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ETHICS..... :shock:

WHAT ETHICS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... :? :?

KANT...MILLS...ARISTOLE :wink:

Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) :idea:

John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) :?:

Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) :!:

MAYBE BEFORE SPEAKING I WILL JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF WHAT KANT HAD SAID..... :idea:

The mind could be a tabula rasa, a "blank tablet," :idea:

PLAIN ENGLISH: MAN DOES NOT THINK WITH HIS BIG HEAD, BUT HIS LITTLE ONE... :P :P :P

:arrow: An analytic proposition is one in which the predicate is contained in the subject, as in the statement “Black houses are houses.” The truth of this type of proposition is evident, because to state the reverse would be to make the proposition self-contradictory. :wink:

PLAIN ENGLISH... SHE WAS FAIR GAME.... :x :x :x

WANT MORE.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Damn..........this is DEEP!

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Ah, a fellow who has taken post-writing lessons fromZippy, "The King of Emoticons."

And obviously someone who paid attention in his freshman Ethics 101 class at college...proud of you, Junior. :P You actually remembered that garbage. :lol:

Now, I don't understand, and i hope you will clarify.

Are you saying the behavior outlined in this thread's original post was acceptable?

Oh, by the way... Postulate this. :P
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ETHICS..... :shock:

WHAT ETHICS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... :? :?

KANT...MILLS...ARISTOLE :wink:

Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) :idea:

John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) :?:

Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) :!:

MAYBE BEFORE SPEAKING I WILL JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF WHAT KANT HAD SAID..... :idea:

The mind could be a tabula rasa, a "blank tablet," :idea:

PLAIN ENGLISH: MAN DOES NOT THINK WITH HIS BIG HEAD, BUT HIS LITTLE ONE... :P :P :P

:arrow: An analytic proposition is one in which the predicate is contained in the subject, as in the statement “Black houses are houses.” The truth of this type of proposition is evident, because to state the reverse would be to make the proposition self-contradictory. :wink:

PLAIN ENGLISH... SHE WAS FAIR GAME.... :x :x :x

WANT MORE.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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IMMANUEL KANT
"What is Enlightenment?" :lol: :lol: :lol:

“Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity.”


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Damn..........this is DEEP!


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:idea: Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another.
This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but
lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. :lol: :P :lol:


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motto of enlightenment is therefore: :arrow: Sapere aude!

Have courage to use your own understanding!


Ps: it's Ethics 2630 8) 8) 8)

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:arrow: El Ciego obviously someone who paid attention in his freshman Ethics 101 class at college...proud of you, Junior. You actually remembered that garbage. :wink:

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ETHICS..... :shock:

WHAT ETHICS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... :? :?

KANT...MILLS...ARISTOLE :wink:

Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) :idea:

John Stuart Mill (1806-1873) :?:

Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) :!:
We were talking about situational ethics as it applies to some of the real life issues that we as mongers face and not some abstract philosophical concepts that most people who read it don't seem to understand. If you want to list great philosophers of ethical issues what about: Spinoza, Hobbes, Sartre, Nietzsche et al. They are all more compatible with the mongering lifestyle. For example Nietzsche believed, among other things that:
    Conventional morality is a crutch to man
    Social conformity should not hold us back
    The interests of others should not restrain us
    We should be passionate beings
    Masculinity, strength and passion are the highest qualities in a person
    We have free will
    There is no God
As long as you're throwing out random philosophical babble, how about these?
"God is dead" - Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead" - God
They have as much relevance.

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MAYBE BEFORE SPEAKING I WILL JUST REMIND EVERYONE OF WHAT KANT HAD SAID..... :idea:

The mind could be a tabula rasa, a "blank tablet," :idea:

PLAIN ENGLISH: MAN DOES NOT THINK WITH HIS BIG HEAD, BUT HIS LITTLE ONE... :P :P :P
Actually it was Thomas Aquinas who first proposed the tabula rasa theory in the 13th century and John Locke who fully developed the idea 400 years later. And what it means in plain english has nothing to do with the absence of rationality but the plain and simple fact that we are born a blank slate, ie without any rules and that our mind develops based purely on our sensory experiences (actually there is such a thing as "a priori" knowledge as well), ie the slate does not remain blank. We are what we make ourselves. Basically, all this is about is free will. We are not necessarily a slave to our own passions unless we choose to allow ourselves to be. In fact, what you suggest is the freedom of anarchy but what your buddy Kant talked about was the freedom of conscious self governance based on reason.

