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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:09 pm 
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Every now and then a member starts up a "gringas are all fat" post, and I have to agree, but whenever in the DR I see a lot of fat, ugly, old druken gringos sitting around drinking with their buddies, talking about how fat gringas are back in the states. I just smile. I'm not saying gringos are all like this but most of the ones I see in CR fit the above description. I see it, the chicas always comment on it.


TP speaking from the heart again... makes me smile.

Funny how fat guys can talk about fat women without any guilt... not funny, just weird.

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I hate to say this too loud but the Chicas have told me too many times for this too be funny anymore to me anyway! :evil: They say you are not a Gringo WHERE IS YOUR STOMACH! :twisted: Now fellows we should all do what makes us happy & die the way we choose to die but this is something they do characterize us by. The ones that come to the USA can't believe their eyes as they exclaim but the people here are SO ROUND!! I wish this wasn't true but it is! :evil: The reason you don't want to talk to loud is look at the Ticas now that Mcdonalds has come to town. They are behind us but catching up it seems but still all too easy to find that nice little spinner when needed. :P I really do think it is worth some time invested to keep ourselves fit as possible it sure makes the time with some of the young Ticas that have a lot of energy to them more worth the investment? :?

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Wow... Guess there was some interest in this thread. I was travelling today, or would have responded sooner.

First let me dispel some low-level crap, tossed my way:

No- I'm not a newbie. Been on this board/in CR for many months.
No- Not a troll, drive-by poster, etc.
No- not in love with any putas, pros, etc.
No- not a fake nickname
No- not a woman

On to the real meaning of this post:

You all have made great attempts to discredit me, flame, etc. and that's fine. But I still feel exactly the same, and am not convinced that any of you have better insight than I do.

Seems that some of you feel as long as your not drunk, yelling or physically abusive then that means your a gentlemen... well ok. If that works for you. I guess with such low standards for yourself... you're always prince.

Others feel that "hey this is business, don't fool yourself.. they're hookers"... well ok. If that works for you. But give business and you know what you get in return...? Business. I guess if $100 for a lousy mechanical screw works you, then that's fine by me. But I get more. Much more. For less. Much less.

I don't fault them for their chosen (?) profession, or leverage excuses to save $20.

To guy that said lots a guys gets tons of freebies and have their apartments cleaned, and enjoy lasting quality mutually-generous relationships, I say bullshit. You have no idea how little you get.

To the guy that said one day I'll get ripped off.. bullshit. Would've happened by now. But if I adapt his mindset, it'll happen tomorrow.

To pschman and his facecious therapy offer.. no thanks. I don't think you're as smart as you do.

To El Ciego- how is it that you can see so much more clearly than you're brethren? Not just because of your acceptance of my post/tone either.. Sending a dignified nod to class act.

And if anyone would rather not see me post here, just say so. 1 person tells me they'd rather not see my posts, and I'll never post again. I think PM is probably a better communication methodology for me anyhow.

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Lately, it seems lately there's more bad advice on this board than there is good advice. And bad gringo behavior everywhere. It's obvious from the posts... so many of you have it so wrong.

No wonder chicas steal your stuff, and charge you so much.. they hate you. You're nothing but a dollar bill to them. They have no respect for you, because of how you act.

But don't presume that they're that way with everyone.. they aren't. Actually its just that way with you.

I've learned that they hate the American male "I can have anything, because I'm paying for it" routine. It lacks class and sophistication.

I couldn't believe it when I read some guys 10 questions he asks Chicas.. one was will you lick my ass. This fucktard is asking someone he's only known for a few minutes to lick his ass??!! And then thinks she'll respect him??!! What a tool.

Also, the excessive negotiating.. that's no way to court a woman.

Try being suave. Tell a woman she's beautiful and act accordingly. Be a gentleman, take her dancing, buy dinner/drinks. Look into her eyes. Kiss her. Develop a respectful friendship.. you'll be amazed at how their behavior changes.

They think all aging American men are pigs.. try proving them wrong instead of proving them right.

I've gotten tons of freebies, have pros that visit me, spend the night, etc... have even left them at my place when I needed to leave. Nothing ever stolen. In fact, they cook for me and usually clean up my place before they leave. Treat them like a woman, and they act like a woman.. they love to serve good men. And love to have fun with cool guys.

Forget ALL about the fact that they're pros, and act like you're courting any other woman. You'll get real GFE for little or nothing.

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They are hookers, not girlfriends. In all reality, your paying for their services, not for their opinion.

