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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:38 am 
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Hmmmm..???

I think we need Dr. Laura, Dr. Phil or Dr. Ruth....

Just not sure which one......? :roll:


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... if none of the above are available...guess VB or Circus will do...!

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Since I have been asked to give my two cents worth (NOT two colones because I believe this situation is more likely to be problematic in the States than in CR), personally I would have walked from the situation initially or certainly now. My comments will be more on a practical vein as opposed to a moral one.I believe it is easier to take the high ground living in CR since we can have sex with as many beautiful chicas as we can handle whether we are married or single. When you live in the States you just don't get that many opportunities so we can become weak of flesh.I'm not saying that I haven't done things during my married lives that weren't the best,however I haven't been put in the situation as Sub was. I tend to be a risk vs. rewards kind of person. The upside of this kind of "relationship" is an occasional phuck. (maybe good and maybe only fair). I really can't think of any other plusses. The downside is potencially devastating.If caught by her "controlling" husband,you could wind up dead. (after all what type of man puts these kind of restrictions on his wife) Equally as bad,you could wind up in a long term relationship with a Tica who will assuredly do the same thing to you that she did to her husband. After all,who the phuck are you,Brad Pitt?
If you have feelings for this chica then I recommend the Vegas Bob cure. If you don't know it,then I'm sure others here can help you.


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Prolijo wrote:
Have a Great Day, Dave.

I really don't want to fight with you and am sorry you seem so offended. Obviously, we aren't communicating effectively with each other so I'm just going to let it drop.


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Personally, if I had a wife and I loved her I would never cheat or lie to her because I know how much it would hurt her if it ever got back to her.

Prolijo,

Offended, why would I be offended for you having stated your opinion. That is what we do here. We just disagree. It is okay, isn't it? Please just realize that you seem to be talking theory here because of your lack of a long term marriage. I am speaking from 23 years of marriage and I can tell you, in my opinion, that the statement above is extremely naive. White lies are necessary in all relationships especially long term ones. The cheating part becomes necessary, yes necessary, in many situations where the man wants to save his marriage or sanity but must have more sex. We men are programmed that way. As the passage of time occurs, lies become more necessary as a way to smooth over the difference in mental growth of the partners. You are a very smart and intelligent individual but everyone has areas that they don't have expertise in. I don't have expertise in many of your posts so I stay out of them.

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Wow great thread. I myself have been married 25 yrs. and have been cheating on my wife for 10 yrs. All the K*ds are gone and we have a dont ask dont tell rule. I only see pros. no girlfriends ever. Whats she up to who knows? Shit we still have sex. But I must confess I love sleeping with women half my age and half my size. I meet lots of men who are doing the same thing. Why do our wives put up with it who knows. Maybe were great lovers or really bring home the money and spoil them. But most workig girls known married men are the best johns and God Bless them.


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Bvt,

I can only tell you what my wife says about this and other friends of like minded and that is that we are the ones that they want to grow old with. We are the ones that they want to have take care of them in the future. We are the ones who they want to take care of. We are the constant companion in their lives that makes them comfortable. We are the safety net for comfort and will accept them as they accept us with all of our warts and nuances. Plus, the investment of time to get to the above is just not available to reinvest in another to hope that the next will be better somehow.

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Great stuff & so true!

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YO Wife Wranglers:

I had not read this thread until today but gee, I thought I was reading the script for a soap opera.

Old Circus will chime in here since I do have a good bit of experience in this field. YEP, I'm guilty as can be. I had a number of affairs with married women when I was a younger hombre but I finally went "cold turkey" and reformed....well, except for the affair , mostly BBBJ's about 10 years ago. Do I feel some guilt? YEA, but not at the time. Why did I do all that crap. It was exciting, adventurous and very plentiful. In those years I craved living on the edge. I never slept with a woman whose husband was a friend of mine or business aquaintance....I do have some scuples. And yes I was caught a couple of times, one I had to slug my way out of it and the other I ran while being shot at. Never used the husband's home, it was always in my car, hotel or my place. During the 80's with the fear of AIDS it worked as a safer avenue of having sex. But age and wisdom do mingle together and I finally gave in to some redeeming values....I can't run as fast and my spiritual side kicked in a bit.

Dave, I respect your taking the hits for expressing your disdain for this type of practice. I also respect the other differing views. I will not delve into your having sex outside your marriage because that is your business and a private thing. It would be interesting to know how many of our members view having sex outside their marriage is OK but not OK for their wives. Answer is: We men are greedy pigs anyway, been that way since the cave man. I will bet the mortgage that if anyone here in CRT has the right #10 married woman approaching him at the right romantic place at the time when his moral veneer is weaker.....he will jump her bones and leave guilt for later. You can take that to the bank.

