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Zman
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:53 am 
A few more things.....

Some of you guys always praise the many freedoms americans enjoy...but when someone exercises those freedoms(speaking out against the government) you guys cry foul.

And when those cherished freedoms are taken away you guys are quiet or actually support the removal of said freedoms.

I don't get the rational or logic of those attitudes.
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A long honored american tradition has been to be critical and question our government. Our country was founded based on those principals. Alas in the present atmosphere of intolerance and fear mongering this tradition is being stifled for political reasons. Many of our most cherished freedoms and values are being lost, one by one with barely a whimper of protest. What have we become as a nation because of 9/11?

The hollywood stars have every right as americans to express their views whether you like it or not. That is america.


Your point is taken. I disagree with it and believe you did not understand mine. So be it. :lol:

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Zman wrote:
A few more things.....

Some of you guys always praise the many freedoms americans enjoy...but when someone exercises those freedoms(speaking out against the government) you guys cry foul.

And when those cherished freedoms are taken away you guys are quiet or actually support the removal of said freedoms.

I don't get the rational or logic of those attitudes.


Ask my father when he came back from Vietnam and had people in San Diego throw rotten fruits and vegtables at him for fighting in the war.

Freedoms are not to be abused but cherished. Burning a flag and screaming against the goverment while a family is burying their son who died in Iraq is abuse not a proud celebration of a dear freedom.

Admin if I am causing a problem or starting a issue you do not wish to see then let me know and I will shut up.

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I blame those that commit horrible acts for the loss of freedom. I don't like the loss anymore than anyone else so how would you fix the problem Zman? :P

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Lets deal with facts, the only people who have protested at the funerals of the brave men and women who died in Iraq were some sort of extreme evangelical right wing group. Crazies.



Our country was founded on dissent. To disagree and critize the government is a long held american tradition. To do so is sometimes a duty. Now is one of those times.
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To disagree and critize the government is a long held american tradition.
Intelligent Constructive criticisms are good but mindless BS that gets too much air time might not be good for the whole. :D

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To disagree and critize the government is a long held american tradition.
Intelligent Constructive criticisms are good but mindless BS that gets too much air time might not be good for the whole. :D


I apologize for my mindless bs, and for taking the thread off course. I will refrain from continuing this topic. Thank You.

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Admin, I apologize for being in-appropriate in the matter of my topic.

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To disagree and critize the government is a long held american tradition.
Intelligent Constructive criticisms are good but mindless BS that gets too much air time might not be good for the whole. :D


And who is the one that decides? The thought police?..welcome to 1984......Admin, if this does not qualifiy as a political disucssion, I don't know what does...

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And who is the one that decides?
Well it isn't going to be me. Who in their right mind would want to be President anyway :wink: !

Ok that does it :evil: . I am turning myself in :lol: . Admin1 I am being too political & incorrect :lol: STop this thread before I phuck again. Staven did you do all this with your little old Commodore 64 & your 2 typing fingers??? :lol: :lol:

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Sorry about pissing people off, including you Zippy.

Maybe I am just nervous. I am at work and taking off to CR in less then 10 hours. First mongering trip. Yikes.

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Staven now look what you have done :lol: :lol: . You really got me PISSED :evil: :twisted: :lol: . You're going to CR without me! At least tell the Gulchitas I miss them, all of them :oops: .

Seriously have a great time & just enjoy while having eyes in the back of your head. Be sure & pack those 1000 mg capsules of Fukitol so you can really relax & forget about all the BS that goes on at home :shock: !

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And who is the one that decides?
Well it isn't going to be me. Who in their right mind would want to be President anyway :wink: !

Ok that does it :evil: . I am turning myself in :lol: . Admin1 I am being too political & incorrect :lol: STop this thread before I phuck again. Staven did you do all this with your little old Commodore 64 & your 2 typing fingers??? :lol: :lol:



THATis exaclty the point...In the American system (which I love dearly, and am proud and honored to be an American) the President is not supposed to decide..Thus, the problem.....It is in dictatorships that the leaders control the discourse on what is acceptable speach; and it is a Patriots responslbity to fight against such tendenies here, in our precious, precious democracy...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:46 pm 
i know the truth about 9-11, it makes me phucking sick. carlyle group , awol boy and buckshot will get whats coming to them :!: :!: :!: judgement day. pura vida :D
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You've lost me. what in the hell are you talking about?
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