again this may seem extreme if you still hope to have more K*ds some day with either a gringa or latina, but for the 50+ year olds might make a lot of sense.
4) Have a mentality of "I can take them or leave them." I think a lot of guys let chicas walk all over them, whether its through RFM's or jealous control of their seeing other chicas, because they're afraid of losing them and think that's what they need to do to keep them. Maybe it is, but if so, do they really need to keep such chicas?

Zebra did leave out Baker's last piece of advice which I think should be thrown back in. Namely, not financing more than the normal expenses during their dates (if it winds up costing you as much as cien por hora de sexo, you're paying way too much whether its just for an hour or a live-in situation).

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BTW, HunterS, as bad as some laws are in the US, surprisingly they are in many ways much worse in CR. I suggest you read some of those articles.


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Nobody should get too bent out of shape about the over 50 comment. CR is increasingly becoming more and more about the money in relationships. I don't know if a lot of younger guys without money are doing much better. Maybe sex for a couple of days. I've had female friends tell me they have no interest in the 20 somethings or 30 somethings, no matter how hot, unless they can provide a certain vacation or lifestyle.


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NYG wrote:
Maybe this should not be read:

"The problem with these stories is that foreigners that fool around with that type of women are usually older than 50 and the only thing going for them is the cash. Most of them have not done a good job taking care of their appearance and cannot naturally attract younger women. They can only attract them monetarily".


That is a tough line to swollow :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Estebanh wrote:
There will always be losers in every group. Were it not for Tica Gringo hunters, the guys written about in the article would probably fall victim to some other scam. There are zillions of scammers right here in the good ole USA. These guys are typically idiots and will fall prey to any clever predator. These are the same guys who fall victim to phone scams or become addicted to drugs and alcohol and ruin their lives.

I think there is a lot of truth in this statement. One of the guys I have known for a few years recently "broke up" with his "novia". He had been sending her money and love letters while still living in the US. The reality that she was still working and had been working him finally sunk in, he sez (as if it weren't apparent and as if no one had clued him in). With the same breath he introduces his new girl and tells me he bought a house.

The next time I see him the new girl is gone and he is shopping for a new, new girl: He is doing everything possible to classically "attract a girl". He is the typical "White Knight" and certain that he will save a Princess if he just impresses her enough with his generous spending and lavish attention. No amount of advise will deter him, "I'm just being me...".

In my opinion, it isn't the Tica's fault or even the Ginga's, for that matter. Money doesn't buy her respect and you can't build any kind of relationship without it.

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Great story CRSurfTown. Good to hear of the guy getting the better of the woman for once. I bet the look on the most current tica's face was priceless...


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CRSurftown,
The gringo in your example didn't get screwed because there were laws favoring him. The reason he did not get screwed was because of laws protecting his first TICA wife. That was really as much a case of Tica vs Tica as it was Gringo vs. Tica. He did use the laws to his advantage. Lets just hope it doesn't come back to haunt him when his first wife decides to screw him over for going with the 2nd tica. Also, while the 2nd tica may have no recourse to his house or his assets, I have to wonder whether a) his biological Ch*ldren with her aren't entitled to some sort of Ch*ld support and b) she might at least get him in trouble for bigamy for spite if nothing else.


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Prolijo wrote:
CRSurftown,
The gringo in your example didn't get screwed because there were laws favoring him. The reason he did not get screwed was because of laws protecting his first TICA wife. That was really as much a case of Tica vs Tica as it was Gringo vs. Tica. He did use the laws to his advantage. Lets just hope it doesn't come back to haunt him when his first wife decides to screw him over for going with the 2nd tica.


True Pro you are correct.....This example is intended for those married folks like el Ciego who have wives that tolerate the mongering. The point is El Ciego could come down here and co habitate with the lady and his assets would still be protected


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"The problem with these stories is that foreigners that fool around with that type of women are usually older than 50 and the only thing going for them is the cash. Most of them have not done a good job taking care of their appearance and cannot naturally attract younger women. They can only attract them monetarily".


That is a tough line to swollow :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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CRSurftown,
Are you really sure that this would have turned out the same way if the first wife was a gringa back in the US rather than another tica? :? And how many guys have gringa wives that are so understanding about mongering, particularly when it involves screwing over a fellow wife of nearly 10 years AND her 3 Ch*ldren.


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Prolijo wrote:
CRSurftown,
Are you really sure that this would have turned out the same way if the first wife was a gringa back in the US rather than another tica? :? And how many guys have gringa wives that are so understanding about mongering?


I Agree with both your points its rare that they are understanding about that and a tica would have more leverage than a gringa yes. True
But one point the gringa is going to have no pitty for the fellow wife it is going to infringe upon her assets. I''m not casting judgements either way just relaying a rare example where the gringo was protected to some extent take it or leave it but the protection he got from being married was REAL. Im not interested in arguing with the prolific pro here... its just an example that happened thats it.


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I read it. Nothing I haven't heard before. Most of it is probably true. But there is nothing reallly new here. I guess he is probably trying to make a point based on his own attitude or self-interest. So what?


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