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I have had a few expierences of girls asking for the money up front and I very politly ask them to leave. There are so many to choose from and so much competition that it is best to cut your loses and get a new plate to dine from. If more of us do that and not accept this new fashion that some of the girls are trying, we will nip it in the bud.

I prefer to think of my "dates" as an expierence of fine dinning. What fine restaurant do we go to that asks us to pay up front?

If you accept the girl who wants her money up front be prepaired to get what you would expect at a Mc Donalds or KFC. Cold piece of meat and wilted fries. If a girl is good and knows how to please us, she will be like a fine restaurant with service slow and eligant alone with a good entree.

After almost 20 trips to pu*sy heaven, I have made some great female friends in the pu*sy world who I look forward to seeing each and every trip. Now I have found that the Dog in me still lives and I do want new meat so now my girls do bring me presents. If i find that the present is excellent I give a substantial tip to the bearer of gifts. It eliminates the "maybe she is hot" aspect that we all have when we find new meat.

Now when you see this Ole man with two or three "chicas" you know that one or two of them is a gift. Hell last month one of my favorites, Maria, even paid the girl to please me as she watched then joined, now thats heaven.

See ya all soon at the rail at the Presidente

Jimmy

Hey LLM I know you don't need my advice but for the sake of discussion-


That's one way to handle it but I think you may be throwing back some keepers... for me it all depends on her attitude when she "asks" or more so HOW she responds to me saying I always pay after- if she becomes a demanding bitch about it (a couple Colombianas and a blonde Russian come to mind) she will be shown the door. If she's just worried, I have pulled out the dinero, said "Yo voy a pagar senorita tengo dinero, es no problemo" and have just tossed it on the table or TV and proceed to take her clothes off. For me this puts her at ease and we get down to some seriously good business. I have to disagree, some of my hottest sessions and now favoritas asked for the money up front our first time together...
Perhaps she's recently been screwed out of some money by an asshole gringo that did not pay her in full or at all. That's usually the reason and I think this happens more than we know.
Most of those chicas I'm glad I did not just throw out of the room for just asking, (and the next time I take her she doesn't even ask)...

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Chicas that ripped off in the past or plan on leaving early usually ask.

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I agree with Paco on this. For a girl to ask is a reasonable question. she does not know us any better than we know them. There are undoubtedly more than a few guys out there who pull things on them as several recent threads attest. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that means we should actually pay them in advance. OTOH, just because she asked doesn't mean we have to immediately show them the door any more than it means we should just give in and pay them. We should politely refuse and see what happens. They are usually not too insistent and a polite refusal and soothing reassurance is usually all it takes to set that issue aside completely. If you have to twist their arm and really argue with them to get them to agree to being paid after then I would definitely agree with Jimmy and LLM. It might turn out okay and she might turn into one of your future favoritas but more often than not it sours the mood and results in a lackluster performance (which may have been all you were going to get anyway).

I do like that "I only pay first at MacDonalds arguement and not when I go out for a fine steak" analogy. Can someone translate that into a sensible spanish expression? I'd think any chica would be prefer to see herself as steak rather than hamburger. that might be all you'd need to say to get her to back down.

A more important thread for all of us would be to remind some of the newbies around here who may not share our high standards of conduct to always pay what was agreed to at the end of the session. It is precisely those guys who think they have some sort of entitlement to do whatever they want and to treat the chicas any way they want that makes those chicas so suspicious of all the rest of us.

A guy can (still) rip off a girl even if he pays up front. All he has to do is to take the money back from her. No big deal.

When I've been asked for the money up front I usually show them the money and give them one-half and the rest when were done.

the one time I felt ripped off in CR was when the girl got back to my room and insisted on the money up front right away. I put it on the table. She was terrible in bed. Grabbed the cash and dashed. The other times I have had great times in CR is when there is no asking up front. I think Ill try throwing them out next time if they insist on the cash up front. BAT

I toss them.

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I have personally never been asked for money up front, and i think that is the best policy. But on my second trip this year, i introduced a couple of guys that i met with girls that i already knew. They setled on a price and everything was good. Next day the girls toldl me that the guys had ripped them off, they had a 4some for 40 dollars. The girls said the price they agreed to was 40,000 colones each. They said that the guys got hostile and kicked them out of the room with 40 dollars. That is definetely one instance where the money upfront for the girls would have been good. I talked to the guys eventually and they were bragging on what they did the previous night. needless to say they were jerks, and i stopped all contact with them. SO look at it from their perspective too. How many drunk guys do you think they deal with daily, and i am sure they get burned enough to get ruined.