Yes I always try to respect the girls, and I have a few that I call friends while Im down there. When it all comes down to it though, they know why your there, they know what you want, and they know what they have to do to earn money.

None of those girls have to be there. Its a VERY cruel business, and if you go into it thinking every guy is going to treat you with utmost respect, your wrong!

CRT members are the last group of guys you should be pointing the finger at. So what if someone has a special request. She's allowed to say no. What do you think your going to accomplish taking the girl back to your room and just doing whatever she wants.

If anything you should tell them everything you want, it will save your time and hers.

To say they hate Americans is another wrongful point. Ive had girls run up to me in the street and start talking to me, asking me where I live in the U.S ( even though I dont ), and such. They obviously didnt hate me.

Of course some of the girls in the DR arent going to like Americans. The whole world generalizes any white person into an American. Someone from Europe, or from Canada looks no different then someone from the U.S.

I could go and rip a girl off, and she'd claim all Americans are scammers etc, when in reality I was from Canada.

I think you've listened to way to much DR gossip. Those girls make up the most crazy stories anyone could imagine, and your dumb enough to listen to them


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YMMV wrote:
Lately, it seems lately there's more bad advice on this board than there is good advice. And bad gringo behavior everywhere. It's obvious from the posts... so many of you have it so wrong.

No wonder chicas steal your stuff, and charge you so much.. they hate you. You're nothing but a dollar bill to them. They have no respect for you, because of how you act.

But don't presume that they're that way with everyone.. they aren't. Actually its just that way with you.

I've learned that they hate the American male "I can have anything, because I'm paying for it" routine. It lacks class and sophistication.

I couldn't believe it when I read some guys 10 questions he asks Chicas.. one was will you lick my ass. This fucktard is asking someone he's only known for a few minutes to lick his ass??!! And then thinks she'll respect him??!! What a tool.

Also, the excessive negotiating.. that's no way to court a woman.

Try being suave. Tell a woman she's beautiful and act accordingly. Be a gentleman, take her dancing, buy dinner/drinks. Look into her eyes. Kiss her. Develop a respectful friendship.. you'll be amazed at how their behavior changes.

They think all aging American men are pigs.. try proving them wrong instead of proving them right.

I've gotten tons of freebies, have pros that visit me, spend the night, etc... have even left them at my place when I needed to leave. Nothing ever stolen. In fact, they cook for me and usually clean up my place before they leave. Treat them like a woman, and they act like a woman.. they love to serve good men. And love to have fun with cool guys.

Forget ALL about the fact that they're pros, and act like you're courting any other woman. You'll get real GFE for little or nothing.

Good luck.


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They are hookers, not girlfriends. In all reality, your paying for their services, not for their opinion.

Yes I always try to respect the girls, and I have a few that I call friends while Im down there. When it all comes down to it though, they know why your there, they know what you want, and they know what they have to do to earn money.

None of those girls have to be there. Its a VERY cruel business, and if you go into it thinking every guy is going to treat you with utmost respect, your wrong!

CRT members are the last group of guys you should be pointing the finger at. So what if someone has a special request. She's allowed to say no. What do you think your going to accomplish taking the girl back to your room and just doing whatever she wants.

If anything you should tell them everything you want, it will save your time and hers.

To say they hate Americans is another wrongful point. Ive had girls run up to me in the street and start talking to me, asking me where I live in the U.S ( even though I dont ), and such. They obviously didnt hate me.

Of course some of the girls in the DR arent going to like Americans. The whole world generalizes any white person into an American. Someone from Europe, or from Canada looks no different then someone from the U.S.

I could go and rip a girl off, and she'd claim all Americans are scammers etc, when in reality I was from Canada.

I think you've listened to way to much DR gossip. Those girls make up the most crazy stories anyone could imagine, and your dumb enough to listen to them



With som many posts in so little time, you must be an expert.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:29 pm 
I suspect you are not being completely honest YMMV. I mean, something had to spark this post and so far you've not said what really sparked it. Your words don't come without something "deep" prompting them and it has to do less with the bad advice you read here and more to do with your personal experience while in CR.

Unless you get honest, your initial thoughts and comments are somewhat of a mystery. We have part 2 of what you are thinking, but part 1 is missing.

Living in Costa Rica.... no doubt you can operate for far less than 100 dollars. If you got game, you can operate for free less the cost of dinner and drinks.


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I suspect you are not being completely honest YMMV. I mean, something had to spark this post and so far you've not said what really sparked it. Your words don't come without something "deep" prompting them and it has to do less with the bad advice you read here and more to do with your personal experience while in CR.

