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 Post subject: Re: Is This Cubadave??
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:45 pm 
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Now back to Cuba Dave and his situation. Hopefully he gets out of jail on some kind of pre trial detention. I disagree with the way he participated in the hobby but I would hate to see anybody suffer and languish in prison over the offenses he is alleged to have committed. However, I fear that the Costa Rican authorities will make an example out of him and give him some time. It will be interesting to see how this situation plays out.


My guess is that he will be sentenced to four years in prison. Indeed, they want to make an example out of him. I doubt he will receive much assistance from the U.S. Embassy, considering the charges, and the U.S. government's attitudes toward prostitution in general, not to mention 'sex tourism'.
Keep in mind that the CR justice system doesn't have jury trials. His case and sentence will be decided by a judge.


And if that judge is a woman, LOOKOUT!!


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FYI...
An A.M. Costa Rica editorial 9/08/2015

The crime is posting the truth to the Internet
When lawmakers in the last legislative session proposed to criminalize describing Costa Rica as a sex tourism destination, we laughed.

Certainly common sense would prevail, we thought. You cannot criminalize posting truthful information to the Internet, right? Wrong.

The bill passed the legislature and then-president Laura Chinchilla signed the measure into law. The sex tourism crime was hidden within a series of other measures.

Certainly this will be one of those Costa Rica laws that no one enforces, right? Wrong.

Judicial police picked up a 65-year-old fan of adult prostitutes at Juan Santamaría Friday.

He will be prosecuted under a law that cannot withstand close inspection.
The man's crime, it appears, is writing about his extensive sexual exploits here and in other countries. Certainly he is not someone the average person would invite to lunch, but freedom of expression is designed to protect unpleasant statements. The general theme of the man's writing is that Costa Rica and some other Latin countries are sexual tourism destinations. And that is the truth.

The government cannot make this fact go away by making it a forbidden topic. The country has chosen not to prosecute prostitution, and that is a fact, too. Even the U.S. State Department says that Costa Rica is a sex tourism destination.

So the arrest raises troubling questions about the competency of prosecutors and lawmakers, and expats can wonder what topic will be the next that will be made off-limits.

The anti-sex tourism law comes from the president Laura Chinchilla administration.
9/07/2015 amcostarica.com

Article 8 of the law's Chapter Three says that anyone who promotes or carries out programs, campaigns, publicity announcements, making use of any medium to project the country at the national and international level as a tourist destination accessible for commercial sexual exploitation or prostitution of persons of whatever age or sex shall be penalized with from four to eight years of prison.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:11 pm 
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What does this mean for the future of this site? Certainly CR authorities could argue CRT promotes the Industry, no? And I'm not only referring to the members only VIP section. The public areas of this site also make it quite clear what it's all about. Perhaps Admin should consider making the entire site private. Thoughts?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:54 pm 
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What does this mean for the future of this site? Certainly CR authorities could argue that CRT promotes the Industry, no? And I'm not only referring to to the members only VIP section. The public areas of this site make it quite clear what it's all about. Thoughts?


It's anyone's guess at this point. It depends upon the politics (local and national) just how far the powers to be want to push it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:01 pm 
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Gentlemen,

The questions/issues whether it`s a social media page or web site that have been brought to my attention by legal experts I visit with are;

How do member photo galleries get posted posted to the site and by whom? Anonymous members most likely should be OK.
Are there direct references to prostitution in advertisements on the main site or the forum?
Do girl reviews or references have direct contact info for future business on the site?
Do maps exist directing readers to pensions or MP`s or to escort services with prices listed?
Videos with girls represented as prostitutes are the most obvious of all obvious promotion of a sex tourism local to law enforcement.

To date this is what I have heard.
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What does this mean for the future of this site? Certainly CR authorities could argue that CRT promotes the Industry, no? And I'm not only referring to to the members only VIP section. The public areas of this site make it quite clear what it's all about. Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:20 am 
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Goodtimes wrote:
What does this mean for the future of this site? Certainly CR authorities could argue CRT promotes the Industry, no? And I'm not only referring to the members only VIP section. The public areas of this site also make it quite clear what it's all about. Perhaps Admin should consider making the entire site private. Thoughts?



Wow, have I been out of the loop! I had no idea all of this has been going on! WOW. I was thinking the same exact thing. If CD if prosecuted for this, how can the owners/admin of this site not become targets? I mean there are discounts to monger hotels, Zona 2, maps, etc., etc. There really is no defense to this vague law. I knew of CD but had no real opinion either way of the man. Had never met him. Hearing what BangBang has to say regarding his experience, he certainly was a less than honorable person. Sounds like BB was personally harmed by this guy as well as people he knew.

However, with that being said, I think the bigger picture is what does this mean in the long run? If one of us posts a trip report on the internet are we guilty of the sin of promoting sex tourism? I haven't uploaded any pics to this site THANK GOD. What does this mean for CRT and the entire hobby down there? From what BB says there are powerful forces that would like to end this mongering tourism. This may have LONG lasting effects and they may just start arresting gringos off this vague law to send a message we're not wanted there anymore. They could effectively outlaw prostitution without actually passing the law to do it. US politicians do it all the time when they don't have the votes to outright change a law or ban something. An analogy could be cigarettes, where the states make them so damn expensive with taxes, they are close to outlawing them without ever having to pass a law banning them. Arrest enough dumb gringos on "promoting sex tourism" then watch the industry dry up. Prostitution would still be legal, technically, but nobody wants to pay that price (possibility in a CR jail). What slippery slope does this go down? Example: You tell a buddy at a bar, "hey I had a great time with chica X at place Y", does that not promote sex tourism? If Tico/Tica bartender overhears you and reports you to the authorities could they not possibly arrest you?....I know it sounds ridiculous, but is it?

