www.CostaRicaTicas.com

arrr!, arrr!

aye, captain

make the bilge rat walk the gangplank

arrr! arrr!

Well said Prolijo

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Chica Chaser

Just want to tie this post back to where it got started from since it is locked & will fade out of sight quickly, this will make more sense to some that happen to read all this.

https://costaricaticas.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=8833

Argh!

Gentleman? Me? Search my posts and I doubt you'll find I've never made claim to being one. So please don't put words in my mouth.

I DO try to treat the girls nicely though. I massage them - asking if my touch is too light or hard; I do try to please them orally. That's really a selfish act though, as I get excited getting them off that way; I do tell them I don't want them to do anything they don't want to. ("No quiero hacer una cosa que tu no quieres,"). That too is kind of selfish as I get satisfaction showing them a good time when they probably aren't expecting one; I am gentle with them - recognizing that, if they had other options for making good money they wouldn't be doing what they're doing. Most, I believe, are pleasantly surprised by the way I treat them.

Oh and everything I do with them is CONSENSUAL. (Pay attention here cause that was about THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT made regarding this issue). What's the line in the song? (Bob Seger's "Against the Wind,") "I used her and she used me and neither one cared," That about sums that up. If we're taking advantage of their life situation they are of ours too. Would either of us have it any other way? It's a mutually beneficial and AGREED UPON activity. Really if one has qualms about it, about taking advantage of their situation, better stop buying foreign made goods too, I suggest. Heheh. Like that's going to happen. Most of us could not afford a tenth of the things we own if we only bought domestic products.

Judgemental? Me? I don't think I was being judgemental at all. I was merely expressing that I was pissed off to have had my own session with the girl - and I've confirmed that it was the same girl - negatively affected by this secret taping incident. Who are YOU Mr. Zippy to say I can't express my thoughts and feelings on this matter. It's my money that was a near total waste. So get off your soapbox will ya? Geesh!

Regarding the secret taping itself (secret - as in NON-CONSENSUAL) well, I for one am sick of these sorts of situations where someone's caught, like a k i d with his hand in a cookie jar, doing something he knows he shouldn't be, and is all apologetic and remorseful. Give me a break! Aren't we all sick of reading about such things? Whether it be white collar criminals or molesters and murderers and rapist? Whatever it is, what's happened to behaving responsibly? This secret taping was not a case of a member doing something accidentally. This was pre-meditated and contrived to deceive the poor girl. BIG DIFFERENCE in my book. Frankly, any member that can't see this I do not want to know - or be associated with.

By the way the taper actually sent me an apology - though I can't say he appeared remorseful. In fact it reads as though he's done it many times before and will likely do it again.

To conclude my 2 cents about this matter: Sure Zippy, what we do in our rooms with our novias-of-the-moment is our business - and the chica's. It's when what we do negatively reflects on all of us as a whole, and negatively effects our own private sessions, that we should be pissed off!

Oh and I just remembered another point I think is important to mention here. It's regarding the negative light some of us sometimes cast ourselves in because we're "mongers," Because we do things that would be looked down upon here in (puritanical) North America. Well... I asked a local tica woman what Costaricans think of men, be they ticos or foreigners, paying for the company of women. She said it's an entirely accepted activity. Is she correct in her assertion? I really don't know but I believe she is. Who's right: The (self)righteous Puritans that would condemn us all? Or the locals who accept that it's just men being men? (Or if you prefer dogs being dogs). Well that's a debate that I expect will go on till kingdom come.

Now, to quote Forest Gump:

"And that's all I have to say about that,"

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Chica Chaser

Excellent post, CC. I agree with all of it. I see nothing contradcitory about being a gentleman and being a monger, excuse me whorticulturist, because I don't see paying a chica for sex as being improper. Let the puritanical stuck-up people in the US think what they want. [b]IF[/b you accept that viewpoint, as Zippy apparently does, you might as well just get out of the hobby and forget about trying to practice it by any sort of code altogether. If, on the other hand you feel that prosititution is basically perfectly natural and acceptable then you can begin to delineate between proper and improper ways to practice it.