Unless you get honest, your initial thoughts and comments are somewhat of a mystery. We have part 2 of what you are thinking, but part 1 is missing.

Living in Costa Rica.... no doubt you can operate for far less than 100 dollars. If you got game, you can operate for free less the cost of dinner and drinks.


Hmmm nice post. Thinking...

Ok, here's the deal, here's what sparked the original post:

I feel fortunate to enjoy the relationships I do, but they aren't without work. For the most part I enjoy the process, but sometimes it's just hard work. The hardest part... convincing Ticas (read: putas) that I'm not like the (Many) other American men- on a quest to see how much I can get, (physically, emotionally) and how little I can give (financially, spiritualy, etc.)

Simple selfishness and a lack of class on the part of others has made my 'game' an uphill battle because the actions of others becomes common knowledge in places like the HDR and there is at least some truth behind all stereotypes.

Further, I don't buy the fact that CRT members are different than other 'visitors'. Rather, I think they're better informed, and supported than other guys, and so actually do more damage to our fragile reputation.

Here's what I'm really trying to say: Yes, it's legal. Yes, it's your right. No, it's not your fault they are where they are. And yes, they are hookers. BUT these do NOT release you from responsibility to be a great person. Clearly, there are social, financial and eduacational inequalities at work here, and to capitalize on this unlevel playing field is taking a low road. I advocate a higher road.. come on guys- give something back.. they are making the ultimate sacrifice a woman can make.. at least let/make them feel like a woman.


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Hey I am very happy you are back & really like to see you keep posting as this has been interesting & brought out some good points but I still don't think you are getting something as special as you believe. You say you’re not involved with a working chica but it does not add up SORRY this is the way it looks from my view point. If you tell us more maybe we could understand?? :P You see many men get more out of some of these Latinas than you paint with a broad stroke of your brush & may get much more than you? Not all Latinas steal stuff but many of us are not looking for a live in & that looks like maybe what you have found Or part time live in? I can only speak for myself & would like to see you post more but when I play in CR I look for fun & variety so it is hard to establish a lot of free time with them & have done some in the past but it is not my cup of tea to get deep into this type of women since we meet on the seedy side of this life. I put real effort into what I see as real women (which are very easy to find & establish things with) that have never worked P4P & these women I have never lost a thing from theft & only lost $20 in my whole life from theft to a P$P type as the only other one that stole from me got 3 condoms & she gave them back! :P

I pickup a tone from you that I know how to do this better than you Guys?? With the type of posting in such a broad negative way it makes you look rather trollish doesn't it? Why don't you share more with us & be constructive instead of so judgmental & negative?? (Yes I know I am judgmental like us all but....?)

What do you base your knowledge on one or two Latinas & how long have you lived in CR. This will let us know if it is more than a random sample you are basing all you so called facts or opinions on.

Keep posting if you are sincere. :wink:
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With so many posts in so little time, you must be an expert.
Remarks like this seem very uncalled for too me it is as if you want to flameout here for some reason but I hope I am wrong. :)

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The hardest part... convincing Ticas (read: putas) that I'm not like the (Many) other American men- on a quest to see how much I can get, (physically, emotionally) and how little I can give (financially, spiritualy, etc.)
Sorry but here again you have to be playing way to close to the gulch. If your were around a normal girl next door type many of them know very little about Gringos & you don't have to convince them about anything other than you are a nice genuine human being! :roll: Do you speak Spanish well?? This tells a lot about who you are communicating with.

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Simple selfishness and a lack of class on the part of others has made my 'game' an uphill battle because the actions of others becomes common knowledge in places like the HDR and there is at least some truth behind all stereotypes.
Hey I am not trying to be a prick but here again you say you are playing with P$P gals? And if we are so awful once they see how special & different & non selfish you are now I see why they are all over you (like they are not all over all of us)?

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Further, I don't buy the fact that CRT members are different than other 'visitors'. Rather, I think they're better informed, and supported than other guys, and so actually do more damage to our fragile reputation.
Just to make you think some more what do you think our #1 reputation is in CR anyway?? MAYBE MONEY??

Really your posting doesn't seem to be cohesive & lacks coordination other than I am better then you?

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great post Zippy!!


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Hey I am very happy you are back & really like to see you keep posting as this has been interesting & brought out some good points but I still don't think you are getting something as special as you believe.


