www.CostaRicaTicas.com

Go ahead and call me GrimReaperJr but reading Express321's post got me crunching some numbers.

I have visited CR 7 times from Miami starting 3 years ago. Also have Rio and BA under my belt, am single, 40's and monger locally.

San Jose 4-6 days always seems to hover around $1500 including:
$300 airfare and tourist tax
$300 hotel ($70/day I like Delray and Presidente)
$400 = 4-5 delray "Cien" girls
$200 = 4-5 Oasis/IDEM/BM girls at $30-50 each (I always tip)
$300 = Who the Hell knows/Taxis/Dining/Viagra

So figure 10 girls for $1500 equals $150 which is exactly the price of a south florida girl.

http://www.platinumpleasures.com/models.htm
http://www.adorablexxx.com


Granted my favorite place on earth is sitting on the rail at BM and the CRT Bro's are as much my reason for going as the Chicas.

Add in the airport hassle and increasing number of idiot gringos it is not a slam dunk for me anymore.

Just interested in other mongers opinions....

I think you are missing the deal in SJO.

It seems like you are paying to much, and not doing enough while you are here.

I get great satisfaction, and have many more events for a lower-per-unit-cost.

Whatever you do, I wish you the best!

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It is cheaper to pay now and get it over with.
It is also easier to get them to leave.

certain non-economic factors fall into play as well. at least for me.

locally, you can visit a "relaxation" massage place for $50 + $100-$150 depending on the girl.

the airfare from my home is much more expensive that from your area. I also seem to spend more because I'm usually on a surf trip when I go to CR. so let's say, for me, it's an average of about $250 a girl in CR.

but here are some other things I consider that may not apply to everyone:

1) the illegality factor. cops sometimes raid those relaxation places and I don't want to be shown on the news in a little kimono with a towel on my head jumping into a paddy wagon in the middle of the night. they are also known to do sting operations with undercover call girls.

2) the hit and miss factor is more likely a miss. that is, your chances of landing a p4p girl here that's a dud is, in my experiance, more likely. and gfe is almost impossible.

3) locality. I got obligations here that I don't want knowing about my hobby--hence, the pictures of the beach everytime I get back.

4) the foreign country experience is also enjoyable for me. every time I go I get better and better with my accent. I learn a little more about local culture and politics. it's an experience thing.

5) latinas. I'm fascinated with them and there aren't too many around our area especially not in the p4p business.

overall, it's a little more expensive and every now and then I gotta sit there while some drunk gringo lectures me on how the world works, but it's worth it IMHO.

goal,those florida girl's shag about a 100 guy's a week and apart from those two agency's,p.p.has seven girl's only,which are great for in-call,what else is there?What about all the bull-shit trying to set up a date, and a lot of guy's would be very nervous giving out detail's about themselve's add in the L.E. possibility's and it's a no-brainer for many..........attitude,you can't put a price on that with c.r. girl's.......can you break down your rio expenditure, as i hear guy's are paying 300-400 real's for a few hour's in help disco..........

Goal...

Here's a link that might interest you (although I'm sure you probably have it already):

http://independentgirls.com/

I match your stats precisely, except that I'm planning my first trip to CR now: Heretofore my "adventures" have been predominantly Dominican. I am also equally as fluent/literate in Spanish as I am in English.

I figure the math pretty much like you do, too...except that I also figure in the cost of the loss of income I sustain whilst gone from work: This factor is the most frequent "deal-breaker" at certain times for me.

Danny and Jack & Elaine have pretty good selections, I'll admit... but they don't have the "rail"...or that special "bar" or "hotel", etc. They cannot duplicate the "chase"...the thrill of "the hunt", the "conquests", the different scenery and experiences (admittedly positives & negatives ) savored on trips (especially the first few), and the immersion experience of an ENFORCED VACATION!

Anyone can "take a vacation"...or get laid...but not everyone can screw their brains out in an Latino "ambience" with a variety of choice pickins' while they're at it!

