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+1000 As I said earlier, there is a reason for political discussions not being permitted on here!! And this thread has degenerated into a prime example of WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well when it comes to "status" on a monger board i can assure you idgaf
but if anyone should have been able to predict the outcome here i would say it is the op
i thought it was a spirited conversation w the exception of one douchebag feeling the need to go to the Ch*ld molester card when he couldn't back up his rhetoric
i used to get pm's asking me why i stood up for the guy when he was such a silly little cunt and i just thought live and let live
until he started doing what he's done over and over in this thread. state his opinion as empirical fact and dismiss others as somehow less when they don't agree. maybe he did it before but now its just nauseating. he sees his every thought on the level of a phd.
only so many ways words can be interpreted and i don't seem to be the only that sees it that way. has he ever even been to CR?
other than that i thought it was miraculously devoid of politics and men were discussing opinions on solutions to a huge current problem
that is unless you think its fair for mexico to "peacefully" take back what belongs to them.
guess its time to utilize the block feature for the first time

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I enjoy discussing politics, but I have never understood the reasoning behind why some people insist upon their point of view. To be frank, no points of view even matter in the present issue. I have always used political discussion to learn more about the friends I am talking with than to discern any eternal truths that may exist.

I will be the first to say that most of my points of view are bupkis, and change the more I discuss and acquire other POVs. My grandfather told me that this was the entire purpose of talking politics in the first place. But then again you couldn't change his mind for chit.

It is obvious that CRT is not going to solve the immigration issue, but there is no reason why we can't discuss the situation and what we think will happen, and the ramifications of those actions.

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Jazz, I appreciate what you are saying, but you're looking at it the wrong way. "weight and merit" require consensus, which is itself nothing more than a limited public opinion.

Everyone has a right to have an opinion, and (at least in the USA) has the right to state it. Each of these opinions has value, regardless of the basis they are drawn upon. Yes! You can weigh them and measure them against some other value, but these actions are personal in nature, and are subjectively based upon the individual's understanding, experience and tastes.

In other words (using your example), your measure of the doctors opinion and the clerks opinion may/will be different from my measure. One may carry more 'weight' with one of us, but that would be considered a personal choice. If, on the other hand, we find that our measures agree, then we can conclude a 'merit' of the opinion. *BUT* ... who's to say that we are 'qualified' to decide that merit for other people?

To anyone that truly believes in the Bill of Rights, everyone's opinion should matter, and should be allowed to be publicly stated. As a people, we should be willing to fight to defend an individuals right to speak his opinion. And once stated, we, as a people, can vilify or sanctify it based only upon an established consensus.

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Perhaps this piece (plenty of facts, little opinion) on historic mass-immigration will be helpful: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/us/po ... bate-.html

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Jazzbro, that's an interesting comparison to the Mariel Boatlift that we in Florida experienced. It certainly changed the Miami area and gave us several well known Latino politicians. It's surprising they have not been outspoken on the current situation.

This is a much smaller inflow of immigrants than from Cuba and like Miami it is coming into areas of the US with an already established Latino community. It almost seems that if government could just get out of the way, it may just resolve itself.

From this discussion on CRT, I've received PM's with links to points of view by members unwilling to post online. Here is one that presents information about the Coyotes that is much different than what we are used to seeing in our media. While it seems extreme to us that parents would take the risk of hiring someone to bring their Ch*ldren to the US, in fact this is an established method that Nicaraguan Ch*ldren (and adults) are transported into Costa Rica illegally and then back home. Here are the links for those of you wanting more information, not for argument;

http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014 ... the-border

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-ame ... tml#page=1

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I can't believe we got to page 6 before Greengo weighed in on this.

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I agree FieldTech. Does anyone know what Greengo's native language really is? He uses English words in ways that confuse rather than clarify. Perhaps we would all value his contributions more if he took the time to clarify rather than impress us with his poetry.

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Is low self esteem a prerequisite for being a good Ho or is it a result? ;-)

I don't live on the South border or even in the USA, but I am very interested in world politics. Obama and the Democratic Party have a self serving agenda that has nothing to do with the welfare of the so called Ch*ldren showing up at the border. I say "so called Ch*ldren" because most are not Ch*ldren at all, but rather teenagers, some with gang affiliations.

Obama and the Democratic Party see these people as future Democrat voters and nothing more. Get them in, and dependent on government programs and you have a Democrat voter for life.

The fact that many of these people will be raped,abused, or even die along the way is collateral damage it appears.

Obama and the Democratic Party view states like Texas as a huge problem. There are simply too many people there who vote for the Republicans. Allowing thousands of people to flood across the Texas border will turn the state blue is the thinking of Obama and the Democrats.

