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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:21 am 
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Here we go again. The illustrious CR legislature has now linked casinos to drug activity. I have no direct knowledge one way or the other BUT I seriously doubt that Big John (DR) Shelby (Colonial) and the owners of the internationally owned Fiesta Casinos would jeapordise their highly successful operations to be involved in drugs. Today's www.amcostarica.com on page 2 is a wacked out article that has seemingly NO BASIS in fact. It certainly appears to me that this is another Laura Chinchilla led and inspired attack on the industry that she and her big money moralist following are pursueing. This topic may not be of much importance to a lot of our members, HOWEVER make no mistake about it........ The ONLY thing that Laura and her "merry band of do-gooders" dislike even more than gambling is PROSTITUTION. I've started a new thread on this subject to give Prolijo and ID more room to comment.


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The weeping angels were a group of statue-like creatures that "killed" their victims by sending them backwards through time to live out their lives before their birth. The angels would freeze into stone if they were seen, but between blinks or in darkness, they could move extremely quickly to their victims.

those "Weeping Angels"?

or, to paraphrase the duke "As your Weeping Angel, I advise you to do more drugs."?

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Greengo wrote:
Man pround man dressed in a little,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,willie s...........



Trumped!

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i found it!


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“Man, proud man, dressed in a little brief authority, like an angry ape, play such fantastic tricks before high heaven as make the angels weep”


dude, you're well read.

and you make us work to read you!


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anyway, your analogy is correct, in my opinion, in reference to the actions mentioned in VB's original post.

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Greengo is well-read and by Brother C'dude, read well.

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Well read, yes. But the full relevance of that literary reference is probably left unclear to most. First of all, let's use the full quote:
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Man, proud man, dressed in a little brief authority, most ignorant of what he is most assured, his glassy essence, like an angry ape, plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven as make the angels weep; who, with our spleens, would all themselves laugh mortal.


Cali left out my favorite part of that quote which I've underlined in the middle. And the last part is also particularly evocative. It means if they weren't angels, who aren't allowed to laugh at the follies of man, they would otherwise bust a gut laughing themselves to death.

This quote comes from Act 2 scene 2 of Shakespeare's Measure for Measure, which, if you know the play, is in general particularly relevant to the little tragi-comedy going on now in CR. Its about a newly installed petty tyrant (Angelo) temporarily deputized during the absence of the Duke, who begins enforcing draconian morality laws for the first time. First, he shuts down all brothels in Vienna (except for some of the ones favored by a wealthy burgher). Then he arrests this guy, Claudio for having premarital sex with his fiancee (and knocking her up), and sentences him to death in order to make an example out of him. When asked by his advisor whether he had not at one time in his life err'd in the way for which he is now condemning Claudio, he ducks the question with the rationalization of who better to judge a sinner than other sinners and goes on to say, if I ever sin like this again in the future, then you can condemn me as well. Well, surprise surprise, he does. Shortly thereafter, Claudio's sister, Isabella, a chaste and pure girl who was about to become a nun, goes to Angelo to plead for his brother's life, when she makes the above comment. Angelo is unmoved by her pleas, but gets turned on by the sight of this beautiful young virgin on her knees before him and suggests there may be other ways he could be persuaded to spare Claudio's life. The play shows the absurdity and hypocrisy of those who pretend to authority, when it comes to the enforcement of arbitrary rules of morality.


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The above Post makes a good, conscious segue into the posts about the travails of the Governors and other seedy politicians (pick any 1).

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the price of admission to the site is worth just being able to read Greengo and Prolijo.


:lol:

hey Pro, remember when I penciled you in as the leader of the 'rude mechanicals' in the Mid Summer Night parody?


hahahahahaha....we love you dude.

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guilty........as a business major I am lost in this literary discourse. So you guys agree or disagree that the link between casinos and drugs is ludicrous. Beware the bitch in heat. She wants to disrupt our lifestyle and she is getting closer.


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I cannot believe Big John at the DR would be involved with the drug trade.

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Californicationdude wrote:
I cannot believe Big John at the DR would be involved with the drug trade.


Do you have the same warm fuzzy feeling about this guy?