CCP

I don't know Goal, seems to me San Jose has more
attractive ladies than that adorablexxx site, and if you
lived outside of certain counties, you would have to
have at least a two hour session, which at $320 isn't
much of a deal, and if you wanted her for 24 hours,
hell, that's $2,500. I know nothing about
the girls on those two sites, but, it has been my experience
in the past, with escort services here in the states,
that the initial price is not always for "full service".
Factor in the legal issues, and, at least to me,
Costa Rica is still a hell of a lot better deal, not to mention
the weather and other things to do besides have sex.
Also, keep in mind, a "cien" girl in Costa Rica could turn into
an all nighter, without additional cost, a hell of a lot faster than
in the states. I guess I'm lucky so far, I haven't paid "cien"
per hour in Costa Rica.
ShyOne

I have to agree with Texas & Vegas,
you ARE missing the point.
First, you don't have to spend that much on a hotel. If you are a VIP member, 3 or 4 hotels offer attractive discounts not to mention, there ae pleanty of hotels in the gultch are for 40.00 per night.
In addition, you can easily take a girl out of the Del Rey for 50.00, plus there are many massage places that VIP members get discounts - not to mention VIP, 747, and others where it will cost you 12,000 colones incuding tip.
In closing, before I moved here, I traveled here for over 6 years and I NEVER PAID more than 20,000 colones for a chica.
Take another look at your budget.
LVSteve

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This issue was raised in a recent thread started by Coqui called "Do you still monger at home?" In that thread, I did a similar analysis and came up with a "real" estimated cost of CR chicas of about $125/hr for me. As I stated in that post, the point is not really the exact numbers you use, but that many guys seem to want to overlook all those overhead costs. T&V and LVSteve also seem to be missing that point. Sure, some guys may find better deals than others, or use cheaper MP's rather than pricey colombianas. But most of us at least occasionally pay more than the MP rates, raising the average rate they pay. Whether the average straight rate they pay INCLUDING tips is $40 like LV suggested or Goal's $60 or the $50 that I used, most of the cost is still in the overhead portion. Sure you can find a hotel for $40, but most of us prefer places that afford a level of comfort at least approximating what we have at home. The currently most popular hotels are the Prez, Amon and SL with nightly rates for standard rooms of $49, $65 and $50 WITH DISCOUNTS and not including the 17% tax, so $300 for 4-6 day stay is pretty much on the mark. And LVS didn't even mention the matter of airfare, which as someone pointed out is even higher for members that don't live in S. FL. My calculations added a whopping $75/hr on top of the $50 I normally pay the girls. Again your own numbers may vary a little bit but the basic fact remains that the real cost is at least twice as much if not more than what some of us think we are paying.

Does this mean that there is no advantage to going to CR? Not necessarily. First of all, just as one needs to re-evaluate CR costs, they also need to look more carefully at domestic costs as well. Most locales do not have as inexpensive local rates as S. FL. In fact, I have made mongering trips to there from Tampa just to take advantage of the differential in rates. So while my $125 estimate may approach the best rate one can find for ******* in Miami, it still pales in comparison to the typical rates one finds in Tampa (typically closer to $300). One can try to score some low cost providers, but they usually turn out to be dogs or rip-off artists. There is a lot of bait and switch here and so when you factor in the cost of wasted appointments your real domestic cost goes even higher.

This is also true to a lesser extent even in S. FL. I used to be a member of independentgirls.com. Although their members might swear by some of those girls, I can tell you a lot of them are uggos and/or non-gfe's and the better ones charge more than the $200 that the lesser girls get. Jack & Elaines adorable girls has a great rep particularly at $150/hr, but far fewer GFE's at that rate and volume than you will find with CR girls.

The last point I made in my other post was that it ultimately it really didn't matter what numbers you came up with for CR sex vs. domestic, whether those numbers were close or far apart, since there are far more important qualitative differences. Bombero raised many of the factors that mitigate towards doing your mongering in CR. I share many of those but for me its not an either/or or a matter of one being better than the other. They each have their merits. I go to CR to vacation and to binge a bit on sex to get my money's worth. If I didn't like all the other things to do in CR and just wanted the sex I'd probably go less frequently but for longer periods to Rio and really binge. As for domestic mongering, well, whether you calculate it is or isn't worth it to take mongering trips to CR, you're still not going to be able to go to CR continuously and you're still going to want to get your rocks off every once in a while when you get back, so an occasional hooker or lapdance back at home sort of fills the gap.

