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BD, some of your arguments and comments trying to support said arguments really border on the edge of comical!!! It really seems you are shifting all over the field just for the sake of argument. I know you and really have a problem believing the validity of some of what you are saying you believe!! Most of these chicas have no concept of what you would be talking about if you asked them what their "perceived value" was. Yes there are many who have a minimum they will go for which would be considered a "perceived value", but for the fact that that minimum goes up and down depending on how much she needs the money at the moment, whether the guy is a tourist or a local expat or a Tico, or a newbie, or perceived by her to be a big spender, or perceived a "seasoned, experienced" tourist. All, except some of the really new hotties and some of the Colombianas, have this same type of "sliding scale" so where is the perceived value????

I once had a chica asking me about the work and the different venues (she was considering going into the business full time). She stated she would NEVER pluck a Gringo she did not know for less than $100, and I explained to her that I did not care what she charged, nor what the least she would go for was, but that I did know that where she was considering working most of the chicas usually ended up going for $60-$80 and that though she was very hot I doubted she would have much success not dropping below $100! She agreed to asking $100 and going for $80. Well her first few customers were agreeable to the $80 and were so pleased with her service that they ALL gave her a big tip bringing what she got up to the $100 or more. After a few of these experiences she told me what had happened and stated that she was no longer going for $80. Did she have a "perceived value" of 100 before talking to me?? No, she had heard from others that figure being the "asking price"!!! Did she drop her perceived value? No, she just had enough sense to understand that the competition would probably prevent her from getting 100!!! Did she drop her perceived value again once a week when she came to see me for $40?? No, she had no perceived value; she just wanted to get as much as she could out of each client but she realized there was a difference in what each client would and could pay. And this is what I had been giving her before she started "working" in a gringo place!!! And she would rather go home with some money than no money!! A couple months later she ran into a very rich customer and refused to see him for less than $250! Did her "perceived value" change Hell no the only perceived value she had (and most of them have) is the perceived value (what he will pay) of the client I even asked her once if what she did and how she treated a client varied between this guy, her $100 clients, and me! Her answer was a definite NO! and I knew from what friends were saying about her that I was getting the same as them!!

Right now I know 2 chicas working during the day in a Calle 6 place. BD, you have tried to question their "perceived value" compared to that of a chica working elsewhere. Well these two are also working in a very Gringo place at night. During the day they are getting c5000 (about $10) for full service! At night these same chicas refuse to do a Gringo for less than $60!!! DID THEIR "PRECEIVED VALUE CHANGE AFTER DARK NOPE, cannot change what they do not have!!! The change is in their "perceived value" of the clients between the 2 places

As for the "peer pressure" thing, believe what you wish but it 100% does for sure exist and has been discussed several times on here. I have had many chicas tell me "do not tell anyone how much you are paying", and many of my friends have said the same thing has occurred to them.

The only time one will not accept less than her "desired amount" is when she has just paid all her bills and rent, has bought food, and has time on her phone!! Yes there are a very, very few (mostly in the REY) who will go home with empty pockets rather than come off the "cien"!! Mostly that is due to "peer pressure" and/or a short lived "perceived value" in newbies.

Yes you can twist it around to look like many have a "perceived value", but that is such a variable thing with almost all as to be of no real consequence!! Yes, there are exceptions to almost EVERY statement that has been made on this thread!! Yes there may be a very few who do have a variable "perceived value", but most of those are Colombianas who are basing their value more on what they have to pay back to the Colombian loan sharks for those "bolt-ons", their passage to here, money to live on till they get settled here and start making money, and money for their family to live on back in Colombia till they can start sending money home!!!

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Not sure how this might affect the whole equation, but I remember reading that in Latin America being a puta was not considered a bad thing, but being a cheap puta was a very bad thing! Talk about a self image or perceived value influence, if the above was part of a chicas mindset, it could easily affect the price at any given time. As many answers to this as there are girls working and mongers buying...endless combinations of influence! of course this is only my opinion and probably worth about what it cost...jajaja

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oh quit yer pickin on me. I am trying to come to terms with a topic that has many splinters, and knowing that these separate threads must come together, I am hopping back and forth as they reveal themselves more clearly.

Ya'll need to stop reading more into a statement than was said. I never said I don't believe in peer pressure. I said that Orange's suggestion (that peer pressure was the sole driving force behind a chica's refusal to negotiate or drop price) did not match many, many threads on CRT where the action was exactly as BB mentioned: they DO negotiate, but it is kept quiet.

(I could frame an argument that peer pressure *requires* them to negotiate. But that would be for another thread. )

And my direct HDR experience suggests to me that the asking prices are not specifically 'peer' driven (though the general range of asking prices is clearly based upon such). It may be just me, but in the negotiations I have done in HDR, no chica has ever asked me for cien. They might start at $70 or $80, but I do not recall a single HDR convo starting at cien. (I remember 2 SL convos that asked it outright). Now, that said, it could be my choice in chicas, but the guys that have been with me know that I am pretty much mainstream in my desires.

(I've also never paid asking, and as every chica I have taken *has* negotiated, I find the 'peer pressure' argument weak in relation to a refusal to negotiate.)

