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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:20 am 
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Is there even one person out of the thousands of people on this board who has, at any time in any place, met a prostitute who was a victim of human trafficking? I think not. This "human trafficking" term is a sham by the U.S. government to justify imposing their ridiculous morals on other countries and cultures throughout the world. In my travels I have seen many prostitutes who did not consider themselves victims. I don't think I have ever seen one who considered herself a victim. Yes it is the religous freaks and yes it is the feminazis who have banded together to save these "victims" who do not want to be saved. It makes me sick.


I have felt like the victim many times when i have been with these girls. :oops: :cry:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:56 am 
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Is there even one person out of the thousands of people on this board who has, at any time in any place, met a prostitute who was a victim of human trafficking?


They won't tell you if they are and you won't know it. They are scared beyond the level of scared that you've even encountered.

Obviously, you've not watched any of the documentaries on the subject. They'll make you sick to your stomach if there is even an once of compassion within you.

This isn't about taking anyone's CHOICE away. It is about reaching out to help those that want help, but don't know where to turn. An organization wants to help with no strings attached. I just don't see anything wrong with that. Sure, some mongers talk of helping, but is it ever with no strings attached? Anyone know any mongers that wants to take a girl off the street, send her to school, get her counseling and then turn her loose to find a partner her own age?

Oh, and it isn't the conservatives that want to EMPOWER women, it is the LIBBERS not the religious right.

I'm still amazed anyone would condemn what this group is trying to do.... help humans in need even if they only help ONE girl the effort is worth it to them.

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In my travels I have seen many prostitutes who did not consider themselves victims. I don't think I have ever seen one who considered herself a victim. Yes it is the religous freaks and yes it is the feminazis who have banded together to save these "victims" who do not want to be saved. It makes me sick.


A sad selection of words indeed.

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Obviously, you've not watched any of the documentaries on the subject. They'll make you sick to your stomach if there is even an once of compassion within you.

I can’t begin to tell you how many faults I find in you arguments.
First of all you place way too much faith in what you see on T.V.
Who do you think produces these “documentaries”? these are the same self-serving Folks who want to curtail the lifestyle we in the US have come to enjoy.
‘Don’t drive too much; you are killing the plant with “global warming!” If you are not a Christian, you must be a terrorist. You use wood; you are destroying the rainforests! You have more than 2.5 k*ds; you’re the cause of overpopulation. Don’t believe me, just watch the documentary!

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An organization wants to help with no strings attached. I just don't see anything wrong with that. Sure, some mongers talk of helping, but is it ever with no strings attached?


And you really believe that there are no “strings” attached? Please! Getting a religious Doctrine shoved down your throat and having to become a “convert” is quite a string In my book.
But believe me the last thing I need on this forum is a “Holier than Thou”
message from another monger!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:04 pm 
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When and if they round up all the putas and send them back. Life will go back to normal!

Prostitution has been in Costa Rica since the beggining of time. The only difference is that gringos have found a place to go to get away from the long arm of the controling Gringas and the empowerment! ( Girls rule boys drule bull crap) This upsets the Gringas and with their controling ways so they put presure on their goverment officals. Since the Goverment officals have lost their balls and the gringos have become trained like dogs they do what the gringas want. They back organizations that will try to shut down the little putas in CR.

Do you think that if it was not for the U.S. goverment backing these little organizations that prevent traficing they would servive?

Then the organizations go to CR and shut down prostitution (or try). If or when the CR falls to the knees of the little organization that are backed by the U.S. and the controlling gringas they will stop the flow of gringos to CR. Then the life will go back to normal for the putas and ticos!

Look at the state of Purto Rico? I remember when prostitution was normal there! Then the gringas were dismade that this was happening and they shut them down. Now it is all underground and prices tripled.

I think guys that if you really want to do somthing we need to start looking where your tax dollars go and voting against the gringas in the U.S. and maybe grow some balls! Stop the Hillerys of the world, and back the Bills! Just think if Bill had real balls maybe the white house would have had a disco ball! :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:08 pm 
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Just think if Bill had real balls maybe the white house would have had a disco ball! :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder if he has ever been to the "pink palace"? I bet he would enjoy :D .


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My opinion is these EMPOWERED women are being set up for a sucker punch by the conservative right.

and now the stage is set for the real reason for this approach...
Outlaw abortion...
The Libbers will scream lke hell, but their own " quotes " will be used against them....
slick... but the shortsighted idiots will fall for it.... pure Hegalian dialectic

I agree with you in part, Pidd...the fortunate thing is that liberal feministas are not a singular block, and there's a wide variety of opinion in those circles regarding prostitution. Take Camille Paglia, for example, pro porn, pro prostitution, etc. Additionally, liberal womens' groups have been instrumental in getting healthcare for working girls in the US and in 3rd world countries, helping to setup unions for strippers and s*x workers, providing contraception, information outreach.

It's been said that the outreach of these women's orgs has had an impact in lowering brith rates in 3rd world countries, and that's a good thing - and in direct contrasts to Bush's right-wing policies (i.e. drop funding if a 3rd world organization even mention the possibility of an abortion). So before anyone goes painting a single black swoossh of hated gringa-feministas, one has to see that they are doing some good work out there. But granted, there are some who will just dismiss p4p as partiarchal exploitation or some other nonsense.


