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[quote="Pops"]Good Friday at the Cocal or any venue here you are lucky there is a girl there. It is their most important holiday of the year. They are with friends and family. On a normal Friday night at the Cocal there will be well over a hundred women and the quality of looks will be exceptional on the average. There will be a few that would be average at the Del Rey. The girls who are there, just like the girls who work the Del Rey are usually on a mission and quite mercenary. You get a hurry up and get through, it's my body, I set the rules, session. They are there for one reason, to make money. It doesn't mesh with my idea of a relaxed, laid back gfe session, where the clock is not an issue. There are exceptions to the rule to be found and ways to make it happen. One way to make it happen is to tell her you don't want to rush, get her number and text her and tell her to call you after midnight if she gets free. That gives her the chance to make money but puts you at risk of not taking anything if she wifes up for the night.

Understand the conditions. Guys go there to fish usually show up on Thursday and leave on Sunday. They make a long weekend trip from the states. They are dropping $300 to $500 each for a day of fishing if they have several friends sharing the boat costs. No friends and they may be dropping a grand or more each. They have money. They have little problem dropping big money on a girl that would cost them $500 plus an hour in Vegas. The fishing is good until August, September and October. Then the number of people here to fish drops off too. The girls call fishing season, Gringo season. Most of the girls go to Jaco on Thursday afternoon and come back to where ever they are from on Sunday morning. Sunday night, Monday through Wednesday are generally local girl nights at the Cocal. There are many, especially Dominicanas and Colombianas who live there for three months at a time, leave the country to get their visas renewed and return. The ratio of women to customers is close to 1 to 1 on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night. It is a sellers market for them. If you want a trophy, you have to pay. You compete with the big money guys who are there fishing. Sunday through Wednesday the ratio can be 4 or 5 girls for each customer who shows up. There aren't as many girls but the chance of taking the best that is there for a reasonable price increases as the night grows later.[/quote


Too rich for my blood. For the money that the fishermen spend on their expensive girls and fishing , I will go to Long John Silvers. Those guys remind me of the suckers that we used to throw back while trout fishing.
They have more money than brains. I prefer to use my skills in San Jose to try to land a decent 7 or 8 GFE.

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These guys probably get off more with the Bigshot Throwing Lots of Money Around thing than they do the actual time in their rooms with the Ticas. 50% of them are probably playing Weekend Millionaire on the credit cards they haven't yet maxed out. Bigshots that aren't truly Bigshots are Tidious.
I'll take a San Jose GFE over that scene anytime!

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I'll call bullshit on ratio of 1-1 on Thursday friday Saturday at cocal and also on prices. Quality can be found at $100....but not at $40.

Since I am the one who described the ratio at one girl to one customer and this was declared bullshit by a fellow forum contributor I will elaborate my position. On Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights there are generally more than a hundred women who work at the Cocal. They come and go during the evening. Some go and don't come back. Most who go return after an hour or two. You walk in and see eighty women and thirty guys. This looks like a two or three to one ratio. During the evening the guys trickle in. They are never all there at the same time. They find a girl, go back to their hotel and have fun for an hour or two and call it a night. The girl goes back to the Cocal. On a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night a countable number of customers pass through the Cocal. On Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights the number of customers more closely equals one customer for each girl. At times it may be more that one customer per girl. What is important to the girls is that they get at least one customer. How flexible they are going to be on their price depends on what they think their chances are based on their experience in judging the crowd. A girl who hasn't had a customer by ten o'clock is more likely to come off of $150 than she would be at 8pm. A girl that has had two customers by who paid $150 before 10pm is more likely to stick to $150 or try to get more.

I didn't mention $100 vrs. $40 but I will examine this too. How much you pay does not guarantee quality regardless of the amount. I don't care if you pay $1000. Some of the best sessions I have experienced were for $40 and some of the worst were for $100 or more. Some of the women that are getting $100 now at the Cocal were earning $20 when they worked at mps, the house got the other half. I think you might get an argument from a lot of guys if you try to tell them that the girl they paid a hundred for at the Sportsman's, Del Rey or Cocal was not quality. That same girl having worked at an mp at one time or another during her career. Does a $10,000 Rolex keep better time than a hundred dollar Seiko?

As far as offering the hottest woman at the Cocal $40 and having a good chance of walking out with her, not likely. Offer her $100 you stand a chance depending on whether she has worked that night. Offer her $500 and I guarantee she will go unless you are a freak. If you are Brad Pitt, or just look like Brad Pitt, they may go with you for free.

The guys who drive the price up in Jaco are the ones who come to fish, play golf or go to bachelor parties. They are not there to monger. We are the ones who are trying to get the most we can for a price we think we can afford. Who would you rather work for a customer who watches every nickel and tries to squeeze more and more out of you or a customer who pays you generously and was happy with what you provided in the way of a service? Don't bitch about it. Without them, the girls wouldn't be there at all.

