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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:51 pm 
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Capo,
I agree with the points you and others made about this not being a purely economic decision. But I think you guys are being just a little too hard on gringa *******. I have no idea what the scene is like in NJ, but I can tell you what it is like in FL and other places I have lived. Yes there are lots of bait-n-switch, stash-n-dash, up-selling, non-gfe, rules and restrictions. But good quality GFFE's CAN be found sometimes and sometimes even at very reasonable rates. However if you are going to factor in all the travel costs into your CR calculation, it wouldn't be fair if you didn't also factor in all the BS you have to go through to find those few really good ******* in the US. Because they can be so rare, you just have to really hold on to them when you do find them and only then can you bring down your real costs to a reasonable level. When I was younger, I actually dated a girl I met as an escort, got many "free sessions", but more importantly completely GFE (with only 1 F, guys). I lost touch with her after I moved to FL but I still think about her very fondly every now and then.

The thing that has been left out of this discussion is an economic/qualitative comparison not just between CR and the US but between CR and other foreign locales. For me and many other Whorticulturists it is not just an economic decision to go to CR and for us the choice is obvious. But there are plenty of guys that go to CR that do little else other than mongering. For them qualitative aspects to the sessions still come into play that mitigate towards choosing foreign mongering over bothering with the girls at home. However this is where the issue of WHICH country to monger in comes into play. While I can understand why they have given up on gringas, I don't completely understand why they have chosen CR. In this situation, they could apply a similar economic calculation to their decision making while keeping many of the "qualitative" factors equal. Do you go for latinas in CR or do you go to DR, Colombia, Rio, BA, etc.? Or do you go for some other region altogether? Of course there are still many qualitative differences, but IMHO the really key difference comes down to economic factors such as local prices, relative airfares and how many days your trip is for to spread those cost over. I think that if the "pure mongers" did such an analysis they might be surprised to see where CR really ranks for them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:34 pm 
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Goal, I feel ya brother, especially after some flight delays, waiting for rides, etc. Being in SFL, we do have some options, but then I run down CapoD2TCapo's lists:
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In the states you are:

1. Dealing with for the most part Gringa ******* and the attitudes that go with that.

2. Rules / Rules / Rules and renegotiations after the fact (TIP PLEASE ETC)

3. 1 HOUR for your 150.00. If your done early BYE BYE. If your not done another 150.00 please.

4. When your done after your hour NOW WHAT? Do you go out for the evening, Stay home, call another one in? oh yea at 150.00 each! or do you go down to the local tavern and think about the rest of then night?

5. Is there any chemistry between the two of you, since you met her when she walked in 5 minutes earlier? Or CAN YOU SEND HER BACK? Pink snapper fishing at its finest.

6. Are you attracted to her a sight unseen gal, does she smoke, does she smell, is she on drugs? Where is the interview process! Grant you on the above if you see regulars some of the items here can be avoided but if your going to see a regular here in the states than why bother with an agency and mongering at all?

NOW THE COSTA RICA EXPIERIENCE!

1. YOUR ON VACATION !!!!!!! and in a foreign country with all the good that entails, no phones, work etc.

2. Your in a land where you litterally have a plethera of choices of every size, color, or desire of chica is available from a various level of envoirnements and pricing structure.

3. You can interview in any of these venues till your hearts content all the while enjoying in most places the beverage of your choice.

4. You can enjoy adult type activity, strip clubs etc, local and high end without gettng ripped off with the ability to take ladies home, have them on the premise or just enjoy the flirtation and find your score later.

5. You have inexpensive good quality food, a quality hotel, commaradarie between CRT brothers, reasonable drink prices, with daily discussions and chats among our members all the while searching for the next lady of your choice.

6. LADIES LADIES LADIES Rules some, but a good negotiator, with a little game can find all nighters with multible pops for less than what you pay for a 1 hour quickie with someone you picked off a web page.