Projilo;
Where to start, where to start.
Sure it costs flying down here - I used to do it from Las Vegas and the average airfare for me was 300.00 round trip.
I too, liked to stay in a comfortable place that at least approached my condo in Las Vegas. Consequently, I would negotiate a deal with the desk clerks at the Marazan where I used to pay a little as 30.00 per night with no chica fees. Sure there was taxes but that is a constant no matter where you stay. I found the hotel itself was very clean and confortable - especially after the remodel about 3 years ago.
When I first started coming down, I frequented the Del Rey but also negotiated good rates from the chicas. Later, as I got to know my way around, I made friends with some of the girls, learned spanish and was able to get really low rates - sometimes gratis. I also had some novias and since I traveled here so frequently, I was able to get the same deal most locals (including me) get now.
As to the incidentals mentioned, I eat a lot of chicken, rice and beans and my daily food costs run no more than a couple thousand colones per day.
All I am saying is that you don't have to go first class when coach can be just as comfortable especially once you've learned the ropes which took me some 10 or 15 trips.
LVSteve

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Damn, all this talk of getting laid is making me horny 10 days to CR I think I'll go see my favorite stripper at the Body Shop for a little pre CR TLC
Sparky

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Almost legally single again! Voy a Colombia otra vece!!

LVSteve,
I see a lot of past tense, "used to" and "when I first started coming down" in your last 2 posts. I don't think Goal was talking about what it was like in SJ 6 years ago but rather what it has become as of late (though many of the same factors may have applied back then too). I know that's what I was thinking of. Do you think prices might have gone up a bit with the more recent large influx of new gringos? How many DR chicas were even asking cien back then vs. now?
This may apply to you, but do you really think most members here know their way around as well as you, speak as much spanish, have as many contacts, go as frequently or get "resident rates" or gratis sessions from "novias"?

What do you think the average airfare from Las Vegas is nowadays (which you no longer have to pay but that still applies to the rest of us) with fuel prices what they are? Also, how long were you staying for and or how often did you stay there that you were able to get a $30 hotel room? Do you think the typical guy on this board goes down there that often or for that long at a stretch that they would be able to negotiate such rates? Everyone's tastes differ and one could always economize but the simple fact is that the average member here is paying much closer to $60/nt or more after taxes than they are to $30 and is more likely to stay at a place like the Amon than they are to stay at someplace like the Asia. And as to hotel taxes, they don't apply when you do your mongering at home, which is what this post was about. Comparing the economics of CR vs. other VACATION destinations where we'd have to stay at a hotel is a subject for a seperate thread.

I'm not trying to suggest that what you're saying is a bunch of shit. Far from it. The economics clearly work for you. What I am saying is 2 things. First, when OTHERS add up all the real costs, the economics CAN become not quite so clear-cut for the more TYPICAL CR visitor. Second, however the economic calculation comes out, one still has to consider the many non-economic factors. I'm guessing most of us can agree on that. Where others may disagree with me is that those factors run both ways. While there are a lot of qualitative factors that favor CR, there are also some convenience factors that favor mongering at home. For example, trying to get our money's worth and spreading that overhead around over as many sessions as possible we all tend to binge on our trips and have more sex and spend much more money than we would in a similar time period back home. It may cost much more at home and the service may be more variable but at least we can opt for it whenever we want without having to over do it.

Okay, got back from seeing my favorite stripper, 2.5 hours hardcore sex in the club, I'm not even going to tell you what I spent Only 9 days to CR. maybe I can hold out till then
Sparky

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Almost legally single again! Voy a Colombia otra vece!!

Im going to get creamed here but what the heck......

I spent more in CR than probably any of you.

You see factoring in the hotel costs, food, souveniers, transportation and my insatiable lust for chicas. I have qualculated that i spent 4 grand on my 6 day trip to SJ.

Yes you read that correct 4 thousand dollars! This doesnt include the 400 dollar airline ticket either!

I cant put the blame on the CR because it all comes down to negotiation, negotiating is the key in keeping your budjets from skyrocketing. As you can see I suck in negitoation. The colombians in my opinion would not budge bellow 80 dollars.