The reason the quality of girls at the Del Rey has changed is because the type of customer that frequents the Rey has changed. What is left are professional mongers (us), the occasional guy visiting San Jose on business that drops in and the local Ticos. Customers who will try to talk them down to $60. Sit and watch the show at the Rey on a Friday night. There use to be a parade going upstairs and out the door with customers. Now you see hot women stand for hours without a customer. They really have to hustle.

As long as there are men in Costa Rica, there will be prostitution. Women are where you find them. Their job is to charge what the market will allow. The job of the monger is to get the most service that he can for a reasonable amount of money. Trying to squeeze the price down too far will eventually result in inferior service and inferior providers. Costa Rica is still a monger's paradise. Are there better places in the world? Possibly. I would argue that everything considered it is still great if not the best.

Pops - a very well crafted thesis on putanomics. Thank you.

Matches some accounts chicas have offered to me in casual conversation.

And matches my experence of little to no correlation between price and service.

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Turning out to be a great thread here with other great contributions from Jawanker, et al. Pops is really doing a great job with his sober and accurate analysis of many facets of this thing of ours all over this board. Thank you, Pops.





Whether "intelligent" or "professional" (Pop's term) the answer is yes. If you have signed on to this lifestyle with a view of enhancing your overall experience, you will naturally branch out to other venues, hone your skills, and likely find what you want somwhere beyond Costa Rica. Almost 10 years on this board I have seen countless gents come and go. Very few here from 2006. They evolved. For many of our group Costa Rica was mongering 101 and we cut our teeth here in this lifestyle. A few like BB57 and Pops have reached their golden years are content to stay within their own niche and find happiness where they are. Some others still pop into CR occasionally and are able to eek out a decent time. Go pull up the top 200 or so lifetime posters on CRT. I have met many of these guys, and they all have had or are having their unique journeys where the road led them to lands beyond. Passing through CR was part of the process of becoming a "self-actualized" monger.

There is a "Whatever happened to....?" thread somewhere here in the archives. Should try to dig that up

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Pops nothing personal but I'll stand by my bullshit call...but you do put an interesting spin on it. Anybody who frequents cocal knows the ratio of girls to guys is excellent even on holiday weekends. If you have never been there my advice is check it out and decide for yourself. As for fishermen driving up prices same was written about del rey when I first started going in 2006.
However I have found no spike in prices at rey or cocal. Rey since 2006 cocal sincec2012

Pops wrote.....

The reason the quality of girls at the Del Rey has changed is because the type of customer that frequents the Rey has changed. What is left are professional mongers (us), the occasional guy visiting San Jose on business that drops in and the local Ticos. Customers who will try to talk them down to $60. Sit and watch the show at the Rey on a Friday night. There use to be a parade going upstairs and out the door with customers. Now you see hot women stand for hours without a customer. They really have to hustle.

Absolutely correct...this is the reason for The Death of HDR as we knew it back in the early to mid 2000s. Welcome to the new HDR, and gringo gulch!

You obviously haven't been to the Del Rey or Cocal on Good Friday or Christmas. I've lived here for ten years and have taken dozens of newbies to the Cocal. Hundreds to the Del Rey. I've spent more time in the Cocal than you have spent in Costa Rica. There were several years that I lived between the Sportsman's and Del Rey and was in the Rey every night. I have been in the Rey when there were five girls there at 8pm.

As for ratio, you admit it is important. What you see when you walk in the Rey or Cocal looks to be a heck of a lot of women compared to the number of men. That is deceiving. What the girls care about are the number of actual customers who show up during the night not how many are there at any one time. They also care about the quality of customer who shows up. Their idea of quality is one they can turn over quick or one who is willing to drop big bucks on them. That equates to young guys here for bachelor parties and old guys who have the money to fish out of Los Suenos. There was a time at the Del Rey when there was a parade going out the door and upstairs. Go there now and watch how slow it is on Friday and Saturday nights. There are still plenty of guys and women there but the crowd is heavy with locals who don't take anyone and Ticos who try to get them to go for $40. The price is the same now at the Rey as it was ten years ago. You just don't get the quantity of hot women who were there ten years ago. Ten years ago people complained that they couldn't get them to come off of cien. Now that is no problem at the Rey. The ones that are still working there heard the same argument ten years ago. Now the complaint is they won't come off $150 at the Cocal and you say the price hasn't changed. Get real. What has changed is the people who had no problem dropping $100 on them ten years ago at the Del Rey don't go to the Del Rey the first night they are in Costa Rica or pass through the Del Rey on the way back to the states. They get off the plane and go straight to Jaco. The new road and the completion of Los Suenos are what caused the change. I know women who work the Cocal who say it isn't unusual to get three to five hundred from a customer for a couple hours and you say the guys going there to fish don't drive the price up.

If you own a business or are an independent contractor the last thing you want is a customer who is well informed and who insists on getting as much as they can for their money. Customers that you can't please regardless of how hard you try. This is what we are to them. You said in the past that you have worked for tips. Who would you rather cater to the customer who gives you 10% or the one who gives you 30%? Could you spot the big tippers or at least think you could spot them? Was there a network among co-workers who let you know which customer was a good one to grab if you had a chance? These girls profile us. There are customers that many will not go with. There are customers they love to see coming. Most here will tell you they like Asian guys. They profile them as having small packages and being big spenders. They all hate Ticos whom they consider cheap. Many avoid black guys from fear of huge dicks. I have friends who come here from the states who are Hispanic and who find women are less likely to approach them than the obvious gringo they are with.