7. LATINA LOVE or the even the illusion of it, where you for the hour, or day or even sometimes a week, makes you feel like a GOD where you are transported back to when you can remember the feelings of intimacy like when you were younger.


My conclusion...........do both! :twisted: See y'all in September! :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:48 pm 
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Goal - Good topic. For me it's a no-brainer, not close, not comparable, and not funny. It's serious shit and here's why.

As you correctly stated in my recent VIP post, guys here are desperate and that makes it a sellers market. Girls too often are stuck up bitches who won't kiss, bareback bj, or 69, let alone dfk, rim or swallow (save for Tina and other exceptions). We in South Florida have it relatively good compared to other places. (Pro, I am so sorry about Tampa. I spent a year there one day.) But that's not saying much at all. I've seen plenty of girls from Adorables and Indi and com'on, that ain't nutton special.

You can't buy here AT ANY PRICE, the experiences available in Central and South America. If you bring Rio into the discussion as a few guys have, that's especially true!! I could spend $1000 in South Florida on a given night trying to approximate the Rio experience, and you know what? You do know, don't you? It's going to fall flat on its face because the Rio experience is UN-RECREATABLE!!! FOR ANY MONEY!!!

Now if we're just talkin' getting your rocks off, why go to Adorables, PP or Indi board? The hand is way better for the budget. By the way, I don't count food or drink in vacation budgets because I do that anyway. In Rio last trip I had a very nice apt for $40, including a cell phone. RioRentals4Less.

Some people like to travel and others hate it. I admit I like it (except standing in line at airports), so the adventure factor is also part of it.

Bottom line; if I could find here what I find there for ANY money, I would re-examine the issue. But I can't and neither can you. I can make a steak at home but it ain't going to taste like Ruth's Criss steak, no matter what I do. I can't do a damn thing except go to Ruth's Criss Steak House.

I wish it wasn't so damn late, or I'd go now...to Ruth's Criss' and then San Jose....


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:06 am 
Capo,

Very good points. In other words, you can't put a price on these experiences with latin women in another country. There is just no comparison unless you meet a latina from one of these countries in the US who hasn't been "americanized" but even then you still have to go out on dates and play stupid games.

If it makes anyone feel any better, I think during my last trip I blew around $500 a day! I went a little crazy but I'm sure there are many guys who can top this figure.

But like me and my friends always say during the sex trips--when we are lying on our death bed we are going to remember all the great times we had with these women (not how much we spent on a girl on any given day) and we'll die with a big smile on our face.....

And how can anyone put a price on that?

It's all about the MEMORIES.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:10 pm 
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First some basics.... I am 66, retired, good health and after monthly debts have a free income of about $1500.00 a month. I just spent 3 months in CR.
I cannot pop a nut 4 or 6 times a day although I could lie about it but I'm sure no one lies in these posts. I have a GF in San Jose who I met thru a dating site. She is in her 50's but a fire cracker.... no cost there. I also enjoy the MPs and an occasional lady from the bars. Never from the Delray or Key Largo, although I have found some deals in the DR in the afternoon. I hit the ZB once a week to check on my favorites. I have a few regulars I can call and they drop by my apartment. I rarely pay more than 16,000 colones + 2000 for cab fare both ways. I always p4p in colones.... it's cheaper! I averaged getting laid about 8-10 times a week. I like rice and beans, pizza and chinese food so I eat cheap. I ride the bus when ever possible. My very nice and comfortable apartment cost me $425.00 per month. My point is I had a helluva time for an old guy my age... and I probably averaged $1000.00 to $1200.00 a month. No where in the states would this be possible for me.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:05 pm 
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Every post a winner! So I'll try to just add a couple thoughts that came up while reading.

Back a couple years ago, I costed out my marriage, and figured my ex cost me about $150 per. Thing was, it was all front-loaded -- the fun in the first 4 years, the payments followed afterward for about an equal time. Obviously, the average dating guy would have split long before, but the young'un was hostage to the situation and I couldn't.