My American friends need to elect someone in 2016 that will stop sabotaging their own country.

Devo

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yeah right the coyotes are really good shepherds doing a noble job lmfao
you are quoting legendary liberal institutions like la times and npr as your sources
are you familiar w narco culture and what it is? do you know mexicans glorify this lifestyle?
i see it and hear it every time i have a quince or mexican party its huge in LA
mexico is an extremely violent nation and a persons sovereignty and dignity is of no consequence on the open roads through mexico.
anyone trying to insinuate otherwise is highly delusional. it is going to be like a migration of gazelles w packs of ill intentioned lions picking off valuable prey at every opportunity. 12 -28 year old females are going to be abused and turned out like clockwork. thats some valuable and vulnerable freight coming through one of most impoverished and desperate areas on earth. i don't care how "noble" someone wants to paint a coyote. they will take payoffs and even the most honest are going to succumb to an armed cartel that has decided to grab some money makers.
we are making it way too easy by trying to think we are doing the right thing here. the only right thing is for the US to turn them around and send them home so the message is clear and the migration stops
btw heres a link written by hispanics http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com ... use/27291/
if we want to invest in these countries thats one thing. but pretending that mexicans on their journey are going to help them all along the way is just a way to make yourself feel good

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LaDiablo, I read your link and recalled hearing the stories of the Colombianas in Costa Rica who were brought in by gangstas and forced to work paying off their handler. I never encountered that personally so I can't comment. I agree that forcing girls to be prostitutes and threatening anyone's family to control them is wrong. I also agree there are some evil dudes in Mexico. However, please share with me how this story about shipping Colombian girls to Japan to be prostitutes fits in with the discussion about the recent Latinos coming to the US.

Please read the link above about the Coyotes. There are several well known coyotes that transport Nicas to and from Costa Rica. Some passengers are putas; some are Ch*ldren going to see Grandma; some are Grandmas and some are guys/girls coming to CR to work. These coyotes know the back roads across the Nica/CR border to avoid detection. The community seems to know the good guys from the gangstas. It's alternative (and more expensive) transportation for those without a passport or CR cedula.

I'm not seeking to be argumentative. I'm only seeking to discuss the similarities between the US immigration policies and those of Costa Rica and how each is being easily circumvented, frustrating for their citizens and have negative economic impacts on each country while the leaders of both countries think they are protecting the jobs of their citizens.

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im not seeking to be argumentative w you either Lenny but you are talking about nicas going to CR and not through mexico
the last part of the article talks about mexico and their indifference to the situation
"Flor now lives in the United States, the US government supported it with the condition that she collaborate in research. Flor and was reunited with her Ch*ldren after years of not seeing them. Mexico authorities were indifferent and at first did not want to provide help to recover their Ch*ldren. “Until I saw that my case was published in U.S. media] then they gave me attention.”

this is not the same thing and i think most central americans see more similarities in other ca countries as opposed to mexico. mexicans and salvadoreans don't like each other here and its the same old story. they all think they're better than the other one. ime mexicans feel they are better than all latino cultures. not sure why but its there.

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every party in every country has a self-serving agenda. They want to gain/remain in power, and if doing so actually advances their proposed outspoken goals, than it is just a lucky occurance.

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How about this for a radical * idea? The US govt actively scouts at-risk non-gang -related k!ds all over Central America and spirits the willing out of the danger zone? We "coyote" ** them to facilities just inside the US (remember these k!ds are pre-qualified) for further processing---for example finding the smartest, the most able. Those not chosen at home? If any of those (and they will be much fewer in number) show up on ICE screening, they will get intense questioning, then further disposition including deportation with prejudice (if they show up again, they are criminals and get bagged).

* Radical means tear it down to its roots, find out what the true problem is and propose remedies that solve the problem--no feel-good stuff but stuff that actually works. It's not Left or Right. My solution might be mistaken but 1) how is it incorrect? and 2) What's your cost-effective solution and how is it better?
Corruption is rampant and long-term trust, non-existent, in Central America and Mexico but there's got to be a way to make this workable.

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exercise in futility, Jazzy. It doesn't matter how great or workable an idea you may have, you are a nobody and have absolutely zero hope of having anyone in power pay even the slightest bit of attention to you.

Now, stop trying to save the world with great ideas, and instead, try to figure out what the reality will be for this situation and how it will affect us over the long term. That is a worthwhile conversation to have. Forget the "if only they would..." stuff ... 'Perfect-World' scenarios are so much Walter Mitty.

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