NICE ANALOGY

I had a chica ask for money up front, but I politely (key word... you don't wanna kill the "mood" with business) declined and told her that I always pay at the end. She thought for a micro-second and said "esta bien, no problema". This was the first time I had to deal with that request and I thought I handled it well, at least I didn't pay it.

There's a difference between asked and insisted. I can work with "asked". In fact, Daniela who I mentioned in the last post politely asked if I can pay her before we start. I then politely declined and we solved the problem in about 1.5 seconds. On the other hand, had she "insisted" on getting the money upfront, she'd get the boot, because even if she eventually drops it, for me the session is ruined.

Its a rare chica that takes much more than a microsecond before she backs down. Don't automatically write-off a chica that asks. Many do and many don't. Those that don't are 99% easily persuaded to trust you and will still provide a quality session. If they balk to the point where you have to get more insistent than polite, then it is definitely better, IMHO, to just let them go.

Pago solamente primero en MacDonalds y no cuando voy a un restaurante de lujo.

The only possible problem with that is if you offer to take her out to eat afterwards, you'll probably have to do a little better than MacDonalds. Oh well, nothing is foolproof.

If I were a Chica I wouldn't like being compared to food especially meat. Think a coke at McD compared to fine wine sounds better.

I have had a few that clearly I communicated I only pay when we finish & they agree then they ask for money up front when we get to the room I am like WTF? Not to often but really wonder what I have gotten a hold off when they do this.

It really takes a low life to rip these girls off. It isn't that much money #1 & think about how much they give for what we pay. Really some sick pups out there!

If we are talking about girls from Del Rey and KL, the best thing to do is work out all of you business arrangements prior to leaving for the hotel. If I like a girl and we agree about time, I will tell her that I would like a few things understood prior to leaving, never had a pay up front problem since then.

Zippy,
I agree. If you notice, that is why I changed the expression to "luxury restaurant" from "fine steak" (well that and because I wasn't quite sure how to say fine steak )

Miami X,
If you notice Zippy raised the scenario where a chica tries the money first thing even after he clearly communicatd the terms back at the bar. And that can certainly happen. I usually get flabbergasted initially myself and then I always play it the same way - Just say NO (occasionally I'll at least show them I have the money). They nearly always so "Oh, yeah I forgot" or some such and drop it. They're just testing us, but it doesn't leave a comfortable feeling in the back of my mind. If she forgot she agreed to be paid at the end what else did she forget she agreed to? Of course if they do forget anything else, I don't hesitate to remind and ultimately having retained control over the dinero helps their meory more than anything else.

Here is a hypothetical question for the rest of you guys on this subject. We all agree that if we agreed to promise a girl for services rendered and she lives up to her end of the agreement than we should meet our end when we're done and pay the agreed amount. My question is what is the accepted procedure if she meets some but not all of the agreed terms? I mean a chica can upsell on items that weren't discussed. "Desea mi culo, paga 10K más" or "usted puede tomar mi cuadro, pero te costará 5K más". What if you've got them in your room, they've agreed to be paid at the end and they've started to deliver (say they've stripped and started playing with your dick). Then all of a sudden they whip out that condom and start to slip it on your dick so they can do a CBJ. You clearly asked for "chupar sin condon" back at the bar. You insist and she steadfastly refuses. What do you do?
a) do you send her packing with nada or
b) do you send her packing with some token amount or
c) do you "downsell" and tell her right then and there that if she doesn't do as promised you'll pay xx amount less or
d) do you take what you can get, wait to the end and pay whatever YOU think is fair.

And the follow up question is if this series of events occurs, how would you come up with that fair amount for whatever the limited services that she did provide? Do you think that this scenario may be the real basis of some of the complaints that chicas tell about being shortchanged?

Here is another related question. Say you have the unfortunate event where you get a chica back to your room and she suddenly insists on being paid upfront (despite earlier assurances). Okay, we all agree she should be sent packing. But what if she then insists that you pay her something for her time or for cabfare back to the bar, etc.? Do you pay her or tell her to screw herself (she wasted your time too and you may even be out a little for the hotel's chica fee)? Or do you pay her some token amount just to shut the bitch up and get rid of her? I have to admit that I have done the latter (as last resort) and felt guilty for it since it essentially rewarded bad behavior, but it's sometimes worth it to avoid a huge, loud and embarassing scene that disturbs other hotel guests, necessitates calling hotel security or simply delays my getting back to the bar to find a replacement. What are you guys own experiences in this area?