Miamiheller wrote:
Actually Mr. BB my old friend and mentor, I fear I didn't get my point across.
With all due respect my example is 100% relevant to what I'm pointing out which is this: some folks persist in asserting as it were a general rule, applicable in every monger: "If you're paying cien you're trying to impress the chica or you think you'll get a better session" or "ALL LATINOS EXPECT TO NEGOTIATE (another generalization btw) and if you don't, they think you're crazy or stupid."
I still say IT IS NOT RELEVANT! What you GAVE her after the session with NO pre-determined price having been set is just that--you GAVE IT TO HER, NOT PAID HER as would have been the case if you had agreed on a price before hand. YOU have no idea what her price would have been if you had discussed it ahead of time but one can assume she was happy with the cien. Would she have gone for less?? NOT at all important now!!!! In your case there never was a price established so in no way did you give her $100 to try to impress or for a better session-would be impossible to even think you did. As for "it were a general rule" I have NEVER said nor (hopefully) even implied that I think every monger paying "cien" is doing so to impress her or get a better session. I DO KNOW thou that there are many who sadly DO!!!! As for "ALL LATINOS EXPECT TO NEGOTIATE", Maybe it is a generalization, but if so, it is one that fits virtually EVERY Latino I have ever had business dealings with, And yes, I know you are Latino, but I worked with Latinos every day for over 40 years. And I have spent much time in several Latin countries for over 50 years and Yes, they all expected me to negotiate. Maybe in the Caribbean Countries Latinos are different, but the few times I have been in the Caribbean I did not see it as being any different. This simply isn't the case for everyone who does this. My example illustrates this, and I'm not alone.
The chica you referred to (yep, I know who you mean
) as someone we both have enjoyed, albeit at different prices, actually reinforces my point, which is this: it seems to me you and others like Scuba1 believe the rest of us should do what you do in every case.
I have NEVER said that others should do as I do!! some who solely want to disagree with everything I say may say I have but they are full of bullcrap!!!! I have said many time I do not care what one pays!! It is the reason WHY they do what they do that bothers me. I have ALWAYS SAID WHAT SOMEONE ELSE PAYS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AFFECT ON WHAT I PAY. Now guys throwing 50-100% tips at chica especially when it was just "good" (not way over the top, best ever type thing), yes I think that is just plain stupid no matter how much money one has nor "I am on vacation and I will do what I want" - even more stupid!! Yes it is their right to do it but just as they do not have to listen to me or anyone else on the reason not to do it, I have the right to tell them how incorrect and utterly stupid it is!!In her case, I
chose to give her cien because I had a great time with her. She gave you "the same" quality of session for 50 or 40 or 20 or even free.
There is the difference I discussed earlier--"I CHOSE to GIVE her cien" 
YOU did not agree before the session to pay her cien!!!!! In my book there is a very BIG difference in the two. As I recently mentioned in another post, there are a few (very few) chicas that if I had to I would give "Cien" to, not because I would feel the need in order to get a better session nor to impress her, but because I know she is that good!!! The chica that is now in Miami is a case in point! I would gladly pay cien to do her if I had to!!! and you know very well that I have never said one word critical of what you paid her!!Guess what? That's totally cool with me, as I'm not preoccupied with what you paid versus what I paid. Au contraire - I'm happy for you.
What is important to ME is that I was perfectly content with the value received for the amount I paid. What you or others paid the same girl? 100% irrelevant to me.
Nor do I worry that these chicas "lose respect" for me. If we have a good client/provider relationship, they don't lose respect - they are grateful and appreciative. And if they aren't or they act up (and believe me, some have), I simply drop them from the rotation.
Now, do I always pay cien? Nope.
Do I mind paying it if the chica + session merits it? Nope.
So, to recap:
- I'm Latino, but I'm not hung up on spending my time negotiating to save 20 or 30 bucks or explicitly specifying a laundry list of "services" I require in exchange for my dollars.
- I'm on vacation. I'm there to have a good time, which I always do.
- I'm not there to impress chicas with my negotiating skills or business savvy.
- I'd rather impress them with a good time in
la cama.
My two cents,
mh
What amazes me is why I am considered so 'anti-cien"
I guess it is because I have never had to pay it and guys know that, so I "must be against paying cien". And the fact that I personally see no reason to - I know way too many chicas who are top notch in looks and service and who will gladly session for less!! If I were a tourist visiting here, and did not know so many chicas, I might pay cien. Again my objection is not WHAT someone pays, but the reason (or lack of a reason) they pay cien!! The one other problem is-it is an arbitrary figure that someone came up with years ago, and it is a price that is totally out of line with other prices in Costa Rica. And when I hear guys say "I pay it because it is so much cheaper than in the states" I cringe!! THIS IS Costa Rica-you are NOT in the USA!!!
The other aspect of the "it is so cheap compared to what I would pay in the States"--A guy comes here ! He pays $1200 dollars for transportation, hotels, meals, and miss expenses. He does 12 chicas and pays each the bargain price of "cien"! WHAT DID HE REALLY SPEND FOR EACH PLUCK
$200 Almost any where in the states you can get plucked for $200!! Where is the bargain
Other than as some (many) might say- she is a hot Latina, not a Gringa!! Hey in most parts of the USA today there are hot Latinas and/or Asians more than willing to pluck you for $200.
Maybe my posts come across as trying to tell guys what they should do and not do but in all honesty I am just trying to show guys the reality of what they do or don't do. They can take it or leave it, no skin off my old bones!!! Also most often it is based on my own mistakes over the years. As I have said many times, it is not what you pay, but the "why", and "the more the last guy paid her, the less she needs from me"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So PAY that chica big bucks guys!!!!
Whatever you say, boss.
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