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Zippy,
Now your comment is interesting to me. And I can see what you're saying. At least that is reasoning that makes sense. I think you are right to some degree. It depends on how you play it and it also depends on the girl.

Many are taking that first swing for the home-run hit - the guy that will fall hopelessly in love with them and will send them money after they return to the states. Once they realize they're never going to get that easy home run from you, or at least not with out a lot of work and a much more prolonged campaign, they figure why bother and save their energy for the next sucker who might.

I think there are also many girls who are either new at the game and take longer to realize they don't have a shot or are more seasoned and are just happy to have some regular business that they know won't try to rip them off (or plant a hidden video camera on them) and will treat them like a date where they can also have a good time doing what they do. As mercenary as I know most of these girls are, I think more of them fall into that latter class than the ones that are always hoping for that first swing homerun hit.

The other thing is that even if what you say is true, that is the whole idea of giving a gift. It is just another part of a total strategy to extend that period of uncertainty where they think they might be able to get out more than they really will. I already mentioned the BFFE. The chicas take advantage of the GFFE to try and make you think it is more real than it really is so that you will part with more money. Of course it is their very demands for money which reveal that it is more than an emotional tie which binds them to you. If they're playing us, why can't we play them. I'm not talking about making any false promises. But if they have a misguided hope that you might be so stuck on them that you might eventually be persuaded to part with more cash or a ring, why not take advantage of that BFFE illusion so that they will part with better sex. You're both having fun, she's making more consistent money, you're getting great sex. And when it becomes too apparent for one or the other of you that your respective fantasies is untrue, you walk away. Its a delicate dance and some guys don't like to risk going over the edge becoming more of a playee than a player (another strategy I can understand) but for others the rewards are well worth the risks.

I don't expect a discount when the girl is different and the first time. I just try to get a good/reasonable price....lots of things factor into getting a good price.

Pay attention to this: I just want a reasonable discount and I don't want to have to beg for it. But, I'd rather forgo dealing/begging with the same chica over and over again.

and this: I'd rather experience someone else and take my chances (the unknown is more exciting to me).

and this: Another reason for this is that with my limited Spanish, on multiple visits, I can't really talk much to her because we've covered the little stuff so there would be too much silence.

I think the above indicates that I have a few reasons why I don't repeat, not just the pricing. All of these all things are more important to me than a little discount. To each their own - whatever works for you is fine with me.


I feel just as comfortable not knowing her as knowing her the second or third time around so comfortable is not a factor for me. If she isn't comfortable, she shouldn't be hooking. I'm not sure how to answer this or if my comments are an answer (sorry).


Not going to scam me? Even if I was with her 10 times, I'd still have my wallet, passport and everything else worth a buck in the safe (not sure what scam you mean, however). And I bet others have stories where the more she gets to know you the LESS she wants to do for you meaning she is more comfortable trying to get away with doing less. I've said before that these girls are often like little K*ds and so they are always trying to test the boundaries - keeping the deal as it was in the beginning can be a challenge.



If what I say only makes sense to me..... sorry for that.

Your reasons for doing a second and more times are valid to me even though second and more times DO NOT guarantee a good session (they are women and so moody, they are hookers and so even more complicated and moody than your normal woman, so anything can happen). A second only makes it more probable that you'll get the same or better service. When you read my post, you seem to have focused solely on the discount portion since I think I explained why else I didn't prefer going a second time. I think there is enough in my post to get a good idea for why I don't do it a second time.

I hope you don't think that a second and more times is a guaranteed good time, because it isn't. The deal always has to be watched after and enforced. This is why, before I take any woman back to the room, I've explicitly asked and asked again and again what she provides and doesn't provide, because if you don't, she worms out of providing a good time. If you don't talk about it prior, it is easy for her to say no to a lot of stuff in the room.... even when it is the second or more times.

Oh, to keep this thread on topic... I'm not really a fan of gift giving.

I'm done with this thread.

Okay, Dwayne, I'll get off your back now. I think you've raised some valid reasons here for not ever pursuing a repeat performance.

I still don't quite buy the begging for a discount thing if it means going with a different chica who you'd either pay the same amount or have to beg just as much and probably much more to get the type of discount you're referring to. Put another way if all you're seeking is a "good/reasonable price" from the untried chica, why wouldn't a "good/reasonable price" be acceptable from a chica you already know with certainty to be a good performer? Because you think you're entitled to it with out begging? Even if you were entitled to a discount that wouldn't change that she was a known "good/reasonable" deal at the price you paid before.

