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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:38 am 
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Pro,

I know from our talks last night you are very sad and hurt. Someone mentioned ealrier that at least you found out before lots of material damage. Unfortunately the non-material damage is harder to cure. You tried and self-admittedly had a few of the best months of your life. Relish that part and take the cure.

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Hey Orange will you give me a haircut 8) 8) 8)

I don't do hair, but you can ask Florida to shave your balls. :oops: :wink:


get in character Orange

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El Ciego wrote:
Let's change the scenario a bit. You meet a hot woman at the local Great Clips where you get your hair cut. You date, it gets hot, it looks permanent. She still goes to work cutting hair, right? But she doesn't lie to you if she wants to work. You'll never get, "Sorry honey, I blew you off because I had family problems" when she gets into the Focus and drives to the strip mall. She feels no need to lie to you.

Do you seriously believe that's an appropriate analogy?

"Look maybe your method of [cutting hair] differs from mine, but touchin' his [hair], and [letting a man stick his dick] in her holyiest of holyies, ain't the same ballpark, ain't the same league, ain't even the same fuckin' sport."


Why not?

We accept that prostitution is what these girls do for a living.

I suggest that it may be our Judeo-Christian upbringing that prompts us to refer to vaginas as "holiest of holies."

The whore divorces herself from her feelings. She has to, otherwise she couldn't have a "normal" relationship for love's sake, right?

She can, as most women can really love...but not with clients. Her private life is I believe, her private life, and it can never cross with her job for the sake of protecting her real emotions. Life is life, work is work.

When it's real love, perhaps her vagina does indeed become her holiest of holies. It is the vessel of child-bearing and the source of pleasure for her, too.

But work's a different story.

It's manual labor combined with the jobs of actress and den mother, psychologist and sometimes, acrobat. Fact is, they (by choice) usually feel nothing for us that could possibly endure, beyond fondness if we treat them well.

I really don't see prostitution as being any different from other "body services," including massage and yes, hairstyling. The only difference is condition of undress and which part eventually gets shortened. So yes, to answer your question, I do believe that it is an appropriate analogy.

And I think it's healthier for us to think of it that way, rather than delude ourselves with all this novia B.S.

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Thirdworld wrote:
No surprise. Sorry, not trying to be harsh... Just got to reiterate: Don't date hookers!!


3rdWorld..... is right. I wouldn't flame you for a million bucks and no one should either. Your coming forward may save some other fellow from following down the same path. You learned... be it the hard way. This is something I can preach about till I'm blue in the face (see the thread "Your Novia is a Prostitute... Wake Up and Smell the Coffee"), but as you know you no one will ever get it until they have experienced it.

Pro.... I just got back late last night and for a week in the "belly of the beast" and talked with or overheard one fellow after another who will be in your same situation... eventually.

Read my tag line. I wrote it for a reason. The gulch is a "game". You have to know and act on the rules.

Berk.....

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BTW, Prostoner...

I don't mean to sound cold or insensitive. I do feel for you, and in fact am myself in danger of falling in love with a working girl.

She's 20, flaca, pretty and speaks a lot of English. While her skills aren't all that, she's at a point where coaching and education could mold her into a perfect lover. She has a traditional family who doesn't know what she does for money. She claims to have no novio.

She has only written love letters and no RFM. She's bright, innocent-looking, sexy... in short, she's the one I could sell my house, my wife and my soul to marry. :roll:

But underneath my lust and appreciation, I am cynical. Little things.

I played her a tune called "Young Girls Are My Weakness." Her cold laugh at the lyric "Young girls, sweet as honey. Young girls take all my money" spoke volumes. Her description of her dream home (swimming pool, servants and a Lexus parked in the garage) told me much as well.

They all know which of our buttons to push. I often wonder what devil granted them such magical power. Nobody I've met who has had a novia from the prostitution world has been stupid. Most of us are smarter than averae, we've all been warned, we all should know the deal. Even I who knows better am still tempted to believe. That's how convincing these ladies are.

Hollywood has missed the boat. These darlings are born actresses.

I know it hurts. I think for me what might hurt the worst isn't the betrayal, but the idea that I could have read someone so poorly.

Don't beat yourself up. You lost a small piece of your heart in the final analysis, and managed to save money in the process. Lucky you.

Think of the guys who have lost their life savings to these women. :! :SHOCK:

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El Ciego wrote:
They all know which of our buttons to push. I often wonder what devil granted them such magical power.

Their "power" is limited by what WE grant them.

A lonely man will often make decisions no "content" man ever would.