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I have some liberal feminists in my family who think that abortion should be legal and should certainly be womens choice...yet back anti prostitution laws...which to me says...it should be a ladies choice to abort her Ch*ld, but not her right to use her body to make money. Somehow these rationalizations just cant be more contradictory. And now...as the tenant of this thread suggests...we have our bankrupt US government giving taxpayers money to fight prostitution in Jaco. How sick can it get? Jeesh...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:02 pm 
I'll never object to any organization attempting to help hookers no matter if the hookers are in CR, Brazil, Africa or in the USA.

Some of you are still saying that the US is trying to outlaw hooking in CR, however THAT IS NOT TRUE and nor is it true that the organizations are moving to making prostitution illegal.

HERE IS THE JUICE IN THE ARTICLE:
Predictably, the effort will involve an international agency, the 55-year-old International Organization for Migration. Also involved is Fundación Rahab, which provides temporary and permanent housing, education and job training to women who leave prostitution.

The name of the program is prevention, protection and attention to persons who are victims of trafficking in the Central Pacific region of Costa Rica.


What is wrong with this?

I don't like the situation in the USA regarding women anymore than you guys, but why would anyone object to saving those that truly want rescued?

I admit - very few are victims of trafficking in CR and so let's say there aren't any in CR, but let's say a few hookers want a way out. I'm glad such organizations are around to help them.

Full disclosure (horndog) there is a religous element to this:
http://www.fundacionrahab.org/eng/index.html

I don't see anything wrong with the religious part. If I were a hooker that wanted a way out, I wouldn't care where the help originates. Besides, the Catholic Church is strong in CR and some on here have talk about hooker going to church on Sunday. It isn't as if they have to be brainwashed - more people accept God and religion in CA than even the USA.

International Organiazation for Migration:
http://www.iom.int/jahia/jsp/index.jsp

IOM (Costa Rica):
http://www.iom.int/jahia/page453.html

If you read it, you'll see that trafficking is an issue in Costa Rica as well the world so while you complain about CR, CR isn't an isolated case, this is something that is of issue worldwide.

Counter-Trafficking:
http://www.iom.int/jahia/page748.html

Member States:
http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/cache/offonce/pid/636 (not just the USA)

THIS ARTICLE IS BIGGER THAN COSTA RICA - the same article could have been written for any country in the world.

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I have to agree with D2864. Even though I may be a hypocrite (sic), I would be happy to see any of the few girls I really care about as friends get out.


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Lesson number one in "How to stop hooking": When offered money for sex, say no!

Why do some people try to make this everyone else's problem?


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Would you rather ask "do you want fries with that sir?" for $600/month, or ask "you want company?" for much much more?

I know what I would do if I were them.

The real help they need with is to save some of this money, because they can't hook their whole life.


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"US will launch effort against Pacific Coast prostitution" is the first line of the article.How did we get to the saving of the whole world here? The article specificly targets Jaco because some businesses and investors think it will hurt them financially. I'm sure we could find a few chicas who are forced into prostitution, (I've persoanally never had an inkling of being with one) but if the percentages were above 1% I would be very surprised. If these do-gooders really want to help these chicas then instead of inducing them to leave the business,they should teach themthe value of the money they earn. A chica's successful hooking longgevity isn't too long. If they could help these chicas to stop 1.using drugs 2.stop drinking so much and 3. stop pissing away their money on gambling. The smart ones use this as an opportunity to live a better life by spending a few years doing it and saving their money.


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"US will launch effort against Pacific Coast prostitution" is the first line of the article.How did we get to the saving of the whole world here? The article specificly targets Jaco because some businesses and investors think it will hurt them financially. I'm sure we could find a few chicas who are forced into prostitution, (I've persoanally never had an inkling of being with one) but if the percentages were above 1% I would be very surprised. If these do-gooders really want to help these chicas then instead of inducing them to leave the business,they should teach themthe value of the money they earn. A chica's successful hooking longgevity isn't too long. If they could help these chicas to stop 1.using drugs 2.stop drinking so much and 3. stop pissing away their money on gambling. The smart ones use this as an opportunity to live a better life by spending a few years doing it and saving their money.

Couldn't agree more.

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...If these do-gooders really want to help these chicas then instead of inducing them to leave the business, they should teach them the value of the money they earn.....

IMHO, VB hit the nail on the head here. :!: :!: :!:

I'm sure that it's only a (very) small percentage of the chica's who are "forced" into this type of lifestyle. The overwhelming majority of girls do it by choice, because of the $$$$ MONEY! And, based on the average income level in CR, many of these girls are in the top 1%, when it comes to annual income. It doesn't take much to figure this out.

If someone had a sincere interest with helping these women, they should teach them how to save / invest their earnings, for the future. Because, we already know that (when it comes to "maximum earning potential") most P4P chica's have a very narrow window of opportunity, contingent on numerous variables. YMMV.

A penny saved is a penny earned...............:roll:

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