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Hand-Solo wrote:



As in any business, and never forget these girls are in business, those who adapt to changing market forces survive. Those that stubbornly refuse to change do not.

Similarly mongers who adapt to the changing environment at the Presidente will continue to enjoy staying there and those who resist the rules will wander away and find accommodations that are better suited to their needs.

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Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four
essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

I fail to see the connection between the “ugly American” syndrome happening occasionally in the hotel and whether a chica's belly-button may be showing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUtj_YnNoY

Curious .... how does this policy impact Paco and the "gals that look like guys" he brigs in?

He PacoLoco you should do what Im going to do and get some of these:
http://www.disposable-garments.com/tyvek_disposable_lab_coats.htm

Then you can at least pass off you chicas that look like guys off as Dr Phil

I'm bringing a leather jacket for my biker girls
On the back it says "If you can read this Paco fell off"

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No more money for the Presidente, xxxx them is my only reply to them

It does seem to me that for the most part the guys that are screaming the loudest about this are the ones who are newest to the CR scene or guys whose only reason for joining CRT was for the ability to save a few dollars from their hotel bill. I hope these guys DO voice their complaint by taking their business elsewhere. Not that I think for one moment that will have a significant enough impact to make the Presidente rethink its policy. Rather, I'd like to see that because maybe now I might actually be able to get a room at the Prez without having to reserve months in advance. Also, if the guys that move elsewhere are the same type of guys who would make a huge and loud ruckus late at night in the lobby of the Prez rather than simply nicely trying to get the manager to "let this one slide, since you weren't aware of their new policy" or even just going up to my room to get a shirt she could wear over her outfit if that effort failed, well I'm glad to see them go. It is that type of monger that is giving all the rest of us a bad name and makes me less inclined to be part of the gulch scene these days.

GET REAL. We live in a world, guys, that is not so broadminded about our little "hobby" as we would like them to be. Unless you're willing to sleep in a outright brothel like the HDR, you're going to have to mix to some degree with regular tourists. And it is far simpler and painless to not rock the boat or draw unnecessary attention to what we do. In other words even if the Prez had not instituted this policy we should have strived to behave in as much decorum as possible ON OUR OWN when staying there. The fact that a few bad eggs did not, on top of the growing number of obvious tarts that we paraded through the lobby, led the Prez to react (or perhaps over-react) to the situation and we are ALL now paying the price. If this policy drives those troublemakers elsewhere (or guys who feel they have some sort of entitlement to behave anyway they want) while leaving the more reasonable guys who won't mind making this compromise, then the Prez policy will have acheived EXACTLY what it set out to do.

Well, first of all, let me introduce myself. I am a long time visitor of San Jose'. I've been going there since 1994, have lived near there, and I remember staying at the Presidente in it's "leaner" (and grungier) years, way before the News Cafe...

I am against "ugly Americans" behaving like drunken idiots, mongering or not mongering.

I have never made any kind of "scene" at the Presidente, nor at the Morazan, not even at the Gran Via. I simply prefer to discreetly bring a girl back to my room, and discreetly escort her back to the club afterwards.

So, while I may be a new member here, I am not new to the Presidente, I am not new to San Jose', and I am not new to bringing girls back to my room there.

As to the dress code, I still insist it is bullshit. It seems to me that the meeting about it accomplished nothing; not that it really probably could have, as it seems they have made up their mind.

What it really is, is selective discrimination which gives them the ability to hassle a guest or his invited guest just because they don't like him or her's looks, or because there are an unusual amount of family types in the hotel that particular day so they will clamp down and keep the girls from the Del Rey out.

I think it is a policy which says they really want to cut back on renting rooms to single guys and their invited guests. I am willing to bet anyone who wants to bet, that within a year they will not allow Del Rey girls at all, IF their business continues to be good with families and couples.

I sitll recommend people write them polite, inttelligent e-mails via their web site e-mail form, and complain about this new policy, as individuals, not as CRT members. I think their policy, as stated, is ridiculous.:
-Avoid low-cut clothing
-Avoid extremely short skirts or shorts
-Keep midriffs covered

What the hell is wrong with a midriff or a bit of cleavage? How many gringas staying there will be wearing extremely short skirts or shorts or a bikini style top at some time during their stay? But they will say nothing to them. This is just the hotel's way of saying, "We are going to refuse entry to anyone we don't like the looks of, especially Del Rey girls, at any time, for any reason".

While they are within their rights to do it, it is not a friendly policy to us or the Del Rey girls.

