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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:58 pm 
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I also know that the girls make a score every now and then and many guys pay or are willing to pay much more than $100.High season is gringo season according to a former working girl living in vegas now.In the past she has told me that $300 and $400 are possible but not the norm.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:00 pm 
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"Sometimes we get a group of guys, 10 staying in the same place, and three of us chicas visit and take care of all them but not all at the same time! :shock: Doesn't happen all the time but we can make 500 dollars each in a short time."

Alright, if I'm hanging with 10 buddies, you can be sure we are not going to share 3 chicas. :shock: Talk about a bad ratio....WTF


That's what I'm sayin...WTF!! :shock: :P


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:18 pm 
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As much as MH's chica wants to tell-all, in the limited few nights I have spent at the Cocal, I'd say 90% of the chicas NEVER LEAVE with a client. I'm usually there for 4 to 5 hours just hanging out, and the majority of faces wander to and fro, but only a few disappear and return later.

*IF* she is doing 3 or 4 a night, it is dead obvious that she is damn-near the only one pulling that kind of load from the Cocal. Most of those girls go home without work (and actually never even get bought a drink).

As to the parties with groups, I have not been to any and have no idea how they operate. Perhaps THAT is the real scene down there, and the Cocal is just the overflow bucket.


That's quite all right, you're entitled to your opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:20 pm 
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Your friend seems to have it together more than most.ln my very limited experience I have met a couple. Usually they can't wait to spend the $$ They make and many don't pursue another client after getting paid. I think we can all agree that most chicas don't handle money very well....but neither do I.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:57 am 
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As much as MH's chica wants to tell-all, in the limited few nights I have spent at the Cocal, I'd say 90% of the chicas NEVER LEAVE with a client. I'm usually there for 4 to 5 hours just hanging out, and the majority of faces wander to and fro, but only a few disappear and return later.

*IF* she is doing 3 or 4 a night, it is dead obvious that she is damn-near the only one pulling that kind of load from the Cocal. Most of those girls go home without work (and actually never even get bought a drink).

As to the parties with groups, I have not been to any and have no idea how they operate. Perhaps THAT is the real scene down there, and the Cocal is just the overflow bucket.


That's quite all right, you're entitled to your opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah. I only know what I experience when I am there, and I am there VERY little. I don't have chicas telling me their scene either. So from my limited perspective, that's what I think I know. :?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:37 pm 
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If the esteemed gentleman from Miami, Mr. Heller, says it (about mongering) you can take it to the bank.
Politics? Well....not so much :lol: :lol: :lol:

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If the esteemed gentleman from Miami, Mr. Heller, says it (about mongering) you can take it to the bank.
Politics? Well....not so much :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, but I can't imagine these girls are scoring 3 or 4 guys a nite from the Cocal. Jeez, that's 200-300 guys a nite getting laid, unless the guys are themselves pulling 3 or 4 different chicas (at $150 a pop). :mrgreen:

I don't doubt that a well-known provider cannot score that level of business, but I just don't think it's a majority thing.

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that's 200-300 guys a nite getting laid, unless the guys are themselves pulling 3 or 4 different chicas (at $150 a pop). :mrgreen:


Why keep up with the $150 mess? Many ask for that but very few get it. Guys that actually go to Jaco for more than a beach have said this isn't true over and over so not sure why you keep propagating bad info.

As for numbers in Jaco, I'd say 300 guys a night is on the low side...

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:06 pm 
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The point originally made by Pops was there are a lot more mongers visiting Cocal during the busy season than what others seem to believe. Therefore the monger to chica ratio isn't as favorable as some believe, and so we have the $150 Cocal quote for ST.

Think about it for a second.

If the ratio of chicas to mongers at Cocal is always so skewed in mongers' favor, then why have chicas flocked to Jaco/Cocal for years in the first place? To compete with 150 girls for 10 gringos?

If the ratio of chicas to mongers is so skewed, why is it so hard to book a room at Cocal or a condo in Vista del Mar (unless you do it far in advance of your visit)?

The hot ones are going because they know they'll find at least one (and probably more) high roller on vacation, while the fuglies / desperate go hoping they'll get lucky and get a horny cheap gringo to pull them.

I don't understand how some got the idea every Cocal girl pulls 3-4 guys per night. I guess it wasn't clear I was quoting a conversation with ONE Cocal girl.

Does anyone believe she gets 3-4 gringos per night EVERY night she goes to work? If she did, she would only have to work 4 nights per month @ $150/gringo to gross at least 1800 to 2400 USD, which is a respectable income in CR. I even quoted her saying she usually works 3 nights per week and sometimes more.

It's pretty clear her work plan is to get multiple clients per night in the least amount of time so she can reach her desired monetary target, which usually matches whatever bills are due that week. If she can make her target with one just customer and she doesn't feel greedy, I'm sure she'll forego looking for more customers and head back home. If she didn't make her target one night, she'll be there the next night looking to make her goal.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:35 pm 
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Think of it this way. How many rooms are there at the Cocal, Poisidon, Copacabana, Vista Del Mar, and Crocs? Add in the Clydes that are in the other hotels and condos around town. On any Friday or Saturday night, how many guys do you think are in Jaco for bachelor parties? How many fishermen come over to the Cocal from Los Suenos. You don't notice them but the girls are experts at finding them. Two hundred guys getting laid on a Friday or Saturday night is probably a low estimate. Half the girls at the Cocal are lucky if they get one. They are the ones who don't have a clue, the designated ugly, the ones with no English at all. We don't go there to find girls that would be average in a low end pension. We pass them up at the Del Rey and Sportsman's. The girls that you recognize from the Sportsman's and Del Rey who are working there are the ones who were use to getting customers regularly in San Jose. Many of the girls who work there have regular customers who show up in town. They drop what they are doing to go take care of them the same as they do in San Jose. If I walk into the Cocal and the right woman is there, I may not be there for five minutes before I grab her and am gone. BD, How long do you wait around in Monica's if you walk in and see Michelle there? It doesn't take me more than a few seconds to decide if I see Sophia.