Canada has some better-than-US rates, because of legality there, so that is an option on the cost curve.

You're almost talking in some places here about Marginal Utility, otherwise known as "diminishing returns" (and wasn't Ibiguana a great wrap-up to this, putting the lie to my concept even before I write it :D ).

In order to bring the average cost down, you have to, as Prolijo says, "binge". And sometimes that's the whole kick to the trip. So the 7-girls-in-7-days becomes a target for my newbie self as I think about how I would never spend like that at home.

Problem then is, what if you want to kick back for awhile? You can't inventory a $40 ZB session to take home with you. "Must be consumed on premises."

So I would guess the conclusion here might be something like: CR is not a significant discount overall, and requires frequency while there to get below breakeven. Stateside overhead is less, but it does happen per session (local travel, work time lost) so the cost of your time is a factor, too.

If you're a once a week/month guy, you really need to do the research and setup where you live.

(And thinking about that marriage calculation again, wasn't that a little like a "binge" trip, too? Only, it started to get paid for when things got spread out a few years later -- to once a week, month, etc. etc.)

Lots of other pluses and minuses mentioned here, but for overall economics, there's probably no easy conclusive comparison. I would say that I now realize I've shifted my budget over from US to CR this entire year, and I'm spending a bit more, and having a lot more fun.

And -- today -- the withdrawal curve begins, for the fourth time...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:27 pm 
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Airfare is the major expense. I calculate by number of days available for vacation. For a weekend, even a long weekend, I'm better off staying home and patronizing one or two tried-and-true regulars for $100 or $150. Less than a week is questionable. I would not amortize the cost by number of sessions I can have per day in CR. Being over 60 y.o., there's a point of diminishing returns. For more than 10 days, it's worth double the air fare to go to the Philippines with much lower costs and higher GFE.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:48 am 
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Yep, these are two different experiences.

In the US, you still have your regular day and are just spending an hour or so with the provider. In the CR, you are spending all day on your adventure, no work, etc. So, for the same money as you would spend on just an hour with an escort in the US, you get full days of fun around your time in the CR.

There is no Blue Marlin, nothing remotely close to it in the US. Sometimes I just go to the Marlin to hang, mix with the beautiful ladies, and enjoy the disneyland that this is for us. I've also met some great buddies there, too. No Key Largo in the US, the Kamur/strip club experience, everything is much different here. You can go to the Beatle Bar in Jaco, many other small bars in various beach towns and find chicas, and many other experiences outside of this.

You also get to spend time at the beach, in the jungle or in the mountains do things you normally don't get to do at home. You can see things here that don't exist in most of our home environments. I was walking down the beach the other day in a Guanacaste beach town and there was a howler monkey doing his howling in a tree right there at the beach. You won't hear that sound at any beaches in the US that I can think of.

That doesn't factor in the girls you get to meet here. I'm probably about the same as many of you, late 40's, not mistaken for any movie stars, pretty average guy that doesn't get a sniff where I live (N. Ca. Bay Area, puro hell as far as meeting ladies is concerned). Just got back from CR and met several sweet yound ladies, not at the DR but just out dancing (bedded one non-pro this way), having fun, sitting in the park by the National Theater, waiting for a ride at the airport, things just happen here that never, ever happen to me back home.

The ladies, and people in general are wonderfully different here. You ever meet a quiet taxi driver here? They are always asking about my trip, asking me where I'm from, where I've been, etc, then telling me about their favorite beach, etc. The people here tend to be pretty friendly and easy to talk to.

I was sitting in the Marlin the other night talking to a local guy about CR and what it means to probably most of the gringos and it took a little for it to sink in for him. I told him that this was "Disneylandia" for us, he about shit his pants laughing. He got it then.

I digress, I guess I got off track here a little. I think that if someone is doing cost analysis of $/squirt, they may not enjoy CR anyway.


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