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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:21 pm 
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I'm confused. Is the HDR dead or not?

It seemed to be in a state other than dead last Saturday.

Some of the talent looked near dead, but not dead yet.

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It is being kept alive by life support means (savvy budget mongers, connoisseurs of the gulch scene and certain Tico fans). It is merely a feeble ghost of it former (circa 2004 or thereabouts) self.

There has been no upkeep, the place is operated by cruise control and, most importantly the higher spending clientele as well as the top and middle shelf talent is gone to Cocal or gone from Costa Rica altogether.


I am going for the first time in 3 years in May for 9 days have been there over 35 times since 1993 I will let everyone know if it is dead or not


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Cocal has its share of women that are average. Not all of them are getting 2 or more customers a night. Many are lucky to get one a night or one every couple of nights. They don't have to get multiple customers. They make more on one customer than the maids cleaning up the Cocal make in a week. The top of the line girls make money. They make more than they can make at the Sportsman's or Del Rey. It is just like at an mp. Some girls get four or five customers in a day others are lucky to get one. My point all along has been that just because you see a lot of women and few guys there it doesn't mean they will readily go for $100 or less, it doesn't mean that the ratio of customers to girls is something that makes it a buyers market. There are factors at work that are not readily obvious on just walking in.

Compared to five years ago the Del Rey is dead. It is not the king in Costa Rica for high end beautiful women. Spend enough time there and you will see plenty of beautiful women just not as many as before. It is not the Del Rey that is important. The thing that is important in San Jose is the overall scene. Jaco has one thing, the Cocal. You have to really know what you are doing there to find women during the day or late at night. It is strictly a tourist town and everything is more expensive. There are reasons to go to Jaco and reasons to go to San Jose. Depending on how you approach mongering and what you need personally to enjoy your time here each has different advantages. Having guided hundreds of guys here I have seen different ways people go about this. Some guys are looking for the hottest looking women they can find, price and performance are secondary to looks. Others want service with average looks and price not a big issue. Still others are looking for looks, service and price equally. Some guys go about this absolutely solo. Others find that doing this with friends is the real highlight of any trip. If I am most concerned about finding trophies I would pick Jaco. If service or price are the main issue I pick San Jose. The reason I pick San Jose is there are many more women to choose from here, you just have to know where to look. Women are where you find them. Great ones work at the Cocal, Del Rey, mps and strip clubs. It all depends on what you look for when going with a woman. Before I came to Costa Rica I thought that I had experienced a good blow job. Then I experience a gooooood blow job. I thought I had been with women who were pretty good then discovered what it was like to be with one that wasn't going through the motions and who gave back as much or more than she got. Something so physical that I felt I had been in a fight and lost. There are substantially more women working in San Jose than in Jaco when you consider the hotels, strip clubs and mps you have to choose from. There are women to be found working twenty four hours per day in San Jose. San Jose is less expensive for everything. The Sportsman's and L'Amistad are clubhouses for similarly minded guys. You can find guys there who don't judge you with whom you can share your experiences and get information. I pick San Jose over Jaco if I have to choose between the two. It fits my style better. I go to Jaco when I am with someone who wants to go. It doesn't matter what I find there, it is just another place that I can look.

As far as the sun setting on Costa Rica, as long as there are men here there will be a scene. It is still a great place to come and find entertainment. It is safe, easily accessible from the states, loaded with beautiful women, has plenty to do other than mongering, and although not cheap it is still fantastic compared to the States.


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Cocal has its share of women that are average. Not all of them are getting 2 or more customers a night. Many are lucky to get one a night or one every couple of nights. They don't have to get multiple customers. They make more on one customer than the maids cleaning up the Cocal make in a week. The top of the line girls make money. They make more than they can make at the Sportsman's or Del Rey. It is just like at an mp. Some girls get four or five customers in a day others are lucky to get one. My point all along has been that just because you see a lot of women and few guys there it doesn't mean they will readily go for $100 or less, it doesn't mean that the ratio of customers to girls is something that makes it a buyers market. There are factors at work that are not readily obvious on just walking in.

Compared to five years ago the Del Rey is dead. It is not the king in Costa Rica for high end beautiful women. Spend enough time there and you will see plenty of beautiful women just not as many as before. It is not the Del Rey that is important. The thing that is important in San Jose is the overall scene. Jaco has one thing, the Cocal. You have to really know what you are doing there to find women during the day or late at night. It is strictly a tourist town and everything is more expensive. There are reasons to go to Jaco and reasons to go to San Jose. Depending on how you approach mongering and what you need personally to enjoy your time here each has different advantages. Having guided hundreds of guys here I have seen different ways people go about this. Some guys are looking for the hottest looking women they can find, price and performance are secondary to looks. Others want service with average looks and price not a big issue. Still others are looking for looks, service and price equally. Some guys go about this absolutely solo. Others find that doing this with friends is the real highlight of any trip. If I am most concerned about finding trophies I would pick Jaco. If service or price are the main issue I pick San Jose. The reason I pick San Jose is there are many more women to choose from here, you just have to know where to look. Women are where you find them. Great ones work at the Cocal, Del Rey, mps and strip clubs. It all depends on what you look for when going with a woman. Before I came to Costa Rica I thought that I had experienced a good blow job. Then I experience a gooooood blow job. I thought I had been with women who were pretty good then discovered what it was like to be with one that wasn't going through the motions and who gave back as much or more than she got. Something so physical that I felt I had been in a fight and lost. There are substantially more women working in San Jose than in Jaco when you consider the hotels, strip clubs and mps you have to choose from. There are women to be found working twenty four hours per day in San Jose. San Jose is less expensive for everything. The Sportsman's and L'Amistad are clubhouses for similarly minded guys. You can find guys there who don't judge you with whom you can share your experiences and get information. I pick San Jose over Jaco if I have to choose between the two. It fits my style better. I go to Jaco when I am with someone who wants to go. It doesn't matter what I find there, it is just another place that I can look.

