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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:59 pm 
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I'm not totally bitter, but just wiser from just 3 trips to CR and the many stories about the fact that it is all about the money in CR. Too many mongers start to think these girls "care" and they don't so I have no problem with standing up to even the attempted ripoff. At first I liked the HDR and didn't like the ZB, but as Dapanz1 said "the end is the same" so I'm sort of sold on the ZB at this point.


Okay, here is my two cents; Chicas have the right to negotiate the best price for them and lots of not so astute gringos think that the prices start at one hundred and go up. So the girls get used to asking for it.

To me, most of the novelty of a trip to the Del Ray or KL wore off a long time ago. Still and all, hanging out with CRTers is fun and the availability of chicas is nice, I don't mind chatting with the girls, if they are nice. I always try to negoitate a fair price based on the true going rate and I believe in tipping for good service. If a girl comes across with an attitude, I avoid her at all costs, as it will usually transfer to what transpires later.

I was recently with a buddy and a chica joined us who wasn't so hot, but she was really nice and spent a lot of time with him, trying to do a deal, but also being friendly and telling us lots of valuable gossip about different locals and the experience was very informative to say the least. Anyway, arguing with the chicas or getting mad is pointless, it is best just to move on.

As far as guys getting wrapped up in the experience, it normally always ends the same way, with the guy getting way too involved and getting burned in the end. But that happens in the states as well. :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:36 pm 
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Orange:

Sarcastic yes but in a constructive way. The idea is to teach you to look through someone else's window. Theoretical situation: let's say you work for a large company in a small town you and your fellow employees on the average make twice as much as any other worker in your town. One day the owner of your company calls you altogether and tells you that he has discovered just how much more you make them everyone else in town. He considers this extremely unreasonable and has decided to cut all of your pay in half. Why should you make more than everyone else. What do you think that will do to the attitude of your fellow workers?


This is something to think about. I have always agreed that we should not overpaying but at the same time had tried to be the voice of moderation. Guys we talk way too much about this. Yes the members of this group are not the only people that go to Costa Rican but the numbers are growing and all the talk about price is having an effect. I'm just saying make sure what you're asking for is what you want because you may get it.

I'm going to test my model on my next trip. That will be to Panama City.

My apologies to the three or four of you that sent me personal messages in the last hour. I accidentally cleaned out my mailbox. If the message was anything other than telling me to go to hell please resend your message.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:46 pm 
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TimBones,

Good to see you post again & I ditto what you said.

Lee, I Hope you are right about your theories on the Chicas but lets don't run them all off so maybe you should sent some kind of care package to all these depressed ones?? :lol: :lol: Just kidding! :P :wink: But you really maybe on to something as many over my last 3 trips have been on the rag about business being bad. Many guys I notice are getting more selective & disciplined about who they go with & many men I see only drink & BS & never go with anyone. :shock: I do like to see our pond well stocked so when we do cast the old pole out there we catch what we want. Also I see these Panamanians working HDR so if it is so good in Panama, I wonder but maybe they do it in CR to keep it all secret. Will be anxious to here about your results when you come back from Panama! :wink:

Good to see a little more reality check with some of the CRTers here & not falling into trouble with these fantasy or phantom relationships. Just don't know why guys try to make something that seems real, feels real into real because it ain't real period. Most of the time it isn't real with a none working women that is close to our own age sooooooooooooo?????

We are all just actors too me fulfilling & acting out our fantasies just enjoy to the fullest & be wise about it. These Chicas should get jobs in the Native Soap Operas since they seem to receive a diploma in acting skills at the University of HDR. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:14 am 
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I should amend what I said earlier, namely that a free market works regardless of intelligence or education, and a girl will find her pricing niche based on negotiations. What all economists also know, however, is that a free market is not a level playing field unless both parties have access to the same information. The classic example is buying a used car--the buyer knows that the seller has more information about the condition of the car, so the buyer will tend to offer less that the car is worth, to account for unknown deficiencies. Does this apply to freelancers at the DR?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:40 am 
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Cbea20 wrote:
I should amend what I said earlier, namely that a free market works regardless of intelligence or education, and a girl will find her pricing niche based on negotiations. What all economists also know, however, is that a free market is not a level playing field unless both parties have access to the same information. The classic example is buying a used car--the buyer knows that the seller has more information about the condition of the car, so the buyer will tend to offer less that the car is worth, to account for unknown deficiencies. Does this apply to freelancers at the DR?

Cbea,
I have a B.S. (how appropriate :lol: ) in economics, that is my undergrad degree, and I have learned that you can't apply economic theories to the chica's business practices. They don't act "rationally" (economically speaking) most of the time.

Then again, they don't act rationally in other ways as well. :D


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Hanging with the gals, I have seen that ALL of them (well 99.9999%) at one time or another have had some guy pay them 100. I swear I have seen winners of VBs who would phuck that go with a guy for 100.

So the question is once a gal gets someone to pay 100, why not ask all the guys? Now if she isnt working and their are financial pressures to bring something home, she may lower her prices.

The Handy maids daughter works the DR. She has went WEEKS without working ... why?