Well, I can't prove this.. but I swear its true. I took a close look at what I wanted from these women. The answer GFE. Not GFE-like sex, but actual GFE. And thats what I get. I have a bunch of 'girlfriends' that give me pure and rich GFE experiences.

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You say you’re not involved with a working chica but it does not add up SORRY this is the way it looks from my view point.


Yeah, I can see how you'd reach that conclusion.. but again I swear. You can accept my word or not, but I pride myself on only expressing truth. I'm not in any sort of committed relationship with a puta, or otherwise. Recently divorced, and very light on my feet ever since.

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If you tell us more maybe we could understand?? :P


Here's the real deal:

I want it all. Hot sex, loving, caring, passion, etc... and from multiple partners. And I think it's very possible.

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You see many men get more out of some of these Latinas than you paint with a broad stroke of your brush & may get much more than you?

I suppose it's possible.. but haven't seen (or read here) any evidence to support that.


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Not all Latinas steal stuff but many of us are not looking for a live in & that looks like maybe what you have found Or part time live in?


No.. nothing of the sort. It's just that I live here, so I don't stay in hotels. I have a place, which is where I monger. Often, after a TLN, a chica will hang out, have breakfast, etc. That's all.

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I can only speak for myself & would like to see you post more but when I play in CR I look for fun & variety so it is hard to establish a lot of free time with them & have done some in the past but it is not my cup of tea to get deep into this type of women since we meet on the seedy side of this life. I put real effort into what I see as real women (which are very easy to find & establish things with) that have never worked P4P


Yeah, me too. I date lots of non-pros. But I don't think the line of distinction between the 'good girls' and 'bad girls' is that clear. And I find that if I treat them identically, I get identical results.


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I pickup a tone from you that I know how to do this better than you Guys??


I do think that. Sorry, but I think it's true. It's not that I know how to do it better, it's more like I've paid closer attention to what I RRReally want, and am becoming more sucessful at getting it, on a regular basis.

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With the type of posting in such a broad negative way it makes you look rather trollish doesn't it?


Yeah, probably does. But to be totally honest.. I'm not that concerned about how I'm perceived. Like I said, if anyone doesn't want me to continue posting.. even 1 person, I won't continue. Until then... enjoy, or flame, or maybe learn something.

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Why don't you share more with us & be constructive instead of so judgmental & negative?? (Yes I know I am judgmental like us all but....?)


Ok. I'll give that a shot. My next post will be called "The BFE- how and why."

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What do you base your knowledge on one or two Latinas & how long have you lived in CR.


Lived here in CR going on 1 year. Have probably slept with half of the HDR... or at least it feels that way. Also, been to many MPs, etc.

And I've seen many of you (CRT'ers).. you don't know who I am, but I know who lots of you are. Not anti-social or anything, it's just that I prefer the company of women to the company of men. Never a wingman, tour, poker tourney, etc. I did, however, attend the Superbowl at SL.


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With so many posts in so little time, you must be an expert.
Remarks like this seem very uncalled for too me it is as if you want to flameout here for some reason but I hope I am wrong. :)


Check the last line of his post.. the guy called me dumb, which is fine.. but I think he's a loudmouth, with little to say. The rest of his post confirmed that we won't see eye to eye, so didn't merit my response.


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The hardest part... convincing Ticas (read: putas) that I'm not like the (Many) other American men- on a quest to see how much I can get, (physically, emotionally) and how little I can give (financially, spiritualy, etc.)
Sorry but here again you have to be playing way to close to the gulch. If your were around a normal girl next door type many of them know very little about Gringos & you don't have to convince them about anything other than you are a nice genuine human being! :roll: Do you speak Spanish well?? This tells a lot about who you are communicating with.


I speak.. I dunno.. 70% Spanish. I can usually understand everything someone says, and can respond.. although often with minor errors. All of my friends are Tico, Columbian or Nica. I speak Spanish everyday. Visit the gulch when I don't have anything better to do, which really isn't that often.




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Simple selfishness and a lack of class on the part of others has made my 'game' an uphill battle because the actions of others becomes common knowledge in places like the HDR and there is at least some truth behind all stereotypes.
Hey I am not trying to be a prick but here again you say you are playing with P$P gals? And if we are so awful once they see how special & different & non selfish you are now I see why they are all over you (like they are not all over all of us)?


I'm not certain that I understand your point.. but I think I do. I give more than just money and get more than just sex.

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Just to make you think some more what do you think our #1 reputation is in CR anyway?? MAYBE MONEY??[/


Yep. Money, perversion and low self-respect. I've heard it so many times.