Your other arguments make more sense to me, even if for me personally those arguments do not carry the same weight they would for others such as yourself. I can appreciate the desire for variety and the trying out of untapped chicas. Most of us enjoy that approach too, though not always to the exclusion of anything else. And I can also appreciate the running out of small talk aspect as well. Even when you speak spanish these uneducated girls usually do not make the most scintiallating conversationalists.

You just left those arguments out of your original rationale. I should clarify some misunderstandings of your own that you seem regarding my own rationale. When I talk of client comfort, I don't mean that one can reach a point in just a few dates that one can totally trust a chica. I would still lock things up, but I would have less concern that she might slip a few misc. small items in her purse while I turn my back to take a piss or even skip off out of the room altogether with good knows what. When I picked her up in the bar I wouldn't have to worry that she would change from a Dr. Jekyll into a Mr. Hyde in the short distance between the bar and my hotel room. Or whether some forgotten negotiation item such as BBBJ vs. CBJ (never forgotten) or "nunca como un perro sin más dinero" might turn into an attempted upsell or downright refusal. (I've run into the latter sometimes "porque you are soooo grande" "yeah riggght" ) You youself acknowledged this element when you said "I'd rather experience someone else and take my chances (the unknown is more exciting to me). " I can appreciate that and even prefer it that way myself sometimes but there are other times where I much prefer the tried and true (particularly after I've been burned a couple of times by less than stellar first time performances). As you said to each their own.

The other misunderstanding is that you suggest I thought having a good first time performance GUARANTEES good performance thereafter. I don't know maybe I did say that, I don't feel like going back and checking. I do feel it leads to a higher PROBABILITY of a performance as good or better than if you went with an unknown chica.

I also allowed in my last post that there are times when a chicas performance might actually slip the second time around as soon as she realizes you don't think her pu*sy is golden, but I think it usually takes much longer before you have to worry about that and the whole idea of gifting or tipping is to forestall that event. If she starts to slip and provide declining service than obviously the tip and gift from the last session didn't work. In that case, unless you think its just a bad night, cut your losses and move on to another chica next time around. But even if she's just having a bad night, don't tip her again for less than stellar service.

Catching a chica in a bad mood can certainly happen with any chica, but at the very least just as likely with an unknown chica vs. a repeat. If that happens with an unknown, I'd probably not repeat, even at the risk of missing out on a chica who can normally be very good. OTOH, if that happens with a chica I've seen many times before, I'd probably just write that off as an occasional anomaly. Bottom line, all things being equal, I think your odds of a good session are going to be higher with a chica who has performed well for you in the past than it would for an unknown. I'd rather go with the tried and true and get my thrills playing the GFFE game than to take my risks the way you do with unfamiliar chicas. As you said to each their own.

Dwayne


This is sure a valid point. NEVER let your guard down ever in my book or that is when the sucker punch will get you every time! Most men have enough trouble trusting their wife let alone these lovelies we play with.

Prolijo

Got this down right too me & Latinas are very fatalistic & realistic about this faster than Gringas is my experience.


Yes & this is what I look for, for this reason & this is where you really need te language. You can play the little dance longer but eventually the dance whines down to a stalemate. Then Time to ramble on!

The gift giving kept within reason is ok if it prolongs the dance one wants. Just don't raise the bar too high. Since many of these Latinas have not been treated to gifts it is refreshing to ones heart to see a genuine warm loving natural glow radiate from them so it can be addictive if not careful. The thing is since they are so childd like in nature it spoils them & they expect a gift every time. Guess it is a good indicator to them if you don't give that it is slowing down.

About GUARANTEES: You didn't say guarantee and I didn't say you said it. I was just making a statement - warning to everyone (this is the newbie area). I did say what you said: "A second only makes it more probable that you'll get the same or better service." I said probable you said probability... same thing or if there is a slight difference not worth talking about it.

I truly think that if you take your time and do as good an interview as possible, you'll get pretty good service everytime unless she just isn't capable of giving good service (meaning she hasn't a clue no matter who she is with). If you ask all the right questions about what she does or doesn't do and ask if it is okay to do certain things then you are usually covered.

It is okay if you can't buy the discount and begging thing - I can't really explain it except to say that it is apart of my equation.

Gifts are probably wonderful and they probably can have an effect, however I just can't stress myself out anymore than what it normally takes to plan a trip to CR, be in CR, and get back.

For the most part I agree with your methods Prolijo.

There is one chica that I would repeat a few more times actually. This is because she is good looking, nice body, great performance and cheap.

can we get back to what is important kittens and gifts remember if you fall off that kitten get back on HAPPY HOLIDAYS

Just got back from SJ, my first trip and found that my post has taken some interesting post while I was gone.

