Netgems wrote:
My question is this...I am reading the vast majority of deaths are people over 75 with multiple medical problems.
Normal healthy people are also dying but in very small numbers, similar to the general flu, from what I read, not enough to warrant healthy people in their 20's to 60's draconian measures destroying jobs, businesses and lives.
I've known several people in their 50's and 60's, generally healthy who had it, they were really sick for 2 to 4 days, like the flu, got meds and treatment, quarantined for 2 weeks then back to normal.
Here in Costa Rica, a friend of mine's Tica wife got it from her doctors office, she in her late 40's, he in his mid 50's, (he's not a monger, lol) but oddly neither he nor their two teen age Ch*ldren living at home got it! Nonetheless, all of them were quarantined for 2 weeks. She was really sick 3 days, got meds, after 5 days was feeling ok, but still exhausted, but no fever or breathing problems.
2 weeks later she was doing one handed push ups with him sitting on her back and benching 300...ok, slight exaggeration, but he told me she was her energetic cheerful self in 2 weeks after diagnosis and quarantine lifted..
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So my comment is, if you take the number of young to middle age to beginning elderly in their 60's, generally healthy people, are the low number of deaths enough to jeopardize economies, jobs, careers, businesses and lives?
I don't claim to know the answer but I question it.
A fair question I think. Although I think the number of people under 60 that die from it is probably higher than the flu. But anyway... the problem I see from not doing anything, or very little, to stop it is the tremendous toll it does take on those that are vulnerable. We are losing up to 50% of the most vulnerable in some of our long term care homes (obviously many with co-morbitities), and you could say, well, they are not productive people so let them go. But the toll in each of the groups below that is also devastating.
So the question becomes, is there a way to separate those over 60 or 65 and protect them, and allow the rest of society to function normally. And I don't think any country in the world has tried to lock down or restrict access in that way. We have with some of the long term care homes, but even that causes tremendous grief, and outrage, as these old people are dying, all by themselves, unable to see family members, and family unable to see them in their final days.
Anyway, I am well over 60, and would probably not appreciate being locked out of society and the limited contact I do have.
To say nothing of the various constitutions and human rights - most countries cannot simply lock people out or lock them up based on age.
So is it worth it to protect lives to do the things we have? I think it is, although it has been a mixed success. More mixed in some places as half compliance also doesn't really work. But there are countries, New Zealand for example, that had a very strict lockdown, prevented people from coming in, and has been Covid free (with a handful of people that could get in to the country being the exception where there were a few cases). They have been able to have a normal existence, but only within their country obviously. Australia had a pretty severe outbreak of Covid, but also had very strict controls, and also has got theirs down to basically 0. So I guess that would have been the other option...but too late now for most places.
I do know a number of people that have had it. My brother and his family...his was the most severe but he is in his early 50's and fortunately recovered completely as far as I know. Another family member, in his late 50's almost died, and I think is still on oxygen at home several months later. And, not to forget CR, a friend of mine there had it and is fine, although having it was no fun. She is in her late 20's.
So far governments of every type, left, right, center, have all done similar things. Because the public outcry when a lot of people die. When emergency wards are full, ICUs are full, when everyone who shows up at an emergency room doesn't get treatment for example, and a lot of people besides the Covid victims end up dying - this doesn't work for anyone.
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