The scene in Costa Rica is still great. It is different. Great women are still here to be found. At the Cocal you get the mercenaries who have the hurry up and get through so I can get back and find another fool. The same ones you would see at the Del Rey and take bets on how long it would be before she would be back after taking a guy upstairs. The ones that give you $15 worth of service for cien. The ones that insist on pay me up front, hurry up and get through, you came I'm out of here, the ones that have more rules than the IRS. At the Cocal you have to look for the newbie girl. The one who hasn't learned the ropes. The real expert mongers can spot one a hundred yards away.

I for one have no problem paying cien or $150 for a girl if I get cien or $150 worth of service. I evaluate what I pay based on the quality of the best sessions I have had and what I had to pay for them. Since I have had great sessions that I paid $40 for at mps with great looking women with great attitudes, for me to pay $150 I expect or receive two or three hours room time. I get that on a regular basis. Thing is I very rarely discuss price or negotiate services. I pay them what I think their service was worth after we finish. I evaluate the ones I take carefully. I live here and can watch one at times for weeks or months before deciding to take her. I am able to get reports form others who have been with them as to the type and quality of service. I know how to interview one and find out what to expect without signing a contract. Want to know if they will give bbbj, ask them if they like the taste of leche. Tell them that women have told you that men who eat a lot of pineapple have C*m that tastes sweet. Ask them if that's true. Ask them if they spit or swallow. Ask them in a playful way. Ask them about their sexual fantasies. Ask if she has ever serviced two or three guys at the same time. Ask if her ass hurts the next day after sex. Ask her if her pu*sy hurts the next day after drinking tequila. Ask her if women give better oral sex than men. Then ask if they like to have the kitty licked. Ask if they like to be tied up and spanked. Ask them if they are good kissers. If they say yes then say mostrame (show me). Want to know about attitude, tell her natural breasts are silicon. If she says no natural, argue with her. Most will either let you feel or will pull them out and show you. If they are silicon ask if they feel natural. The good ones will be eager to let you feel.

I've been to Vegas probably twenty times in my life. I have my opinions about Vegas. I don't think my knowledge of Vegas is anywhere near sufficient to make a fool of myself trying to convince people that I know more about Vegas than someone who has lived there for years. Your twenty times in Costa Rica in the past ten years qualifies you as an expert? I've been to the Cocal twenty times in the past year. Twice last month. You've stated in the past that you have never been asked for $150. How many people on this board who have been here twenty times can say that who have taken women from the Cocal. You say you wife up when you go there and have never paid over $100. I thought there was an appearance code at Croc's. You had to have found that one on the street. You set the tone of this discussion. You are entitled to your opinion. Maybe my opinion amounts to nothing more than bullshit.

I was not referring to you when I said go for yourself and decide that statement was aimed at others who have never been to cocal. Sorry you took it so personal and yes I have been wifing up but I'm not blind . We simply disagree on the ratio of women to men. Even with my extremely limited knowledge of Costa Rica and your expert knowledge I assumed that good Friday easter week and Christmas were not in the discussion. I also know that you live in Costa Rica and have helped many a monger but if I remember right you charged for that service. Due to my limited experience 20+ trips I can only pass on with regards to ratios and prices what I have seen paid and offered.

As for crocs they prefer the girls to be covered up...I thought with you being an expert on jaco that was already known. The girl I have been wifing up with gets approached by security then they see her wristband. She also gets approached by other men on the hunt. You get a wristband when you check in to crocs but for 1 3some I had with her friend I did buy the friend a shirt in gift shop to appease security. Crocs has loosened up but from
what I have been told and seen it's up to security.
I know I'm a fool but do you think that everyone who disagrees with you is a fool.

As a final comment I was only calling bullshit on the ratio
Which I believe to be higher. As for the other information pops supplies us with IMHO he is accurate. Always remember ymmv always applies. I wasn't expecting this to get blown out of proportion and I do apologize.

That's some good ole fashioned old school advice Pops. The Mongers that can throw out those lines with a wink and a smile always get more mileage.
Practice Practice Practice. That's my goal.

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Pops' point seemed clear to me:

Average Monger A - let's call him "Clyde" - walks into Cocal on a Friday night at 9 PM and sees 20 mongers and over 100 girls, 15 of which are 8+ hot. He goes, "Ratio of girls to guys is 5 to 1! Excellent! Woohoo!"

Now, since Clyde is in a hurry to get laid, he doesn't stay at Cocal the whole night. Thus Clyde doesn't see the 40 other mongers who walked in before him - as well as the 50 who pass through after him - who are pulling chicas from the same pool of 100.

In other words, the ratio of chicas to mongers throughout the night is not as high as Clyde thinks it is. And the ratio of HOT chicas to mongers is much lower.

Did I get that right, Pops?

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