Orange's statement on 'needs of the moment' resonated, and made clear many others' statements. Sometimes it is more about *how* it is said.

BigAl said they have a 'floor' (a price they will not go under). Orange (and now BB) state clearly that this is more based upon immediate (possible day-by-day) NEED than by what they may think/feel they are worth. Some of you may say that this is an obvious thing and I am nitpicking. Well, ol' Bashful sees a bit broader than this, and doesn't just follow the pack without an understanding of *why* he is doing it. To whit:

(Hypothetical case that I have seen myself and heard many times). The chica has the *need* that sets the *floor* ... she gets it via a session. The *need* is fulfilled, but she continues to work in hopes of making more (future planning). She is now free to lower the *floor* (and indeed will do so) ... ... ... BUT ... she still won't accept a low-ball offer, even though she is now free to accept any. Orange suggests it is 'peer pressure', but no one else will know what she accepts (and the argument about a loud-mouthed gringo doesn't hold because we all know that they negotiate and ask us to keep it to ourselves).

Second case: she walks into HDR even though she doesn't actually need money today (again, future planning). This time she refuses to budge off of cien. "Need"... no. "Peer pressure"... No. Stuck-up arrogance... perhaps.

Both BangBang and BigAl have made important statements about learning to read the situation, and detect the reasons behind a *floor*... or even identify the "floor* at all (quite possibly the most important monger skill there is). Well, without a firm understanding of this thread's topic and postings, you will have to fall back on the *need* argument, which can only get you half-way there. And though that may be good enough for some guys, it isn't for me.

As much as you think it's just ol' Bashful that is going over this shit, there are many others reading and lurking on the thread looking to see what pearls of knowledge can be gleaned. The questions are for them as much as for me.

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very important support observation for 'Peer Pressure'. It exists everywhere, even in the BS postings on CRT. To think such a basic instinct as the pack mentality doesn't exist in any human environment is to stumble blindly into the dark hallway of ignorance.

What is important to me is: what is the extent of outside (versus inside) influences on the lowest negotiable price a chica will accept?

Excellent addition to the convo.

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Things are looked at in such a business way around here it prompts me to say something now and then.

Women everywhere determine their own value on matters like this like they always have and always will. The eye test... if she feels you are someone she can get the most out of because of an obvious unbalance in attraction, then she will. If she feels you have options beyond ur wallet, then she will recognize

If she see's u ass a no puss getting doofus who basically needs to be there to get action, then...well, I don't need to say as it's the most common scenario..

Anyway...

Cujo

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... ... ... have we met? Because you seem to know a lot about me.

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Enjoying this discussion. Many different angles on the subject with a lot of great points of view.
And great depth of understanding human (puta) nature.
And good humor too!
Red

Pathetically pathetic I tell you....

Real live genuine mongers really have it hard and sad in life....

First, I personally try to separate the word "puta" from the service that some of these girls provide. I know, it's semantics and I don't want to start a fight, but I have a hard time putting all girls who have sex for money into the same bucket and calling them all "putas." But I understand the nature of your question, I believe.

But to the question.....the girls that I have really enjoyed.....the ones that I'll see multiple times....the girls that I'd actually take to dinner and have a conversation with....there are not many who get that far with me....and I've been at this in both Medellin and SJO for a while. The girls I choose to spend quality time with (not just an hour or so at the MP or in my room) are really not unlike many other women I know. In some ways, they are more genuine and honest and practical. They have a reason for doing what they do. For some, it's occasional. For some, it's something they do until they can get back to having a stable "real job." They do what they have to do. I actually respect that. Am who am I to judge? I'm paying for sex and for their time. But as we've all discussed ad nauseum before, one way or the other, you almost always "pay" for sex and companionship, no matter where you are in the world. Dating and marriage sure aren't costless.

All that said, there are probably some girls that are "different" because of their motivation to sell sex....addictions to drugs and alcohol. Also, after talking to some of the girls, you tend to notice a trend among the hard cores - daddy issues (if there is a daddy at all), sexual abuse while growing up, boyfriend/husband that beats them up, etc. But that doesn't mean there is a correlation between these issues and whether you become a "puta."

Just my thoughts. I'm sure no expert. But I do find their stories very interesting.

Truer words were never spoken, including those from mind-researchers and poets. We can only try to shape the wave and ride the tide.

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"Amen, brother"-ED

Maybe so, but unfortunately has nothing to do with my comment anyway. What I'm saying all guys (even mongers) should know...er, cos every woman does


Cujo

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+1 (unless you're being sarcastic)....

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- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 16

Nuh uh. Mine's (and the one's I pick) are different; they're not like all the others. Honest.

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"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the over-compensations for misery. And, of course, stability isn't nearly so spectacular as instability. And being contented has none of the glamour of a good fight against misfortune, none of the picturesqueness of a struggle with temptation, or a fatal overthrow by passion or doubt. Happiness is never grand."
- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 16

+1 ... unless YOU were being sarcastic too.

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dammit guys ... I know I haven't met you too yet, so explain how you know so much about me?

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