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RW,

First, I don't know you, nor do I know the lady in question.

Second, I read, then re-read all the replies to your post thus far, keeping sort of a statistical record.

These factors lead me to make the following statement.

First of all, while it's true that one can't take the bar out of the girl, time and circumstances will inevitably take the girl out of the bar. the inevitability of early retirement faces all these girls, whose shopworn bodies become unsaleable, even at deep discounts. She must retire at some point.

Secondly, despite the hardening process that affects all these girls, the basic psychology of human need for love, acceptance and comfort always remain as a constant. Once she has retired, she will miss the attention, emotional support and even the adoration of the men who "loved" her one hour at a time.

Yes, you can have a successful relationship with an old hooker, because she will take herself out of the game. Will she still be mercenary and manipulative? Of course she will, but show me a woman who is not.

As men we strike a balance between getting what we need (sex, support, affection) and what she needs (love, comfort, support, protection).

RW, perhaps you do indeed have chemistry, perhaps even an emotional and mental connection with bracelet girl. And perhaps someday, if you are patient and go into a full-time, exclusive relationship with her with eyes open, you can indeed find love.

I do not discount anyone's ability to love, find love, give love. I know too many old whores, male and female in every sense of the word, who have settled down. Sometimes the relationship stays passionate and mercenary, sometimes it's reduced to microwave popcorn, sitcoms and Social Security... But often, such relationships do indeed work.

However be aware that when/if it happens with bracelet girl, it will be on her timetable and by her decision, not yours.

I believe in humanity enough to believe in love, even with a retired prostitute. Life is funny, and sometimes amazing shit happens.

Either way, good luck. May your heart stay whole and open.

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Pura Vulva! Wandering through the dark, I am El Ciego.

El C, you seem like Prolijo to have some very good words of wisdom. I love reading your posts.

But does not protection = security (which for women) = financial security? Which is what all women are predetermined to strive for.

RW,
Perhaps some quotable quotes will help:

"My advice to you, is to start drinking heavily" Animal House

"Be the ball" Caddyshack

"Sometimes you gotta say 'What the f*ck!'" Risky Business

On the other hand, your'e a great guy and have a good instinct for these situations so I think this will be resolved to your satisfaction.
Look at how your trip to CR turned out last time, somebody up there likes you.

See you in a few days.

My 2 colones: Stop thinking too much and start doing. Just don't do anything that you can't undo instantly.

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Why Chicas Come to CostaRica:

"Predators gather where prey abounds"

Not sure this is applicable but... I talked to a friend of my "novia" this morning. Not sure how the topic came up but, I found out she is married. I had no idea. No one has any idea in fact. She confessed that she found a Tico, gave him "some money" in exchange for marriage. This was done in order to grant her residence in Costa Rica. This girl is a Colombiana.

I also talked to another board member last night who is really motivated to marry a girl from the Del Rey. No problem except.....she is married to a Tico as well. Again, for the same reason. The girl in question is NOT a Tica. Both of the girls I mention are almost eligible for "divorce." Which, I understand, is 3 years.

In my conversation with the board member and the Colombiana it was relayed to me that this is EXTREMELY common amongst the women from other countries. So, if she tells you she doesn't have a b/f or husband she is probably lying. (Imagine that a Latina lying.) And, if she is from another country and says it she is almost certainly lying.

Another lie that was brought to my attention today was that sometimes the girls even lie about what country they are from. This is more of a sales technique to "give the customer what they want." In other words, occasionally, the Colombiana says she is a Tica if the gringo claims to not like Colombianas. Unbelievable.

dapanz1

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Paradise= Sitting outside the Bodega in Panama City about 1 am. Drinking cool Balboas with cool friends and blazin' hot Colombianas. I want to be there..RIGHT NOW!

Believe it ......It's true! :evil:

Marrying a Tico to obtain Residency in Costa Rica is VERY common amongst the working chicas. I know many who have done it.If you see a Dominican or a Colombiana that stays here for more than a month at a time,chances are that she has a marraige of convenience. I forget the cost involved but it is in the hundreds of dollars for the Tico and the lawyer.