There are a couple of issues worthy of comment and don't worry, I will keep it current so that on one will feel empowered to question whether my experiences, the lions share of which are a little dated, are still viable.

1) Firstly, paying upfront should be an immediate deal breaker and this kind of thing is a definite signal that the monger has not chosen wisely. He should return to his point of origin and try again.

2) The outrageous exaggeration that these girls have no viable alternative but to work as prostitutes has been brought up again, sort of like the urban myth that more women get beaten by their husbands on Superbowl Sunday than any other day of the year.

To the myth that there is no viable alternative to working as a prostitute I say bullsh@t, as I witnessed a lot of women working throughout CR over the last 20 years or so in jobs that ranged in relative importance from chamber maids, embassy workers, teachers, doctors and lawyers. Unless they all have a genie in a bottle, they all found a viable alternative to working as a DL Entertainer. Mostly, it is called hard work.

3) Finally, I make this comment to no one in particular in reference to some of the macho postering that I am reading about. In my sincere and humble opinion, from someone who has seen a lot of minor incidents get out of hand in foriegn countries, where the rule of law don't apply as well as it does in the States (which isn't that well to begin with), I would remember that as comfortable as one may seem to be in CR, we are all still visitors in a foriegn country and we are all guest at Bill's hotel as well.

Personally, (to one one in particular) I would seriously rethink my motivation for going on a trip to a third world country if the point of the trip was to get in someone's face about what did or did not happen between two consenting adults in a P4P business relationship.

The one nice thing about geting older is that you learn what you need to worry about and what is none of your business. Some people never do.
I have not seen a CR jail and hope I never do, but I assume that they are a little better than the one that was in my area in Colon when I was working in Panama (about 100 years ago) and that was something right out of Midnight Express.

Of course all of this is just my humble opinion and I could be wrong.

1) It's true I need to improve my response to the money up front requests. Like I said though, I find I can often turns things around, when they start out on a wrong note, due to the fact I begin by massaging and then going down on the girls. And don't forget, this particular girl probably would not have insisted on having the money first had it not been for the offending behaviour we've all been talking about.

2) Maybe it is an exaggeration but consider these two points:

I asked two hotel clerks what they were paid for their eight hour shifts. Both speak pretty good english so, I take it, they get "top pay," for that sort of work. All $10/day of it. The day clerk said it's good money for such a postion; the night clerk didn't agree.

Also consider that, during a two hour conversation with "the judge," and three of his lawyer co-workers, it came out what I, as a transit operator, earn per hour (about $20 USD). Hearing this, one of the guys exclaimed "Shit man. We're lawyers and you make more money than us!" (He never did say how much more).

The point is, when these girls can bring in even just $50 (five days pay) for an hour of work, well, that's "good money," (the term I used in my post). Sure there are lots of girls that don't go for it but can we blame the one's that do? My perfect "date," would be young and beautiful and like (good) sex A LOT and view the money gained as a bonus. It's a fantasy I know, but a good one.

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Chica Chaser

Good evening Mr. Chica Chaser Mr. Zippy here.

Oh my where do I start on all this mess. Well one thing is clear you have no delusions at all that I can see & the way you have got this thing rolling the Chicas will be paying you for a session once word gets out you keep them so satisfied.

Chica's



For me you left out the part about CONDITIONAL CONSENSUALLITY. I am sure these Chicas just love jumping our bones & would do so without pay & what we give them is just a tip to show them what wonderful Gentlemen we really are.

I am not telling anyone how do anything just wanted us to take a good look at ourselves before we point fingers at someone else. Obvious that makes some around here very uncomfortable. Don't believe CRT should be a bunch of finger pointers as those fingers have a way of making U turns & pointing back at the pointer. I did not start this post Chica you did??