Miguel Blanco wrote:



Works for the Gran Hotel Costa Rica so maybe that is the method to the madness for the Presidente however I do not think that is there grand plan.

However if it is the plan the loser is not the hotel but the mongers who enjoyed staying there.

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Pura Vida
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four
essential food groups:
alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat.
Alex Levine

Theres no telling how much dough they've made off of mongers over the years. I don't think they would have made squat from us if it weren't for the chicas. News Cafe , yes. Prez , no. We come there primarily for the girls so infact, the hotel benefits from having them around. I'd atleast like to hear someone over there admit the damn truth! Which is that our chosen guests are responsible for that place making a helluva lot of money. Plus look & smell better than any eco-tourist that has ever slinked thru thier lobby. It's really a slap in the face to the girls as well as many of us to have such an inconsistantly enforced , assenine policy in place. Yes we are free to go elsewhere. We are also free to voice are complaints about anything we don't like. Things may be good now, but who knows, they may some day realize that thumbing thier noses at frequent visitors wasn't such a smart move.

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I hope Admin 1 and/or others will push for the Prez to have a coat rack near the entrance, and any girl dressed "inappropriately" will be loaned a long coat that will cover her from neck to knees.

This could be loaned for a deposit, the deposit given back when the girl leaves.

This would prevent any uptight guests from being offended by the girls cleavage ("Oh my gawd, dear! That woman is showing CLEAVAGE! Dios Santo!") or ass-cheeks [no, they don't ever show ass cheeks on tv or on billboards]... and would prevent any monger from being refused entry with his chosen guest.

Problem solved. Simple. Easy. A win-win situation for all involved.

Why wouldn't they implement this?

Miguel Blanco,
I don't think that's going to happen. It there job to run a hotel not to have a Chicas Cover Up service at the front gate.

Hell maybe I'll start that with my disposibles coats.

"HAZEL'S Chica Cover Coats" with or without the "No Cien" logo.

I can not believe this thread. They own the hotel and make rules that are seen to be beneficial for their business. Customers that think differently should go elsewhere.....very simple.
They accept the mongerer because it fits their business plan at present but they are placing restrictions. I do the very same thing in the restaurant business.

Twarag,
They may make the rules but that doesn't mean they aren't open to suggestions. Do you think they thought up the idea of a CRT discount on their own or that it resulted from Admin approaching them with the idea.

I actually made a similar suggestion to what Miguel just described on another board and I don't think it would be a bad idea to at least suggest something like that as a possible compromise. You compared it to the restaurant business. That's EXACTLY the analogy that I used. Don't fancy restaurants that require coat and tie usually have one or two loaner coats and ties (usually ugly smelly ones) that they can provide to inappropriately attired guests? Don't many restaurants have cloakrooms where customers can leave their coats when they arrive (in this case they would leave their coats when they go out and pick them up when they come back)? So this idea is not so farfetched. The slight inconvenience that any of those ideas would add would be far less significant than the real possibility of losing those customers altogether.

If it were really that much trouble they could even charge a small fee for that service, as Miguel suggested. If they were really trying to discourage our business altoghether, they'd probably have started to charge chica fees but they haven't. Maybe they won't mind providing this as a free service to minimize loss of business. Or maybe they'll charge for loaner coats but not for bringing back well dressed chicas as a way to encourage us to bring back only the more well dressed girls and thus indirectly encourage the girls to bring their own covers.

Another suggestion that was made was to restrict enforcement of the policy to the daytime and early evening hours (and for TLN's the early morning when they leave) when civilian guests were more likely to be around rather than applying it equally to when one returns to an empty lobby at 2AM. I'm sure if we put our heads together we could come up with even more and possibly better suggestions, one or more of which MIGHT be acceptable to the management at the Prez. They might dismiss them all out of hand, but thats not for us to do.

Obviously they're not about to rescind this policy altogether, at least not in the short term, but maybe if we present constructive ideas that show we're willing to work with them to find a solution that will satisfy all concerned rather than simply demanding that they reverse their decision completely and threatening to take our business elsewhere if they don't, we might have more success.

I think a lot of this will wind up being moot. We consider the inconvenience, irritation and possible embarassment to ourselves of being turned away at the door but consider the embarassment and shame to the chica to be told "you look like too much of a slutty whore to be allowed in here" (even if she really is a slutty whore). Nobody want to be told that or have it rubbed in their face. Let this happen once or twice to each girl and they will ALL start carrying shawls and we won't need any loaner coats.

Simple solution. Build our own hotel!