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Timbones...you have eloquently said just how I feel.
D2864 or whatever your number is, haha, (I thought they only use numbers instead of names in jail) Now that you have stated entirely different positions (but not attitudes) I think my problem with your posts is all about RESPECT. Listen to Aretha Franklin sing sometime and you will understand what I mean.
Lee... If you are going to Panama for mongering,I think you are making a mistake. I have been there twice and, IMHO (OK not so humble) Panama doesn't hold a candle to CR or Colombia. I haven't been to Golden Times BUT what's the big deal about a MP with nice chicas that charges $85/hour. The number of mongering venues,and the number of available working chicas pales in comparison to CR. My first trip I found just one chica in four days that was acceptable to me. (and my standards were declining each day) I had to pay her $100 for slightly more than an hour. My second trip I gave up looking and called a chica that I know from her coming to CR to work. Oh well, the Canal is a nice tourist attraction.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:29 am 
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I'm going to share a theory that I was thinking of the other day regarding price. Even though we want the best price, I can understand the different girls mentalities. And these are just some things I've encountered, heard, etc. The girls that give the good prices that we like I have generally found to be the girls that have resigned themselves to being prostitutes and probably don't see any end to it in the future- the lifers.

A lot of the girls I have encountered that are the really top notch talent, and also command the higher prices have this mentality of not wearing their p**ssy out. In other words, they either see themselves doing this as a means to an end. Make enough money in a few years to do something else or stay in just long enough to snag a husband that will give them a good lifestyle. Yes, and I've suggested this before, any girl that is halfway decent can make $1000 per week if she is willing to work that ass and go as many times as possible. Let's say a typical girl would drop that price to $60. She starts early, goes with two guys for an hour during the course of the night. $120. Then it is still early enough for her to snag an all nighter for $100 - $150. And at that price, their are lots of 6-7's that would stay busy. BUT, that's a lot of sex on a regular basis to get that money. No real point, just something i was thinking about.


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That 50,000c track is what made the whole system work. Congratulations... you may have just shot the golden goose to save yourself the price of a chicken dinner......

Time for me to throw myself into this quagmire......

Lee, If you honestly think that CRT has had a serious impact on the abundance of chica's in the Del Rey, or that our "No Cien" mantra has made the slightest difference in "the overall picture" at the HDR, then (IMHO) you are SORELY MISTAKEN!!!

Although there may be damn near 6,000 CRT members, we are only a very very very very very small fraction of the gringos visiting the HDR. There are literally thousands and thousands of guys who visit the HDR every year, most of them have never heard of CRT. And for most of them, paying CIEN for an hour of unspeakable pleasure from a young, beautiful Latina is a hell of a bargain. Besides that, many of the CRT members won't even go the the HDR in search of a chica, due to the numerous other venues throughout town.

My friend......it's all about supply and demand. We demand it, and they supply it. Noone here is "shooting the golden goose". It always has been, and it always will be.....supply and demand. This factor of business has been around long before our time, and will be around long after we're all gone.

Sorry...... but I don't make the rules.....! :?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:44 pm 
Just for the record VB, my level of being rude is equivalent to an eye roll and putting on a sour face and asking what makes you worth more than a 100 dollars and depending on the answer I might have to laugh at her because it could actually be a funny response. How rude could one really be in the HDR without causing a scene which I stated before?

To date, I've not had anyone ask for more than 100 though they asked for 100 exactly and my response is always that I never pay more than 60 and then the game begins.

So far, all of my dealings with chicas have been great.

As for my attitude - read my trip report from the last trip. I got tired of the HDR and I've just not recovered from it yet . 10 days of being in bars and living in a hotel just isn't me so it got to me and is still affecting my attitude toward the whole game.

As for as respect goes, in general I'm very PRO chica, but chicas aren't perfect just as gringas aren't perfect so I won't pretend that under all circumstances that all chicas deserve respect. There are good chicas and bad chicas, but we lock up valuables around chicas because most chicas are...... what?????


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Right on!!!! No problem here


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Well said Mikey-B and it is nice to be square VB!!


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You see guys the girls are getting depressed their once fabled money tree seems to be drying up... In short: the bad attitude comes from the lack of income. Lee
Can I throw something else into your theory?
What about the new group in the mix which may play a big part in all this- the guys that are paying 150-200/session or 300-400+/day for chicas. Last trip, I know one chica that claimed she got 150.00 for a 20 minute session and after that refused to take less than 100.00. so she sits on her 100.00 price and on her ass all day and gets a bad attitude waiting & hoping for another big spender to come along. Then you have all the other chicas HEARING about some chicas making these big scores, and they get a bad attitude because they can't land a whale but instead have to settle for us cheap bastards and our 30k. So my theory is all the guys paying excessively OVER 100.00 are to blame for the chicas bad attitudes. Bastards. :lol:

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though Paco ... it keeps them "fresher" by not having to screw so many low ballers :) jk

Seriously .... We need a university econ guy to chart the optimum price point for each chica ... some may be $20, others $200

Try that for a govt grant! ;)


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So my theory is all the guys paying excessively OVER 100.00 are to blame for the chicas bad attitudes. Bastards. :lol:


I think we all agree on that, and we can all agree that it's pretty much out of our control. They will keep paying the $150/hr, and will keep making us look cheap.


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