By the way where did I say that or is this more of your half cocked reading? Again express all you want but don't do it thinking your finger pointing isn't going to get bent back on you. After all you seemed to want him named in your post.



He is some more of your DELUSIONS:

Lets see about this

Now am I in trouble in your non judgmental book if my BIG DICK makes her too sore & Phucks things up for your dickk on the next outing for her cause this might waste your money also!!

Well by this

I guess it does!

More DELUSIONS:

Hey BUBBA she wasn't a P4P kind of LADY was she, I mean she wouldn't of had any kind of agenda would she. Well maybe she just loves her daughter so much she is showing her the ropes on how to get lubed up early in this life also??

As I said in my post I am not condemning us or think we are horrible but trying to keep some form of reality too all this when we start pointing fingers. Everyone should rationalize it the why they want or need too just at least try to keep it in the ball park would be logical one would think?

what is all this gentalmen crap? as long as we treat them and with respect that's all that counts. in all the years i have ran south and central america, they love what they are doing as much as we do, you think papa don't know where all the money is coming from. most wouldn't be getting any loving if not for us. it is just there way of life. to relaten one experance, a lady in dr, cute, fun to talk with ,but didn't appeal to me sexually that much,when i told her no. her responce was "i am not going to get any loving tonight" with a sad look on her face. how can we not be gentalmen when we are supplying the two things they want money and good sex,two things they don't get from there own men they love what they are doing fellows get over it. i have a lot of videosof they, they agreed to,and were watched by us latter,that no one will ever see but me. it is pretty seedy tosneak one and then show it around. should we nutter him?

Mr. Zippy,

I can see where this is going with you. Round and round. Well I'll now step off this merry-go-round and watch from the sidelines. I am not one that likes to get drawn into these endless threads but you seem to thrive on it. Anyway you need not ever again reply to one of my posts for MY benefit. Having read some of your posts (in this thread and others) I'm no longer interested in what you think or say. Put another way, I no longer have any regard for your opinions. Have at it though. Have a ball!

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I had two chicas in my room late one night. I told them I wanted to pass-out for a few hours with the two little kittens and then wake up for morning sexo. One of my demented fantasies I guess. Waking up next curled up with two chicas. They demanded money upfront. Yeah.... so I pass out and they leave with my money. Soy no tonto. After arguing with them... I told them to leave. They actually had the nerve to call Del Ray security. LOL..... Jose came up. Looked at them... looked at me and said in Spanish... "get the phuck out of his room". They'll eventually learn. I laughed and thanked him.

I've said it once and I'll say it again - this is a useless argument because CRT's audience is very small as compared to all the mongers in CR. We're battling it out in here and creating a lot of hate among members and in the end, CRT isn't going to change mongering behavior is CR because CRT isn't the 5 O'clock news. This isn't a broadcast to the masses so attempting to create a code of conduct just isn't going to work.

I've noticed that it is a bit slow in here without posts like this - people thrive on controversy and so people live for posts like this. I’m not sure there is a solution to these types of posts. The reaction is typical and I don’t blame anyone for their responses. I’d just as soon have a beer with Prolijo as I would Zippy and I hope Ding Dong would drink with me as well. I just hope no one is holding a grudge.

I hope that everyone forgives the guy that VT the Chica, since this would definitely be the gentlemanly thing to do. Welcome this guy at the Superbowl party, don't make him feel like an outsider (not the gentlemanly thing to do). Remember Orange said that he was a pretty cool guy, but then he was crashed by what followed on the other thread.

Cheers. BYE.

Dwayne2864,

I believe you're absolutely right in that we CRT members make up a very small percentage of the mongers in SJO. Walk around the Del Rey and ask the guys if they read the board and mostly you'll meet with blank stares. (I know. I've done so on earlier trips when trying to meet other members).