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:arrow: An analytic proposition is one in which the predicate is contained in the subject, as in the statement “Black houses are houses.” The truth of this type of proposition is evident, because to state the reverse would be to make the proposition self-contradictory. :wink:

PLAIN ENGLISH... SHE WAS FAIR GAME.... :x :x :x:
You really love Kant, don't you? This is from his "Critique of Pure Reason". This is actually Logic 101 rather than Ethics 101. But explain to me how you go from "black houses are houses" to "she was fair game". The first IS an ANALYTIC proposition and therefore true but "She was fair game" is a SYNTHETIC proposition. The truth of the former can be determined by the very meaning of the words employed but the truth of the latter can only be determined based on the facts of the world. "A black house is a house" is analytic and therefore true but is it ALWAYS nececessarily true that "a house is black" or "a chica is fair game"? Clearly not. The only way to know whether a particular one is or not is to go out and see for yourself.

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IMMANUEL KANT
"What is Enlightenment?" :lol: :lol: :lol:

“Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity.”

Mikey-B wrote:
Damn..........this is DEEP!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

:idea: Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. :lol: :P :lol:

The motto of enlightenment is therefore: :arrow: Sapere aude!

Have courage to use your own understanding!
Now that quote definitely was Kant (well, except for the emoticons- I don't remember seeing any of those in his writings). However, maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how looking up quotes in a book that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand and wildly throwing them out in this thread demonstrates either understanding of what they mean or the ability to do it without the guidance of others. :? :? :?

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WANT MORE.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
In plain english? No. Do you? Does anyone here? I doubt it. We could all go to a philosophy forum if we wanted that.


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Right on!

Now for some more pertinent philosophy:

"Let's do it."
- Ruffnuts

"I've done it once, but that's enough."
- Nucknfuts

"Damned if I'm going to go through this shit again. I need a drink."
-Circus

"No chick is ugly with my d*ck in her mouth."
- Unknown

"He who laughs last, didn't immediately get the joke."
- Unknown

"Deny everything"
"Careless Toddy" Wadsplatter

"Cien"
- Maria Teresa Tocabolas

"Do not send money."
- Lee

"Pura vulva"
- L. C. Eggo

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NO GOD…… :shock:

Then who the (CENSORED) am I praying to when the POL-ICE pull me over????

I’m shocked…… :shock: :shock:



Wait my coffee needs more Gin……. :shock: :shock: :shock:



Well I must say….I stand corrected……



But no GOD……Is there no Santa Claus also…… :x :x :x


Wait there is …… :arrow: Oh never mind…….


But no GOD??????

I have to have another drink…..
:P :P :P


Ps: While we pondered Ethics, this Chica stuffed not only her her pockets also.... So much for ETHICS...
DO YOU THINK SHE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ethics. :twisted:

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Oh (Censored) I have to run with this ball!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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There was an incident amongst a couple of CRT members last night at the DR, that without using names, needs some discussion here. I have never seen a discussion like this before. Just what type of behavior is to be expected when a chica is involved?



Are we not talking about ethics in un-ethical places such as the DR-KL….

With Chica’s of little or no moral virtues…... :x :( :x

Are you saying……That this same Chica has pitted One Member being against another for not being Ethical ???? :?


Then I think Kant does have a place in this thread….. :idea:



Kant said…… :arrow: “Never use a person as a means unto itself.”



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Now that quote definitely was Kant (well, except for the emoticons- I don't remember seeing any of those in his writings). However, maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see how looking up quotes in a book that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand and wildly throwing them out in this thread demonstrates either understanding of what they mean or the ability to do it without the guidance of others.


Then he went on to babble …. :shock:

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As long as you're throwing out random philosophical babble, how about these?
"God is dead" - Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead" - God


More babble.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

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You really love Kant, don't you? This is from his "Critique of Pure Reason".


Not really!!!!
Quote:
"Critique of Pure Reason".