I will say that my experience with gifts, tokens, presents or whatever you want to call them was for the most part positive. I took a few bottles of perfume, which I would give out only after time was spent together and she would be getting ready to leave.

The effect was always positive and warmly recieved, if I happened to see the same woman again out on the town then I tended to have a lot easier time talking to her or making arrangements for another session together.

The candy I took was pretty much useless, most of the women would have prefered a beer to candy, maybe cause beer goggles help me look better.

Overall I would say from my trip that a small token goes a long way for guys who like to go back to the same fishing spots. IMHO.

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Bastion

You guys have all missed one crucial point about gift-giving.

Like Fred Flinstone buying men's bowling shoes for Wilma, often times we give gifts purely for our own benefit. In fact, much of the discussion around here has centered around improved performance, repeat performance, discounts and the like.

Gifting is supposed to be different from tipping, in that a gift is given from the heart, a way to say "I value you." If you only give gifts to see what you'll get back, I'm glad I'm not around your Kwanza bush on Hannukristmas Morning.

Also, gifts of lingerie, sex toys, lubricants etc. are almost purely for the benefit of the giver, particularly when the gift is given at the start of the session.

And Bastion, I had real good luck with candy gifts...then again, it was real good candy!

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Pura Vulva! Wandering through the dark, I am El Ciego.

I think small gifts are a great thing!

I only consider a gift for a girl who I have been with already and want to see again. Why? Because I enjoyed being with her and want to make each repeat with her better than the first. I expect more time and better time for the same or less money when I repeat. It's also about showing some appreciation and affection for someone I genuinely like.

Girls are emotional and, except for the hardened pros, really appreciate the extra effort. If you get to know them a little on the first session, it should be easy to come up with a small gift with minimal cost and effort.

A couple of examples:

A chica I liked from New Fantasy told me about her 5 year old son and so I picked up a $5 set of sidewalk chalk while I was buying some other stuff I needed. Three years later, I see her and she still remembered that gift. You think she wasn't extra nice?

Or this past trip I brought a girl on a shopping trip for souveniers and bought her a $10 wood jewelry box she liked. Now she helped me with finding and bargaining on about $80 worth of other stuff. And she was fun to bring along on the trip. She could have stayed at the SL waiting for another customer but she willingly joined me because I had already been with her twice before.

Or the most simple and foolproof gift for young girls - chocolates. They all love chocolates for themselves or their K*ds.

In every case, I only go that little bit extra for a girl I already know and want to be able to call tomorrow or six months from now. The gift helps her remember me and give me her best treament. And, as I said before, I enjoy giving to the ones I like because they appreciate it.

I've have had girls who get the wrong impression and think I'm gonna be exclusive. For them, I just demonstrate that I'm still a free man. If they don't want my company anymore, I'm happy to move on.

CalaGuy

On my trips, I often get something for a woman at work and a female friend that does the same for me when she travels.

I buy 2 of whatever I'm getting my friends - one for my friend and one for the chica behind the counter. It is kind of funny because up until the end they wonder why buy 2. I'll never see these chicas again and I don't care either.

I like leaving a mark in places beyond the gulch.

And would these chicas be fat and middle aged or the more attractive variety? hmmmm? And has it ever led to anything more? And have you ever returned to the scene of the crime? So many questions...

Still, that must be a priceless look of shock when you give her the item.

Long as it makes you happy, keep it up!

CalaGuy

I do this on my last day there so I can't return to the scene except on the next trip and by then I forget them. They are no particular shape or age - just whoever waits on me.

Once a chica chased me out of the store for my receipt, either she couldn't get the item I left with her out of the store without it or she was going to change the item for cash... makes no different to me what she did, however.

I like the shock factor and just like leaving a bit of America goodwill behind, because can you imagine... this is the story around the dinner table and at lunch and etc. etc. for quite a few people hears about this kind of stuff.

Oh yeah, what if a guy waits on you.

Since I'm buying something that is for a woman, I'm doubting he'll want some perfume or necklace and ear rings combination though I guess you could argue that he could give to his girl or change for cash.

Another little thing that I do is tip really big outside of the gulch to make up for not tipping in the DR. I figure the wait staff in the DR are doing pretty darn good so I'd rather make a good impression where it is more deserved. In this case, I definitely don't care if it is a guy or a woman.

In the end... as far as tipping goes... to each their own (before anyone slams me for not tipping in the gulch).

I wasn't going to slam you for not tipping in the Gulch. I was going to slam you for overtipping elsewhere. The same principles apply about following local custom and not contributing to service price inflation whether you are in the Gulch or outside of it.