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Good reply YMMV.

I think the difference between you and the rest of us is that you have time to hunt for P$P types that are somewhat more sincere than most others. You have time, because you live there.

Most of us can't compete or relate since we don't live there. We have to come to town, play the game without getting played ourselves and then exit.

Bottom line - you can't expect us to play the same game you play. Think in terms of a football game - your game just keeps going, you are still in the first quarter, our quarter last for 15 minutes and then we have to go home for a freakin long time before starting the next 15 minute quarter. By the time we return to the game, it is so old, we have to start over. It just isn't fair... I'm about to start crying... see what you've done to me! :)


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YMMV,

THIS IS MY FAVORITE QUOTE OF YOURS!!
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And I've seen many of you (CRT'ers).. you don't know who I am, but I know who lots of you are. Not anti-social or anything, it's just that I prefer the company of women to the company of men. Never a wingman, tour, poker tourney, etc. I did, however, attend the Superbowl at SL.
I think this is very smart on your part I believe because so many people will throw a monkey wrench in your life for little to no reason at all. 8) I do the same as well but I try not to think of myself as better than everyone else since non of us are perfect! :P

Hope you stay around as you add another dimension we need on this board & happy you seem sincere with your attitude at least you are being honest saying what you feel. I use to be some what this way when I found this board but I see little need to inflame anyone with too harsh of an attitude. Maybe you just ran into some CRT guys that pissed you off we all have our issues. One thing I believe if I was living there like you is I would have so many Latinas so far away form the gulch that I would only go by for a drink with the guys & have little use for P$P.

Also remember something we come to play & party hardy you live there so these two are different mind sets all together but we should still all act like civil adults treating people with common respect & this theme is all over this forum!

You can add a lot here if you wanted I am sure but right now you seem to have a chip on your shoulder like I will leave if just one guy wants me to. Just relax & join in CRT does offer a few insights here & there. You never know you may need someone for some help someday or just to bounce ideas around with why through that away for an attitude? Your MOVE. :lol: :D

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I think the difference between you and the rest of us is that you have time to hunt for P$P types that are somewhat more sincere than most others. You have time, because you live there.

Most of us can't compete or relate since we don't live there. We have to come to town, play the game without getting played ourselves and then exit.

Bottom line - you can't expect us to play the same game you play. Think in terms of a football game - your game just keeps going, you are still in the first quarter, our quarter last for 15 minutes and then we have to go home for a freakin long time before starting the next 15 minute quarter. By the time we return to the game, it is so old, we have to start over.


Very true.

But just imagine if the goal of every CRT monger experience was to transcend basic P4P sex.

(...Instead of to get the best deal)

I think everyone would agree that "Wham bam thank you chica" sex isn't all that great. The rush (if any) quickly fades. Whereas the total GFE seems to make life worth living. I believe that GFE's aren't found.. they're made. By us. Provide a BFE, receive a true GFE. Seems simple enough... and even possible for a visitor.

And CR is a tiny country. If all 6,000 of us took this new approach, I believe the P4P experience there would drastically change for the better. We, and the chicas would benefit.. alot, and add real value and broaden the scope of these short relationships.


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I think everyone would agree that "Wham bam thank you chica" sex isn't all that great. The rush (if any) quickly fades. Whereas the total GFE seems to make life worth living. I believe that GFE's aren't found.. they're made. By us. Provide a BFE, receive a true GFE. Seems simple enough... and even possible for a visitor.

And CR is a tiny country. If all 6,000 of us took this new approach, I believe the P4P experience there would drastically change for the better. We, and the chicas would benefit.. alot, and add real value and broaden the scope of these short relationships.


OK now you are being of service here & I agree with all this & this makes a lot of sense!! It is simple everyone is better off if everyone shares in the happiness it is that simple but try too get everyone on this same page is next too impossible with Gringos from A thru Z going many with alcohol, drug & other outstanding issues. Nice Dream though! :wink: Doesn't mean a few of us can't reap these rewards & I believe many here have found this also.

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YMMV,

I agree that you can make a GFE experience if the right situation is present. But if the basic physical attraction and chemistry isn't reciprocated from the beginning, no matter how hard you try, you're probably not going to get the GFE experience.

I've had sessions where I eventually realized the girl was not into me or I wasn't her type, whatever. I think we all have experienced that. If you think not, you must either be a really really sexy bitch or you are fooling yourself. It can still be good, but you're getting the type of GFE you are looking for in that situation.


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