Reasoning...in the DR...is like applying ethics in a whorehouse.. 8)


My Dear lijo :arrow:
I suggest you stand outside of the Del-Rey with the rest of the Bums and Preach that Bull ….. :shock:

Know, I know…… :idea:

Get the Jamaican to strum his bass for you…. 8) 8) 8)


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Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!…
Preacherman, don't tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you don't know
What life is really worth.
It's not all that glitters is gold;
'Alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. Come on!.


:arrow: And you my fine friend can Preach….

Not me….But to the whores, cabbies and every Monger that you so vigorously ethically defend…

And for the (censored) Chica… :twisted:

Let have Maestro play a few bars for the Chica’s
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BM wrote..
No, woman, no cry;
No, woman, no cry;
No, woman, no cry;
No, woman, no cry.

'Cause - 'cause - 'cause I remember when a we used to sit
In a government yard in Trenchtown,
Oba - obaserving the 'ypocrites - yeah! -
Mingle with the good people we meet, yeah!
Good friends we have, oh, good friends we have lost
Along the way, yeah!
In this great future, you can't forget your past;
So dry your tears, I seh. Yeah!

No, woman, no cry;
No, woman, no cry. Eh, yeah!
A little darlin', don't shed no tears:
No, woman, no cry. Eh!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



For myself, I will always feel that ANY Chica is ……

FAIR GAME…. :oops: :oops: :oops:


I suggest a experiment….. Next time that you find yourself defending one of these quagmires……

Follow Aristotle’s Golden Rule… :P :P :P

The guy with the most Gold will always RULE…

Ps: Personally my un-ethical (censored) believes in the living God….

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But no GOD??????

I have to have another drink…..
:P :P :P
I don't really know if there is or there isn't but you've gotta admit if there is then we all may be in deep shit or why else would all those religious moral cursaders be praying everyday for the salvation of our damned souls.

Okay, I'll lighten up. I realize you were just trying to have a little fun. Your latest comment got me thinking too (Oh no! Watch out! Prolijo is thinking again.):

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While we pondered Ethics, this Chica stuffed not only her her pockets also.... So much for ETHICS...
DO YOU THINK SHE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ethics. :twisted:
I think chicas have their own code of ethics too. It just may be entirely foreign to us. Try these chica moral rules:

Rule 1) Never undercut the other chicas by asking for anything less than CIEN/HORA when a monger approaches you. Corollary: unless all the other chicas are out of earshot.

Rule 2) Never interrupt another chica while she is in the middle of negotiations with a monger. Corollary: it is okay to casually stand behind him (facing away) and discretely reach down and fondlie his ass as long as the other chica can't see it.

Rule 3) Never hit on a chica friend's gringo "novio" when she is away. Corollary: unless you're sure she'll never find out.

Rule 4) It is every chica's moral duty to report out the activities of a chica friend's gringo "novio" when she is away. Corollary: ...Actually there is no corollary. They all follow this rule religiously.

Rule 5) Always seek out the charity of gringo "novios", after all, charity is a MORAL imperative (particularly if it is the charity of others and charity begins at home). Corollary: sick Babi*s work best to play on their moral conscience.

Rule 6) Actually that is all I can think up for now, but I bet you other guys could think up a few more.


BTW, whether or not other people around us choose to follow a different moral code or no code at all really should have no bearing on what we ourselves try to practice. We have only our own moral conscience to answer to or God himself if there is one. OTOH, if you actually really and truly believe in God and still believe it's okay to be completely devoid of any ethics than you must somehow believe you're already eternally damned and beyond redemption - anything else would be true hypocrisy.


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Here's my armchair diagnosis of Anonymous 2:
Troll.

Manic-depressive (Bipolar Type II)? Forgot to take his meds and instead started drinking?

Please...please...please. This sad excuse for intellectual discourse has given me both a migraine and anus cramps.

The fundamental issue posed at the start of this thread: Is it "right" (ethical) for one guy to move in on another's negotiations and "steal" the girl with whom he was trying to spend time.

The actual discussion has devolved to something having to do with the existence of God and/or Santa Claus? :?

Here's an idea :idea:

Anonymouss 2, please take your meds, sweetheart. You're going to hurt somebody, maybe yourself. Admins, let's lock this thread down. I believe that it has run its course.

Kant...Spinozza...Nietsche...Pee Wee Herman... who gives a rat's ass?