As far as the sun setting on Costa Rica, as long as there are men here there will be a scene. It is still a great place to come and find entertainment. It is safe, easily accessible from the states, loaded with beautiful women, has plenty to do other than mongering, and although not cheap it is still fantastic compared to the States.

And its posts like these that i read is making some buddies and i go go for our newbie trip to SJ

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I always enjoy Pops philosophy. And this thread, in general, has given me a lot of valuable info. I'm still the K*d in the Candy Shoppe!

I'm a Noob to CR. I made my Rookie trip 2 1/2 months ago. Compared to the Midwest USA and Southern California, the Gultch is Paradise to me! It also blows away the Netherlands, Canada and Germany, including the FKK Houses. The laid back life style, the weather, the easily approachable Attractive Ladies and the welcoming and helpful fellow Mongers all together in an atmosphere where I don't feel like I need to "Sneak Around" to have fun! Best Bang for my traveling dollar and I'm there in under 8 hours.

Maybe after a few more trips I'll be jumping on the Down and Out SJ train but if I compare it to Sneaking Around in my Hometown Monger Scene, it will always be Paradise!

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Before I came to Costa Rica I thought that I had experienced a good blow job. Then I experience a gooooood blow job.


Off topic but the best blowjobs are from girls that have false teeth. Had a stripper when I was in college who had been in a car accident and took the steering wheel in the mouth. So, she had false teeth she could pop out and just go to town. No one before or since has been able to replicate that experience...

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For the experienced (who hasn't been in a while) or the noob 1st timer go visit both HDR and jaco see for yourself. My guess is you have great time at either place just be prepared to spend more in jaco.
You will also likely see that although there are many differing opinions in this thread there's truth in all.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:05 pm 
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The most intelligent and insightful post on this thread..I agree

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The girls go where they can find customers, the guys go where the girls are. A big factor that has changed the landscape here in Costa Rica was the opening of the highway to Jaco and the opening of Los Suenos. In years past it took three hours or more to get from the airport to Jaco. A big part of the customer base that supported the Del Rey was sports fishermen coming to Costa Rica for the outstanding offshore action. They would arrive at the airport in the afternoon or evening, come spend a night at the Del Rey or Presidente, play around then go to Jaco or other fishing locations the next morning. After fishing for a few days they would return to San Jose and spend the night before heading to the airport. With the new highway, they now head straight to Jaco. These are the guys the girls really want to get, big spenders. The Beatle bar priced themselves out of competition and the Cocal was the beneficiary of the business. The Del Rey reacted as their business started to drop off not by making themselves more attractive but by trying to make the same money from fewer customers through price increases. There was a time when old, fat, ugly women were not common at the Del Rey. They could not compete. They make up 70% of what you see there now. There are mps that offer better average lineups at much better prices. Go to the Cocal and 90% of what you see there are top shelf. The prices are higher because they can get these prices. Remember we are not the customers they prefer to see. They go with us when they give up on finding the newbie with the big wallet. The scene is not dead in Costa Rica. It is different. There are beautiful women everywhere. The price and service depends on your skills. It is like going fishing in the ocean. There are plenty of fish out there but you better know when and where to look or you will spend a lot of time fishing and not catching.

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The Del Rey reacted as their business started to drop off not by making themselves more attractive but by trying to make the same money from fewer customers through price increases.

Not sure about what prices they increased or how they tried to make up for loss of fishing guys?? If anything, the room prices at HDR have gone down. I don't know about drink prices or gambling revenue...any thoughts?

I know their cup of coffee price is a ripoff at 1000 colones...and the bartender looking at you as a cheap bastard for ordering a cup of joe, at 8:30 am no less :roll:


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Drink and food prices were already high compared to other bars and restaurants when the business started slipping away. In response to the decline in revenue they raised the prices on them. Other bars came up with promotions that dropped the food and drink costs such as happy hour and all inclusive. Room prices have stayed the same or declined because they are having problems filling them. For the first time ever I witnessed the Del Rey actually give something away for free. They served free food during the Super Bowl.