Sure you saying avoid the colombians right? Well good luck with that! Thats all i ever kept bumping into. It was only when i ventured to the massage parlors that i ever met a nica or a tica. Frankly if i ever go back to CR I will stick to massage parlors and Pantera Rosa or other strip clubs (which arnt that cheap either). Frankly theres a better chance at me going back to Dominican Rep than Costa Rica. Phuck theres a better chance of me heading to Thailand or Rio with that kind of money.

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Well... Goal I do not know you but I have to really disagree with you as your #'s and arguments are at face value somewhat valid I think you are comparing two things that really have no business being compared.

First off your taking Your Overall dollars and sense then dividing by amount of chicas adding externals and coming up with your number. Then from a stateside perspective your taking Local Girls agencies that run 150.00 to shall we say 175.00 for each hit. and coming up wiht similar numbers to justify the numbers not adding up.

We or at least I and I believe most of us go to Costa Rica of course for the beautiful companionship of the ladies, but let us not forget YOUR ON VACATION! Maybe your trips are pure mongering and that is what you go there to do and you want to make dollars to chica ratios but I do not believe that is close to a fair analogy.

In the states you are

1. Dealing with for the most part Gringa ******* and the attitudes that go with that.

2. Rules / Rules / Rules and renegotiations after the fact (TIP PLEASE ETC)

3. 1 HOUR for your 150.00. If your done early BYE BYE. If your not done another 150.00 please.

4. When your done after your hour NOW WHAT? Do you go out for the evening, Stay home, call another one in? oh yea at 150.00 each! or do you go down to the local tavern and think about the rest of then night?

5. Is there any chemistry between the two of you, since you met her when she walked in 5 minutes earlier? Or CAN YOU SEND HER BACK? Pink snapper fishing at its finest.

6. Are you attracted to her a sight unseen gal, does she smoke, does she smell, is she on drugs? Where is the interview process! Grant you on the above if you see regulars some of the items here can be avoided but if your going to see a regular here in the states than why bother with an agency and mongering at all?

NOW THE COSTA RICA EXPIERIENCE!

1. YOUR ON VACATION !!!!!!! and in a foreign country with all the good that entails, no phones, work etc.

2. Your in a land where you litterally have a plethera of choices of every size, color, or desire of chica is available from a various level of envoirnements and pricing structure.

3. You can interview in any of these venues till your hearts content all the while enjoying in most places the beverage of your choice.

4. You can enjoy adult type activity, strip clubs etc, local and high end without gettng ripped off with the ability to take ladies home, have them on the premise or just enjoy the flirtation and find your score later.

5. You have inexpensive good quality food, a quality hotel, commaradarie between CRT brothers, reasonable drink prices, with daily discussions and chats among our members all the while searching for the next lady of your choice.

6. LADIES LADIES LADIES Rules some, but a good negotiator, with a little game can find all nighters with multible pops for less than what you pay for a 1 hour quickie with someone you picked off a web page.

7. LATINA LOVE or the even the illusion of it, where you for the hour, or day or even sometimes a week, makes you feel like a GOD where you are transported back to when you can remember the feelings of intimacy like when you were younger.
I am sure there are many more points to make on the negative side of providers in the states, along with the positives of CR, but I do not in any way shape or form see how you can compare a vacation to a foreign country with beautiful women, country etc, then break it down to dollar for dollar for Ticas.

MY BREAKDOWN 10 HITS 10 HOURS $150.00 Dollars Per HOUR

Costa Rica All above points taken 5 Days 120 Hours 1500.00 $12.50 Per Hour! You can do the math!


The comparison JUST DOES NOT FIT! My two sense worth!

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Capo makes a lot of good points, you can't calculate the plane fare unless the only reason you go to CR is to get laid. There are many other factors that originally not included in the numbers such as stated above.

What strip club in the states could you walk in fondle as many different women in the club, take one to the private back room, have your way with her, bust your nut and only be out $150. That's hours of fun in the CR.

In the states, that's 5 table dances and 2 private lap dances and if you even thought about taking your dick out you would be thrown out on your ear. (unless you are going to some skanky dive place where i would want my dick to stay in my pants!)

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