A civil wedding in a lawyers office is $300. As for compenstation to the Tico, I have no idea.

dapanz1

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Paradise= Sitting outside the Bodega in Panama City about 1 am. Drinking cool Balboas with cool friends and blazin' hot Colombianas. I want to be there..RIGHT NOW!

It just occurred to me reading this thread that we are all in a lose, lose situation. For those of us with significant others, we've found the companionship we want but then go mongering. Then, as in RW's case, he is a monger and is now looking for the companionship. It's a catch 22 situation and I'm not sure if any of us will ever find the time when both sides of the equation are in sync.

I guess the best thing to do is keep dodging the emotional bullets whatever side of the fence they come from.

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"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" - Maybe Shakespeare was a CRT member?

Dapanz

The rat (I mean lawyer) that quoted that price is RIPPING YOU OFF.

I can talk to my lawyer and get you a civil marriage for a little more of $100. Just let me know bro.

As far as those marriages it happens here and it happens anywhere, I have friends that marry Gringos to obtain Visas, Green card and all kind of papers to live properly in any country.

Mente.

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Tico and Panama, let me know if you need any help down here.
Panamaexplorers.com

That is the price I was quoted. $300 but, I'm in no need right now.

dapanz1

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Paradise= Sitting outside the Bodega in Panama City about 1 am. Drinking cool Balboas with cool friends and blazin' hot Colombianas. I want to be there..RIGHT NOW!

THE BIBLE, this thread should be called, not just "good advice". 5 or 6 of our very wisest, with both their warnings and encouragements -- I'm taking every word to heart (and to both heads) as I dial down (we'll see) from a similar confusion. (Learning more about her reality, and life from her point of view, helps scads.)

I'm getting left with the thought that "I have to find someone who really cares about me" (having married and divorced those lacking that quality, so my stupidity credentials are well-established ) and I have to make sure that any chica and I are really on equal terms or equal levels of caring and commitment. Amazing how many times I've failed to make that comparison, to my own eventual disappointment.

Also was mentioned "the reality that we might actually have a passion for each other". This is the problem: Is chemistry the same for men and women? Or do we just project the intensity of our own testosterone chemical bath onto them?

If they have a chemistry, it's a different one -- differently-motivated and differently-timed. I think a lot of it for them is the exaltation at seeing their own power over YOU!

The chemistry is the hook, and then we project all kinds of wonderful qualities onto her. I think our girlfriends and wives may keep up with those projections ("fill the fantasy") for awhile, and then, one night, they get the itch to move on ("shopping"), they've met their goals by catching you, You're no longer a challenge, and your independence (which attracted them in the first place) has been compromised ("pussified").

But they don't tell you this. They're "waiting to figure things out." And you go on with your life -- working, earning, and thinking everything's the same as long as you're getting your regular daily shot.

With a pro, you're starting a step or three back of the usual necessary romantic illusions, and you've also got a reality or two staring you in the face, which you of course romantically try to ignore.

Just keep all of it in front of you, in sight, in mind, and let the pot simmer...

Diego-
Some interesting points. Especially the one on her power: The chica that I have been spending a LOT of time with the past few months does not want me hanging with my amigos this Friday night. She said if I do, she will go make some money( the last 7 weeks of together time, she hasn't worked when I'm with her-well once,possible twice,she did).
You are right about the power thing.

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Why Chicas Come to CostaRica:

"Predators gather where prey abounds"

I've posted this before but, Jim Morrison of the Doors couldn't have said it better. From the song "Backdoor Man."

"What the men don't know, the little girls understand." Power..yes.

dapanz1

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Paradise= Sitting outside the Bodega in Panama City about 1 am. Drinking cool Balboas with cool friends and blazin' hot Colombianas. I want to be there..RIGHT NOW!

To El Ciego, my hats off to you for the most fair and balanced reply.