Damn, I am getting a little bulge in these old shorts. It's lonely here in the Pits of Jax.

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Circus,

Thanks for your input. I will take hits for this but I am an honest person and I will answer your question. Sex for me outside of the marriage is okay but not for my wife. We experimented with this in sex clubs in Amsterdam but found that my gut and brain just couldn't handle another man with my wife. Fortunately for me, my wife learned that she has no interest in other men so it worked out. It could have been a disaster. Prior to experimenting, in theory, I thought it would be okay with me. In practice, my mind raged against it and I couldn't stand it.

I also agree that it is very, very, very, very difficult to turn down p*ssy at any time for a male.

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YO Again Dave:

I was not prying into your personal stuff but now that you explained it.....makes sense to me.

Damn, YOU ARE ONE LUCKY HOMBRE to have a woman you still care about and she has that attitude. CLONE her.......Quick !!! Naw, can't clone attitude but it's sure worth a try. As for mate swapping, I never cared for that. Something unsettling and un-clean about it. Besides, I'll be damn if I want to see some dude banging my mate with his 10" glory pole with her moaning, screaming and yelling DON'T STOP. I just wouldn't have the balls to try and introduce my 2" of manhood to her after that.......and she damn sure wouldn't either. Of course, we here at CRT SWAP stories and ideas......Hmmm. CRTS....has a ring to it huh !!!

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Circus,

I can always count on your posts to put a smile on my face. I love your sense of humor. Hope to meet you some day.

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I suppose a follow up post is long overdue....

I haven't spoken a word of this to anyone other than the post I made on this forum... Trust me I am fully aware of the moral implications and the vulnerability i left myself open to... not to mention that my workplace was the venue where it all began.

Next let me say thank you to everyone, yes even Dave, for their candid responses.

You know I try to put myself in the position of a husband...but it's hard for me to do that having never been married.

I am not totally void of scruples, I don't go out seeking married women as some sort of fetish... and I don't expect to somehow offer an explanation that will justify my actions to those who condemn me for them.

I have cheated and been cheated on... but I wouldn't set out to sabotouge another man's otherwise peaceful relationship simply becuase I can. If you want to peg me as the lowlife that goes behind your back to bang your wife, that's up to you.

I haven't seen her since, and though have already resolved not to see her again, I doubt i'll have any real opportunity to talk to her about t unless we sneak off somewhere. Suffice to say, I don't believe the situation was ever to the point that I was going to steal her away or run off together. She was lonely, we connected, and the sex was more of an opportunitistic way for her vent a lot of emotional frustration she had bottled up. Had her husband not been gone, I doubt we would have snuck off to a motel or my place or some other cloak and dagger type game.

Was it ballsy, arrogant, and downright dumb for me to sleep and screw in another man's bed? Absolutely. In retrospect would I have done it again, no. Am I sorry that it happened? Not one bit. While I respect other people's commitment to each other (now even more than a few years ago), i also believe that marriage doesn't mean you own the woman.

I don't know... my cards are laid on the table, let the chips fall where they may.


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Well SubAtomic, hopefully, if you ever do get married, it won't happen to you. It was one of the most painful experiences, up to that point in my life, that I had ever experienced. Finding out your wife, who you trusted and were faithful to, and would die for, cheated on you, was intensely painful. I would compare it to a woman being raped. We made the best of it and the marriage survived a long time after that, but I thought about it everyday of my life for about 10 years. I still loved her, but it was never the same after that. And the marriage finally succombed to a merciful death. Maybe this guy doesn't love his wife, like I loved mine.
I still can't be with another man's wife. It goes against everything I believe. That being said, now that I am divorced, fornication with another single person is the only way I fly and I hope to be soaring soon again in SJ.
I think you made the right decision in not pursuing her. To be honest, she is the one who made the bigger mistake. She is the one who was married and made promises she obviously chose not to keep.

Forget about it. Life is short bro, have some fun....(with single women hopefully) :)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:08 pm 
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Zippy wrote:

I bet 90% or more of the guys here would have taken your path .


No doubt. Now, I have a best friend with a Tica wife. She is SUPER hot. No surprise there. I would not touch her because he truly is the best friend I ever had, and I love them and their new k*d, and he would truly kill me instantly.

what SubAtomic did....
trouble? Yep.
messy? Yep.
dangerous? YEP!

You can talk about right or wrong all day, and make a good point, but-

Bottom line: how the hell do you say no to a hot Tica on a silver platter? :shock:

Period.

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You simply do it by having the morals that your mother would expect you to have with the ability to think with the proper brain. Using the "no one can resist" argument is absurd. Pedophiles cannot resist. Does that make it somehow okay? Just pure justification while doing away with any kind of personal responsibility that, as men, we should be able to exercise.

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