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Oh Lord......... :wink: :D :D


Now I have to go get another bottle of Gin.... 8) 8)


What is the World coming tooooooooooo..... :wink: :wink: .


This might Just take all Day......


But PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE.......TROLL..... :shock:


Never a Troll......

But always ........ :arrow: Just a little Fart....... ????????

Ha, ha, ha ..........

But Please ...get a grip…..

Just Punning with you....... :idea: :idea:



Oh my I have to…..GO

I hear the sirens coming.... :idea:

:arrow: Stop that Police car....

That's my ride.....

But wait…….an anal-headache...

That must REALLY HURT!!!!

You take all this to seriously….. :shock: :shock: :shock:


Remember...A fart is just a fart ....

But a P(censored)T is always a pleasure!!!!!!!!!! :P :P :P

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Oookkkaaayyy. :!: :roll: :!: :roll:

I guess that post really speaks for itself. :shock: :roll: :shock:

A friendly word of advice :wink: in the remote possibility you really don't mean to be a troll: 8) :idea:

Whatever your real intent, your posts can certainly be seen as rather troll-like :twisted: or, at the very least, psychotic :? . If you REALLY want to become a part of this little brotherhood, I seriously suggest you learn to be just a little more discriminating in your use of those emoticons :!: :!: :!: and stop wasting so many linear feet of column with each of your posts. If and when you finally have something more worthwhile to post here, I'll be more than happy to read it. If, on the other hand, this is the best or funniest you've got I suggest you find somewhere else to amuse yourself.


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You said more interesting!!!!!!!!!!

I give you an Ethical dilemma ....That You can ponder.....

Ok Doctor P ....Let see what you have to say .




INTRODUCTION

Although many men may believe otherwise, man, by himself, cannot fix a woman’s problem. He can lend advice and suggestion, make strong comment, he can take the problem upon himself, but he cannot actually fix a woman’s problems!
There are several ethical pitfalls when dealing with such problems. Would it not be easier for mankind (or simply “man” from this point forward) to just deceive his way out of these situations when called upon? But then one’s moral virtue would be in question. Is there a way to perceive this dilemma and save face at the same time? I say yes there is!

One such problem is,” The disgruntle co-worker syndrome,” and woman’s inability to deal with her own shortcomings without involving Man for guidance. This is a double edged sword which has sliced man to pieces time and time again. His inability to deal with these situations in an ethical manner has failed him miserably when it comes to dealing with a woman’s problems.

In this synopsis, a co-worker has questioned a “woman’s (W),” authority in making a business transaction that has failed. The woman views this as an attack on her personal character, and argues her point to the bitter end, seeking the approval of her mate in her decision to argue the point. Although she will ask for mans’ opinion and she will listen, she will not accept his opinion but only hers! This is where man must exercise his knowledge of ethics.

It is mans (M) Prima Facie Duty to exercise extreme caution when venturing into this uncharted territory of dealing with a woman’s dispute. (e.g. pg 540 AE) Man must realize that he must take an Ethical Relativism approach to the situation. (E.g. 539 AE) as bold as it may sound, man must think of his eudaimonia. He has to approach her request of him with an Ethical tact of knowledge about his words and most of all Good Sound Reasoning.
Man must recognize that woman is not seeking an opinion, but approvable of her own. It is when man disregards this sound reasoning. (Pg 47, applying ethics) that he ends up as being the center of a woman’s problem. It was not his intentions to do so, but with little knowledge of his words and lack of Good Sound Reasoning, this is what exactly happens.

Let’s explore the disgruntled co-worker syndrome, involving two women who work together. “ Co-worker (A) decides that Woman (W) has not performed the proper duties when addressing a customer’s request for services, and therefore when customer (C) decides to take his business else where, co-worker (A) blames this lose of revenue on (W) woman. In turn she (W) approaches (M) man with her dilemma.
Man (M) must be aware that such issues some such as being (1) (Red Herrings) e.g. pg. 64 AE, (2) Post Hoc e.g. 64 AE and (3) the Straw Man scenario (e.g. pg. 65)
It makes no differents that co-worker (A) was not part of the transactions, nor has any knowledge of the facts of the transaction, it is co-worker (A) way of CYA their way around the fact that the business has lost revenue and therefore does not want to be blamed for this loss.