I'm not here to defend or support CD but I DON'T think the man should rot in a Costa Rican prison. Give the man a nice sized fine, deport, and ban him for life. Done. Seriously, he doesn't sound like a great guy but freaking PRISON??? All of us fellas aren't probably on any morale high ground and I'm not going to bash anybody when it could easily be any of us one day. Just some thoughts my friends. We don't have to support Cuba Dave, but damn we should all be against this shitty law.


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Article 8 of the law's Chapter Three says that anyone who promotes or carries out programs, campaigns, publicity announcements, making use of any medium to project the country at the national and international level as a tourist destination accessible for commercial sexual exploitation or prostitution of persons of whatever age or sex shall be penalized with from four to eight years of prison

Law sounds pretty phucking vague to me. That is no bueno. :x


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If he is still in jail here I hope he has a good lawyer. This is the land of Pura Vida full of contridictions. Luis Milenes has served one night in jail and he stole 200 million dollars. Enrique Villalobos stole 0ne Billion dollars making him the largest thief in history (before Madoff) and he ran away without serving a day.


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Who was the anonymous source cited by OIJ in their "press release" that led to his arrest as he arrived at the airport? Somebody that was close to him no doubt.


An anonymous source wasn't necessary. Following his incident at MIA (returning from the DR) and the article in the Miami Herald, and his subsequent activities, the OIJ probably had his name and passport number on a 'watch/detain' list for quite awhile.

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The Foro de Costa Rica has many more posts than this site will ever have, if they start going after some of their users than it would raise some serious concern.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:56 pm 
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What does this mean for the future of this site? Certainly CR authorities could argue CRT promotes the Industry, no? And I'm not only referring to the members only VIP section. The public areas of this site also make it quite clear what it's all about. Perhaps Admin should consider making the entire site private. Thoughts?

Well, the folks that have been plastering Luna's phone # all over the site should be worried. The CRT map that BB & BD put together will have to go. I'm no lawyer, but these two examples seem to be in violation of the law.

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Yes thats true but you don't see many if any Ticos with their shirts off and in the picture with the Chicas.


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Just my thoughts,,,,, I know nothing more than my opinion....he will be home before world series start....


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:32 pm 
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CubaDave had several close calls and plenty of warning. The govt in Dominca told him he was persona non grata in the country after they closed both Passions and CMD based upon the CubaDave.com promotions. Based upon the Miami Herald article, it seems the US govt accosted him recently in Miami and confiscated his electronics. How many warnings does one need? If Mansions massage parlor gets closed it will be very clear the Costa Rica govt is targeting the businesses which Cuba Dave promoted.

It almost seems the law in Costa Rica against promotion of sexual tourism was written for Cuba Dave and potentially CRT. I worry the connection of Admin3 / Dan Caro with Cuba Dave and being the developer and tech support for http://www.CubaDave.com, plus his work with CRT may cause CRT to be a target. Bill should have replaced him years ago and the risk to CRT might have been avoided.

The attention to CRT that Dan Caro has caused with his CRT Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/costaricaticas ) where events at Zona II and Sportsmens are promoted and lacking only the nude photos that appear on Cubadave.com. The CRT Facebook is clearly promoting sexual tourism in Costa Rica just as much as Cubadave.com but just not in as blatant of manner. Without CRT being linked to Dan Caro's CRT Facebook page, CRT might have been seen but just overlooked by the Costa Rican government since CRT was not using social media to promote sexual tourism.

Several of us old farts tried to warn Admin3 and the owner of CRT, but they just did not want to hear it. Those of you in San Jose who know Dan be sure to tell him what you think. To me, his hero worship of Cuba Dave has clouded his judgment and has potentially created huge problems for CRT and it's owner. I'm sure there is more to come.


That pretty much sums it up."but not in a blatant manner"

He had plenty of red flags, but chose to ignore them, getting stopped by ICE in the US, is a big, BIG, BIG
warning sign. Getting kicked out Dominican Republic, The US Governments reach is far and wide, particularly with hammer of "foreign aid." Regardless, with the new Trigger Word/Phrase "Human Trafficking" foreign governments don't like the stigma attached with the Human Trafficking.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:41 pm 
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It's not about writing a trip report telling everybody how great MP X is. It's about selling guides and starting websites (on how to find hookers and places) in CR. When you start making money off of the hobby, that changes things. When you have followers, that changes things.

I just don't get why some guys can't go and enjoy themselves, and let it end there. Why they need to post pics of themselves and their conquests, and publicize everything they do. Then they get the genius idea that they can start making money off their wisdom. Sometimes it seems they do this to give the authorities a big FU.


It's the ego. I'm guilty. I've told people of Costa Rica. I shouldn't have. Live and learn. Now, those same people I tell them I don't do that stupid stuff and to stop mentioning it. It's no one's phucking business what I do in my private time.

Cuba Dave had it coming to him. More than likely he piss ed off the wrong people and they wanted him gone. However, with the raids that go on from time to time I think the government is starting to crack down. Not full force but maybe a taste of what's to come.


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