"What You Won't Do For Love" - Bobby Caldwell
I guess you wonder where I've been
I searched to find a love within
I came back to let you know
Got a thing for you and I can't let go

My friends wonder what is wrong with me
Well I'm in a daze from your love, you see
I came back to let you know
Got a thing for you and I can't let go

Some people go around the world for love
But they may never find what they dream of
What you won't do, do for love
You've tried everything but you don't give up
In my world only you make me do
for love what I would not do

But then I only want the best it's true
They can't believe the things I do for you
What you won't do, do for love
You've tried everything but you don't give up
In my world, only you makes me do
for love what I would not do
Makes me do for love what I would not do

Prostoner,
Thank you for your honesty. It's always good to be reminded from time to time to keep our heads and our hearts on straight when dealing with affairs of the heart, especially with women who don't work in "traditional" jobs.

Personally I've never been a big advocate of the "Phuck five more to get over it" remedy for a broken heart . It might work for some but not me. I've been with lots of women over the years just for sex but none of them healed the wounds left on my heart by the ones I really cared about.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:04 pm 
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Well, after five months of thinking I'd found the perfect novia, the truth finally kicked me in the face. For those that want the details, they will follow but sufice it to say, NO MATTER WHAT A WORKING GIRLS SAYS, SHE IS A LIAR!


Liar is such an ugly word. I prefer to think of them as actresses.

:)

I have a couple of chicas that I would classify as simi-novias that I really like and enjoy spending time with. It works out for me because I just assume everything they tell me is bull shit, just part of their act. Just like going to the movies, I practice suspended disbelief when I am with them. When they are not around, I treat it all as pure entertainment and laugh off their Bla Bla Bla.

Sorry to hear about your troubles ...... you are definitely one of the Good Guys!!!!!!


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Witling wrote:
Personally I've never been a big advocate of the "Phuck five more to get over it" remedy for a broken heart . It might work for some but not me. I've been with lots of women over the years just for sex but none of them healed the wounds left on my heart by the ones I really cared about.

Uncle Wit,
You are so "deep"!! :P I always knew you were a sensitive guy. :lol: Now come here and give me a kiss, you big softy !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Pro,
I am sure you will be hearing from her as soon as the bills start piling up again. Be strong my brother be strong.

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To everyone...thanks for the kind words and lack of "We told you so's". I knew this was likely to end like this and now I gotta pay the price.
However, thanks to some great guys especially BKTuna and Pacifica55, I'll pull through.
To clarify, Alicia and I had an understanding for the last month and a half she would not work again. We'd had the same understanding the two months I was here for spanish school.
I told her as long as we were together, I'd take care of all the bills and all she needed. She promised me she wanted out of the business and into a normal life. I believed her mainly because her sister commited suicide just three months before I met her becuase of this life. She convinced me she wanted to just take care of her family and be a good mom.
I think she truly wanted out but the lure of the easy buck for things I wasn't willing to buy her right now was just too much. Like I've seen said before, you can take the girl out of the DR but you can't take the DR out of the girl.
It just amazes me someone with such a great personality, giving heart and truly a great girl could pull what she did knowing what it'd do to me. It just goes to show, there were NEVER any feelings for me on her part or she wouldn't have taken the risk for a measly $200.

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I prefer to think of them as actresses.

And the World is their stage... :roll::roll::roll:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder who's the leading Drama Queen?????

iggy... :P


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I wonder who's the leading Drama Queen?????

iggy... :P


Easy. Muffdiver. :P :P :P :lol: :wink: Or El Ciego... :oops: :shock:

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Igualmente wrote:
I prefer to think of them as actresses.

And the World is their stage... :roll::roll::roll:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder who's the leading Drama Queen?????

iggy... :P
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Prostoner wrote:
....It just amazes me someone with such a great personality, giving heart and truly a great girl could pull what she did knowing what it'd do to me. It just goes to show, there were NEVER any feelings for me on her part or she wouldn't have taken the risk for a measly $200.


"P"... I gotta say I am not surprised in the least as to what she did. Unless you were handing her a wad of cash every month what did you expect? Think about it. You already stated you wouldn't buy her whatever she wanted. Well, that's what she was doing before... using her earnings for whatever she did want. The chicas never hook up with gringos for love. That's how it started right? A business transaction. She's young and I have to assume you are much older. Active hookers do make great partners... one hour at a time though. They have to quit this life on their own and not because their "sugar daddy" a.k.a "papi dulce" wants them to. Even then falling back on to the "easy money" date is not a guarantee.

Hopefully, you coming forward and sharing this experience will cause others to pull their head out of their culos.

San Jose is not for everyone. Only you can determine that. Something to consider.

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Berk, everyone in this situation always thinks they've got the one that is different. That's why we keep here the same story over and over. I've had a couple that wanted me to be their novio, even knowing I don't have the money their clients do. One told me she would keep working, wouldn't have to ask me for money. Seemed like a good setup, but I ran like a scared rabbit. Why? The age old wisdom: if it seems to good to be true it probably is. You are right though, the gulch isn't for everyone.


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