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Investor case against Luis Milanes slows to a crawl
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

The 527 investors who hope to get money back from Luis Ángel Milanes Tamayo have suffered another reverse.

A preliminary court hearing scheduled for a few weeks has been put off and the case appears to be back to square one. In addition, investors have learned that Milanes never put up $15 million in cash that he promised when a judge let him out of prison after just a few hours a year ago.

Milanes was the operator of Savings Unlimited, one of several high-interest borrowing operations. He closed up his operation one weekend in November 2002 and vanished. The loss to investors was in the neighborhood of $200 million.

June 19, 2008, Milanes turned up at an airport in El Salvador using a false passport, said the International Police Agency. Instead of being held, law officers allowed him to continue his trip to Costa Rica where prosecutors awaited him. It was apparent that Milanes had made arrangements with prosecutors to surrender.

Milanes was ordered to preventative detention for six months but got out in a few hours by posting some $10 million in property and promising to post $15 million in cash.

Estimates of the loss to those who have joined the fraud case against him range from $40 to $50 million.

In the meantime, representatives of Milanes have been negotiating with some investors and offering them cents on the dollar to drop their case. Milanes operated and continues to operate a chain of casinos in San José and elsewhere.

In all, the Milanes operation has about 47 separate companies, said court papers. Investors were led to believe that Milanes owned the Hotel Europa, the Hotel Royal Dutch, the Hotel Costa Rica Morazán, the casinos Europa, Tropical, Royal Dutch, Majestic, La Condesa and the Tobby Brown beauty shop chain. All but the Royal Dutch actually were rented properties, said court papers. Many investors thought they were part owners of the hotels and casinos.

The latest legal problem appears to have to do with the paperwork on the court file. A judge rejected the case. A judicial worker said that all parties to the case were not notified correctly. That means a preliminary hearing might not be scheduled until August at the earliest, one investor said.

Some get the sense that prosecutors want the investors, mostly U.S. and Canadian citizens, to settle their case. They may have good reason.
When Milanes left he cleaned out the offices in Centro Colon and did not leave behind much evidence.

There also has been turnover in the lead prosecutors.

Another reason may be because prosecutors cannot produce a principal witness, Adolfo Somarribas Arias, who was captured in Luxembourg last November. He is believed to be a close associate who handled the Milanes accounts in Europe.

He is fighting extradition there and also faces a local money laundering charge. Somarribas is a well-known lawyer here and once sought the job of defensor de los habitantes.

Also being investigated in the case, according to court documents, are: Enrique Pereira Oceguera, general manager of Savings Unlimited; Michael Gonzalez Espinoza, the manager of accounts; José Victor Poo, identified as a supervisor of the operation; Enrique Pereira Sila, auditor general; José Milanes Tamayo Coto, the brother of Luis Milanes, who worked as the general manager of an associated company; Mercedes del Carmen López Blandon, a former Milanes housekeeper who rose to a position of confidence in the operation, and Herman Zango Milgram, a man court papers allege hide money for the Milanes operation. All are free but some served periods of preventative detention.

Although today the idea that a company can pay 3 to 5 percent interest a month on investments seems unlikely, when Savings Unlimited was in operation from 1999 to 2002, there were at least five similar firms offering about the same deal.

The most well-known was the defunct Luis Enrique Villalobos operation in Mall San Pedro. He was secretive about what he did with the money and paid his investors each month with cash stuffed in an envelope. He required a $10,000 initial investment.

Milanese had a different image. While Villalobos conducted business behind a nondescript entry, Milanes had etched glass doors. He had what appeared to be a teller's window inside the office giving the place a suggestion of a bank or loan company. The furnishings were plush and inviting. He gave computer-generated statements.

While Villalobos gave Bibles to his creditors, Milanes associates would take investors on casino and nightlife tours.

Workers at the Milanes operation always said he was investing the borrowed money into casinos. He once offered $100,000 to the Abel Pacheco campaign in late 2001, but Pacheco rejected the money.

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Ah....don't you just LOVE Central America?! Wait....isn't Costa Rica part and parcel with Central America? Yup....sure is.