Ever think some of these girls are just a phone call away from working? All of this effects the cost of pu*sy. I know dozens of women who work there that two and more customers on the average per night is the norm on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night. On any Thursday, Friday or Saturday night there are at least 60 or 70 customers for them staying at the Cocal and Vista del Mar alone. How long do you think it takes a chica to session and get back to the pool? Remember sitting at the lobby bar at the Rey and betting on how long it would take one of the real hardcore Barbies to get back downstairs after taking a Clyde upstairs? Just like at the Del Rey or Sportsman's, some guys take two or more in an evening. Most of the guys who are staying at these locations take at least one. Add in 10 or 15 guys at each of Crocs, Posidon, Copacabana, a few at Claritas and a dozen other hotels around town. It adds up. There are customers there for them. You also have the taxi drivers referring girls to customers, and the locals who have friends in town who call girls over for private parties. Don't K*D yourself. These girls are making money. On any given Friday night, how many guys do you think are staying at the Cocal who have ever heard of CRT? Think anybody ever told them you are not suppose to pay cien? I've seen lots of guys drop $500 buying shots for bartenders at the Del Rey. Several of them on this board. There was a blonde bartender with bolt ons at the Rey years ago that $500 was the price for an hour. She had guys lining up to give it to her.

Go and have dinner at the Los Suenos Marina. A beer and salad will cost you $25. A meal with a couple top shelf drinks, a steak and salad and you are looking at close to $100. I have friends on this board that spend this to eat. You think they are concerned about paying cien? Factor in the guys who want todo la noche at three to five hundred. We are educated consumers. We don.'t pay sticker price. Don't K*D yourself, there are a lot of people who do. Go to a car dealership and they only have one super delux sports car. They have sold a half dozen for sticker price. They can't get them as fast as people are buying them. Think they are going to give you a fifty percent discount? Just because you don't see the other customers doesn't mean they don't exist.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:40 am 
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We are educated consumers. We don.'t pay sticker price. Don't K*D yourself, there are a lot of people who do. Go to a car dealership and they only have one super delux sports car. They have sold a half dozen for sticker price. They can't get them as fast as people are buying them. Think they are going to give you a fifty percent discount? Just because you don't see the other customers doesn't mean they don't exist.

Another great post Pops, I stand corrected. I should have made the distinction between CRT readers and the guy fishing/partying in Jaco with no info or guys that just don't care about $$. The girls throw out the $150 bait and see what happens. For sure, there are guys dropping big money but most CRT guys I know get what they want at the 'normal' price. Some girls hold out for the big $$ but many will go a 'normal' time and be back soon thereafter to find 'next'. Spot on about TLNs as well.

To be honest, most of the girls making the big money never get near Cocal. BD had it right on the bachelor party scene (including fishermen) idea a few posts back and combined with rich expats and even rich locals, those girls don't need to visit Cocal. And everyone always asks me where are all the Colombian girls in Jaco disappeared to...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:50 am 
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Pops MH PVT and BD all have made valid points. When I originally called bullshit on pops it was not in a vindictive manner but it was misunderstood. Im glad to see the information being clarified a bit especially between high/green season.This is a small sample of trips but all stays at cocal rooms were available on Monday and Tuesday with hotel filling up after that during both seasons I even stayed at hotel 9 1 night march of 2015 because cocal supposedly sold out ...then they experienced cancellations. In December I booked both cocal and crocs for next trip but cancelled cocal. I think we all agree that if you want to find a chica you will. However the price quoted and paid is never standard a girl that goes for $150 Friday might go for 100 Saturday. There are always going to be high rollers but imho not enough to price any of us out. Yes some big spenders some cheap mongers some savvy mongers and some like me are just fools but the girls will be out and so will we.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:08 am 
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Pops wrote:
...Two hundred guys getting laid on a Friday or Saturday night is probably a low estimate. Half the girls at the Cocal are lucky if they get one..

Pops, are you saying that half the chicas at Cocal leave empty-handed? because later on you say that they are making money. I agree with your quote above, as it matches my (again, very limited) experience onsite.

Anyway, back to the point of the thread. I think the sun has set on the 'old' HDR. Cocal was just the last nail in the coffin. Though I still enjoy visiting it, I doubt it'll ever regain any of its former glory. The REAL question is: is the same true for Costa Rica in general?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:48 am 
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I'm confused. Is the HDR dead or not?

It seemed to be in a state other than dead last Saturday.

Some of the talent looked near dead, but not dead yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:03 am 
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I'm confused. Is the HDR dead or not?

It seemed to be in a state other than dead last Saturday.

Some of the talent looked near dead, but not dead yet.

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It is being kept alive by life support means (savvy budget mongers, connoisseurs of the gulch scene and certain Tico fans). It is merely a feeble ghost of it former (circa 2004 or thereabouts) self.

There has been no upkeep, the place is operated by cruise control and, most importantly the higher spending clientele as well as the top and middle shelf talent is gone to Cocal or gone from Costa Rica altogether.


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