Co-workers (A) solution to this quagmire is to introduce a Red Herring (e.g. pg. 64 AE). This is done by focusing on woman’s insecurities. Did she not look presentable to the client, or was it in her way of handling the customer? These facts could have a bearing on the issues, but it also could be that the client was offered a better deal elsewhere. Co-worker (A) is not going to make mention of these facts and will rely on an attack of her insecurities to save face.

Second, Post Hoc is another fallacy that co-worker (A) will introduce. Co-worker (A) may make claim that the customer was her client first and when woman (W) entered into the picture, customer(C) took offense and looked elsewhere for services. In doing so, co-worker (A) has cast doubt on (W’s) abilities to perform the same duties as co-worker (A) and thus the customer looked elsewhere.

Had the customer entered into the contract and the business received the new client, co-worker (A) would have played Straw Man (e.g. pg. 65) praising woman (W) for a job well done but really holding a grudge. In this scenario, lets remember the customer (C) was co-workers (A’s) first. Whether she just lacked knowledge or just was not prepared to perform the duties requested of her has little bearing on the facts. (W) Woman got the customer and co-worker (A) did not. Resentment will simmer below the surface, causing all of the problems that I have outlined in this synopsis.

A fight erupted between these two colleagues; battle lines were drawn, and man will have to wade into the fight under the assumption that it a just cause. What man does at this point will determine his outcome in the whole affair?

The saying, “Fools rush in where angels dare to tread,” is ringing loud and clear. So what is man to do? Is he to lend Sound reasoning or should he just deceive his way out of this mess? I say neither!

It is not mans intention to deceive his mate, but man must critically think about each of his answers before making them. As in all relationships, woman seeks man for his approval of her opinion, not because she is really interested in what man has to say, but more as a buffer zone to shore up her opinion. This is where the knowledge of ethical body language comes into play


Man must learn not to speak, but to agree with what his companion is complaining (bitching) about. Never, and I repeat, never say to her, “Why, what, or how come,” It is better to just nod up and down with a quick downward motion of the head. (Never shake the head side to side, for this will expose woman to man’s doubt of the situation.)

Man also must refrain from making derogatory comments about the woman’s co-worker. This is one of those pitfalls that I mentioned earlier. If woman wants to make comments such as, “Oh she just does this because I am pretty and she’s not,” it is wrong, but for man to agree is ethically wrong. It will come back to haunt man time and time again.

When giving good sound reasoning, man must not stoop to this tactic. He must think back to his Ethics class and relate to possibly Stuart Mills or Aristotle. The truth is a combination of both philosophical views. Man must seek both his happy medium, and his utilitarianism perspectives, not hers. Let me state once again, “Man cannot fix a woman’s problems, he can only agree!

Utilitarianism is defined as being a theory that action should be the largest possible balance of pleasure over pain or Aristotle’s greatest happiness possible in dealing with the greatest number of tribulations that man has to overcome.
Conclusion
My argument is not the fight between two co-workers, but how man can give sound reasoning and not end up in the doghouse when it is all said and done. Let us review the facts.
1) Woman is not seeking an ethical solution but only assurance to her own argument.
2) Woman will listen to Man but will not take his advice.
3) Everything Man says will be scrutinized later by both parties involved. This is why man should never use derogatory terms about the co-worker when interjecting his philosophical views.
4) Woman is reading Man’s body language, and man had better be aware of this fact. No shaking of the head side to side, only up and down.
5) Finally, man cannot fix a woman’s problems and he better come to this realization now!

If woman is not listening then why is Man going to such extremes to inject his views. He has to take control of the situation. To do that, Man must take a Utilitarianism Egoistical view. In doing so, Man will be saved from this ethical dilemma time and time again.



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Score some points for giving a rest to so many emoticons. But I still fail to see how clipping and posting (what were all those page references?) on some abstract philosophical question has anything to do with what we all came here to discuss. Was posting what someone else wrote supposed to impress me with your erudition? If so, you failed. Once I got past the first paragraph and saw where you were going, I didn't bother to read any further. I suggest you find a philosophy forum to exchange self-impressed musings with other like-minded individuals, as I'm not about to take the bait. Try http://forums.philosophyforums.com/, http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=1, http://www.ephilosopher.com/phpBB_14.html or try http://www.google.com/Top/Society/Philosophy/Chats_and_Forums/


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