Underneath all the JIVE about CR being a "democracy"; having no "...standing army...."; blah, blah, blah....surely the forest can be seen for the trees....I guess that vision takes a lot of boys a LOT longer than some of us.....

Carrying a USA passport means nothing when you're in Central America....and "other" parts of the world....if it means anything at all.

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VB, I think you can assume that we ALL AGREE that the link between casinos and drugs is ludicrous.
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I cannot believe Big John at the DR would be involved with the drug trade.
Big John is making too much money off of poor pay-out ratios, overpriced rooms and drinks, and chica fees to put up with that sort of thing going on in his place. Sure some of the his bar patrons or even some employees may try to get away with some things under the table, but HDR mgmt does everything it can do to prevent that sort of thing and root it out (e.g. the cameras all over the place and multiple security guards). The only drug dealing I ever witnessed around the HDR was the oregano that some of the street riff-raff were trying to foist on passing gringos on the sidewalks OUTSIDE of the HDR. And I seriously doubt limiting casino hours has any impact at all on any of that.

Similarly, Chunkzilla tries to link casinos and prostitution and particularly by extension und***ge prostitution. As you have pointed out the ONLY casino that has any significant prostitution going on inside of it is the HDR. The prostitutes are just following the money. If a casino closes down and guys with money no longer hang out there, the prostitutes will just move to someplace they do. If a casino like the HDR closes down, guys with money would still be hanging out there because guys go to the HDR as much for the prostitutes as for the gambling if not even much more. And the chicas would still be there even while the casino is closed because the guys are still there.

As for "saving the Ch*ldren", there may be a few und***ge girls that sneak into the HDR with fake ID's but, as with the drugs, HDR mgmt does everything it can to prevent that for the exact same reason. They don't want to put their moneymaking machine at risk by allowing stupid stuff like that to go on. I'm sure there is a LOT more und***ge prostitution going on out on the streets or in hidden brothels catering to TICOS. And, even if there wasn't, there would be if shuts down all the high profile places like casinos where she THINKS it is going on.

And, even IF you accepted the spurious connection between casinos and prostitution, closing the casinos because SOME of them have SOME prostitution going on in them would be like banning cars because some people drive drunk. The crime is driving DRUNK, not just driving. And the crime is picking up prostitutes in a gambling establishment, not just gambling there. :? No wait, prostitution there or anywhere else is not even illegal. Going after the casinos for something that ALLEGEDLY goes on in them, penalizes EVERYBODY who works or gambles there EVEN if they don't have anything to do with any prostitution. If you don't like prostitution and that is what you're trying to stop, then target THAT rather than everybody who "drives cars". Not that I'm really advocating her doing that, but it at least it would make more "sense" and would be more honest and focused on her real target.

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Re: ID's post, I'm not sure I see the relevance. A scummy con artist makes unsubstantiated CLAIMS of connections to SOME of the casinos as a way of explaining how he was able to offer the high returns he did (the Villalobos Bros. used "factoring" as their source of profits). The article itself seemed to call into serious question the credibility of those claims and painted Milanes's business as more likely just another Ponzi scheme. It seems pretty clear successful casinos like the HDR didn't need his investments (although they may have invested with him) and he was most likely really just using the money from his later investors to pay off his earlier ones (and enlarging his Swiss bank accounts) rather than investing it into anything real, like casinos, that would offer a genuine return.


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nothing mentioned about casinos or little darlings in this article/poll



Drugs top Ticos' worry list, says UNA study
By Mike McDonald
Tico Times Staff | mmcdonald@ticotimes.net

The nation's drug problem is the top concern among Costa Ricans today, according to a new survey by the National University (UNA).

In response to a question about “the most urgent situations that must be tended to in Costa Roca,” 90 percent of Costa Ricans indicated that drugs are on their list of worries.

The second most urgent situation for Costa Ricans, according to the survey, are robberies and assaults (86 percent) followed by organized crime (81 percent).

The findings represent just one section of the study – called Explaining the phenomenon of immigration and human trafficking from a focal point of wellbeing: The case of Costa Rica – carried out by UNA's Institute of Social Studies of the Population.

UNA researchers conducted phone interviews with 800 people from rural and urban areas ages 18 and older between April 20 and May 3

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