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I took a friend to the Cocal last night. My plan was to hang out and watch the scene. I haven't seen that many off the chart looking women together at one place ever in Costa Rica. The average was about a 7.5. Over half of the top ten trophy look women I have ever been with were there. Based on looks alone, I would have taken 90% of them. Former Ticas of the month from CRT, Sportsman's Dance Contest winners, Tango India and Pelufos strippers, Del Rey Colombianas, Panamenians dozens of young new faces were well represented. Guys were showing up by the tour bus load. I saw at least 5 or 6 groups of ten guys show up with two groups wearing t-shirts from the bachelor party they represented. Girls were leaving with customers practically every minute or two at times and others coming back form their last date equally fast. A taxi would pull up, a girl or two would get out and a girl and customer would get in it. The ratio at times could have been more than 1 guy for each girl, there were a lot of women there, probably over 150 but there were also a lot of customers there for them. It was going strong when I got there at 7:30 and was still packed at 11pm when I headed home. I knew at least 15 women that were there last nignt and either watched them take customers and head out or was told by them that they were having a good night. There is a woman that I have seen at the Del Rey for the past three or four years. She is a beast. It is not that she is fat, she is big and thick, with an ass that would not go into an airplane seat, a body that would fit an offensive NFL guard. She was there with a crew from the Del Rey that would have been old ten years ago. That was by far the worst that was there and there were only 4 or 5 of them. I have no idea how the Rey was last night but I have never seen it as good as the Cocal was last night.


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I took a friend to the Cocal last night. My plan was to hang out and watch the scene. I haven't seen that many off the chart looking women together at one place ever in Costa Rica. The average was about a 7.5. Over half of the top ten trophy look women I have ever been with were there. Based on looks alone, I would have taken 90% of them. Former Ticas of the month from CRT, Sportsman's Dance Contest winners, Tango India and Pelufos strippers, Del Rey Colombianas, Panamenians dozens of young new faces were well represented. Guys were showing up by the tour bus load. I saw at least 5 or 6 groups of ten guys show up with two groups wearing t-shirts from the bachelor party they represented. Girls were leaving with customers practically every minute or two at times and others coming back form their last date equally fast. A taxi would pull up, a girl or two would get out and a girl and customer would get in it. The ratio at times could have been more than 1 guy for each girl, there were a lot of women there, probably over 150 but there were also a lot of customers there for them. It was going strong when I got there at 7:30 and was still packed at 11pm when I headed home. I knew at least 15 women that were there last nignt and either watched them take customers and head out or was told by them that they were having a good night. There is a woman that I have seen at the Del Rey for the past three or four years. She is a beast. It is not that she is fat, she is big and thick, with an ass that would not go into an airplane seat, a body that would fit an offensive NFL guard. She was there with a crew from the Del Rey that would have been old ten years ago. That was by far the worst that was there and there were only 4 or 5 of them. I have no idea how the Rey was last night but I have never seen it as good as the Cocal was last night.

Thanks for the ground report, Pops!

What you describe sounds mouth-watering to me...regardless of how competitive it might be, you're going to pay some money to play. Just have to choose wisely to maximize the value you get for the hard earned $$$ you spend.

I've decided to go mid-week in early June, as opposed to the prime Thursday/Saturday run that most people aim for. Might work better to play the field. Also, perhaps by then, the high season will definitely be over and things will shift more in favor of the buyers. :wink:


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I've decided to go mid-week in early June, as opposed to the prime Thursday/Saturday run that most people aim for. Might work better to play the field. Also, perhaps by then, the high season will definitely be over and things will shift more in favor of the buyers. :wink:


From what I understand (talking to girls), many go to Jaco on the weekend, to work the weekend, from San Jose or wherever.

Pops was there on Friday night. I've been to the Cocal on a weekend night (merely researching, not fishing), so will have to defer to those that have gone during the week.

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Great report from Pops but the client I took back on Saturday said Thursday was even better than Friday night :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Summer time Jaco has been on the up and up for years. Thurs/Fri/Saturday is the time to go there for stunners, but you also have to deal with the price increases. Some of those woman live in San Jose and will work at MP/Stripclub/ visit Del Ray/Sportsmen's Sun-Wednesday. I know cause I ask them what they are doing Fri-Sat and they always say they will be in Jaco.

I'm still a San Jose guy because of the variety. MP's, Stripclubs, Del Ray, and I like the old shit slot machines at the Del Ray and poker room. Town is fun to walk around during the day and all the different places to eat and drink. Parks are nice to relax in as well.

I always found something I liked in the Del Ray, Sport's, stripclub, or MP in San Jose any day of the week.

Money doesn't really bother me but I don't like being quoted $150 off the bat, they will still take $80-120 sometimes but some try to stick with it.

In San Jose I know MP's range from $20-60. Del Ray and Sport's most I be quoted is $100 and stripclubs are like $65.

I stay at La Amistad and my first stop in a night is Sportsmen. If I see something I like I get here # and usually offer her a drink. I stop by new fantasy just to see what is there late night then Zona II, sometimes I don't make it past there and then to Del Ray. If nothing tickles my fancy I go to one of 3 stripclubs, after an hour or 2 back to Del Ray. Around this time I have already found something I liked but if I didn't I just contact a few of the #'s I pickup ed along the way.

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