For me it's not a matter of how much influence we have on the scene as a whole. That's besides the point. I think if you'll re-read the post I started with this thread with you'll see I did so to determine whether I did session with the girl (turns out I did) and to let it be known that I didn't appreciate the effect the taping attempt had on the girl - as evidenced during my session.

As far as forgiving goes, well, I'm not one to hold grudges. What's done is done right? I'd like to believe it won't happen again but of course it or similar shit will - whether by the same fellow or others none of us know. That doesn't mean we should not voice our displeasure about such things. Silence, after all, could be taken as approval. Nor am I keen to, if I ever meet the guy, welcome him with open arms. (Oh and he actually sent another apology that comes off as much more sincere - though it doesn't give reason to believe he wouldn't do it again).

Anyway as far as having a drink with members goes, well, I'd sooner tip one back with him than at least one other member that comes to mind.

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Chica Chaser

Dwayne very nicely said with a flair of class thank you & I might make an exception in my life because I don't drink much & would drink to that. I know I don't harbor hate or grudges but like to look at other sides of the issue even if not always so popular or excepted around he because it doesn't agree or go along with someone elses. Lets try to be some what open minded with these issues.


Chica Chaser,

My last post to you on this matter. A couple of little points about your reading ability & mine is not so good all the time either. Even though I think you are a very sincere compassionate good man you should read a little more before you get into this area of getting the cart ahead of the horse.

Your

Maybe it is wiser to read it all before you go off half cocked to start a new thread when you admit to not reading all of the original one. Would this not be a little smarter? I am not perfect by any means I call myself what I am slutty, seedy & so on. So your new threat to me about not reading my posts makes little sense because I don't think you read them all anyway which is probably easier on you as they maybe a little hard for you to understand. Sorry this is my style like it or not. I don't have any current flame wars going on in other threads & feel this is not trying to flame you but to show a different point of view that I sincerely wish you could have understood in completion.

So as much as you’re not reading my further post crushes me I have to accept that! & I will have to make may adjustments in my future life about this.


I made this quote before you start the MR. Zippy stuff, mySorry that wasn't good enough or maybe you didn't read that part anyway since you admit to skimming thru things.

Chica here is another inconsistance which speaks for itself sorry: Your



But then this shows up later your Anyway what ever????

Peace & happiness.

PS LARRY the Gentlemen Crap as you put it originated from the original post of origin for the start of this one the link is above which I posted & thanks for your input.

Well I guess what I heard thru the vine this Chica never even got on Video so all of this is kind of silly anyway. The red light on the camera was flashing beacuse the battery was charging & she flipped out on it. Has anybody seen the Video anyway??? Even if he had made this vid He said it was for himself which only is logical since it would leave one to believe since he was in it why would he have done something ugly with it???

I guess if he had never been caught then this would never have been a big deal. I offer my seedy services once again to help those that want to do something I don't think is the best idea but what I believe doesn't mean much to them anyway because they will do what they want after all BOYS WILL BE BOYS! GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS & money will always change hands in the gulch and not any of this is illegal in CR anyway.

You have to live with yourself but if you do this right it won't effect anyone. Here some links:

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My true point doesn't matter what we think or do this shit will happen. What I wish we had here where guys that lived in the world of enough reality that they dated Chicas out side the gulch (which is easy if you are even semi normal) so they stopped getting so close to P4P LADIES that you will drag yourself thru a living hell trying to defend their honor which truly makes NO logical sense at all. If you do something why not at least do it right one way or the other.

If you play with fire you may get burned but when you play directly in the fire there is little doubt at all !! If one wigs out on this stuff it appears to me that you are getting too emotionally involved with P4P Ladies (PW) & just be real enough to imagine they have probably been video taped many times before by some covertly or someone that paid them what it took for them to give their conditional consent any which way your honey or favorita or what ever we call them are being enjoyed by others in different ways. The best way to stop yourself from this type of torture is to get involved with good women that don't sell their bodies to everyone that comes a long. Really pretty simple isn't it???