www.CostaRicaTicas.com

Who remembers "The Michigan Boys" fiasco as it became known--I think that was early 2000? Huge group (100+) of firemen, policemen, a judge, town officials, etc, guys that would come annually, I think to Flamingo, to fish was the word left back home. But they had developed local contacts and girls would know when they were in country and flock to otherwise puta-less Flamingo for a few days. A Detroit tv news station got a tip from some snitch and sent a reporter with a camera crew. Alot of locals talking wierd stuff, alot of the gringos talking it's only fishing and drinking stuff. But back home, bad "prostitution themed" footage ran on the news and print media devoured guys' reputations by mere association, citing real names. And I remember that story had national legs and went on for quite a media run.

I'm sure some of the Michigan guys on the board can add or subtract from my memory of it.

But, my point is media and mongering don't play nice.

Could the reason for that change in large part be because of the irreparable damage Cuba Dave did to many of the chicas and their private lives ??? Publishing pictures on the net of ANYONE without permission is a crime in many places and should be everywhere. Promising someone you won't put their picture on the net and then doing so is inexcusably wrong and shows everyone you are of very low character and dishonest!!! He even went so far in his quest to satisfy his hugh ego as to lie to fellow CRT members (me included)! In my opinion he is a low life scumbag (And I have called him that, and more, to his face more than once)!!!! Could it be that one of the reasons he no longer comes here is because more than one of those chicas he hurt and their families want HIM "hurt"??? In my opinion anyone who would defend this scumbag either is just as low, or does not know the truth about him.

Yes this site can easily be found on the net, Yes there is always going to be a certain amount of "unwanted publicity", yes if you have something to lose by publicity of your activities in the "hobby" you must keep you identity hidden. Anytime someone gives out info about CRT (news reporters, publicity seekers, Facebook, etc.) it is not a good thing for us in the hobby. I personally am not in a situation where I have to keep my activities a secret, but there is no reason nor excuse what so ever for anyone to give out nor publicize the existence of CRT nor the "hobby". To do so gains nothing for the members and can only cause problems in the long run for individual members, cause a lose of members of CRT because of concern for their priviacy, and cause unwanted negative publicity among and by the anti-sex do gooders!!.

The more people know about this part of Costa Rica and for that matter, Colombia, and other countries, the fewer married men are going to be able to come here without their wives, the fewer business men and employees of companies will be able to come here for fear of losing their jobs or customers, and as we have already seen because of the economy the last few years, the fewer guys coming here, the fewer chicas and the more problems which will hurt everyone involved in this hobby in the long run!!!!

Just the opinions of a senile old fart!!!!!!!!!!!

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idk but this site is the only way i was able to find CR in the first place. but even back in 06 it was pretty well know that it was a p4p destination amongst american women.
definitely a guy like cubaslave is bad for the hobby. but lets remember it is legal. no one is breaking any laws here and it would seem like some people are more concerned with it staying a secret ( which will never happen anyway ) so that they can continue to hide what they are ashamed about from their families and friends.
didn't all the old timers living in CR hate BB57 for exposing the low end mps?
maybe you want certain girls available instead of occupied?
its doesn't belong to you or me or anyone else.
and every destination has Facebook.
do you think it slowed down Thailand?
pretty confident most everyone in the world knows whats going on there.
one thing for sure. if there isn't an influx of money into the area with new blood all the places you know and love will slowly erode and fall apart.

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Regarding the "Michigan Boys" media fiasco I posted about above, I found a thread from years ago. Irish Drifter posted.

https://costaricaticas.com/forums/viewt ... =2&t=11356

LAD, it is not that anyone is trying to keep CR a secret, it is just a matter of using good common sense and promoting it in the right places not in the mainstream where the Sex hating do gooders in the states can easily find it. You have a lot to learn my friend if you really think that very many mongers are "ashamed' of what they do, it is solely (in most cases) a matter of not flaunting it in a society where it is so frowned on and can cost many their jobs, their marriage, their family. True some of us are not concerned about being exposed as a monger but many more are because of having a lot to lose. As for making it easier for guys to find out about it, bull crap! I knew about it before I ever came here the first time in 1994, long before I even owned a computer or knew anything about the net. Any true monger can find out about places without the net, and over publicizing a place or group on the net just makes it easier for the anti sex groups to get info and cause problems. yes I have A (one) Facebook page where I have "friends" who are family members, people that I went to school with over 50 years ago who are extreme conservatives and religious fanatics, fellow mongers, and chicas here and in Colombia. Yes at times things get posted that I am sure offend some of my "friends". Do I really care? NO, but I am not in the position many mongers are. And CRT and mongering never get posted about . As far as many of my friends are concerned, I am just a dirty old man who lives in CR and chases young girls

As for the problems I had with a few "old timers' not wanting me to show fellow CRT members the places, comparing that in any way to overly publizing CRT on places such as Facebook is like comparing apples to oranges. I know of very few guys who are glad that a lot fewer gringos are visiting here the last couple of years than in the past. By the way, back then CRT had a lot more active members, a lot more posts per week, and a lot more interest among the membership than now since all the public promoting of CRT started.

Having an owner that was open and accessible also made members a lot more comfortable when posting in the past. Now with the owner/s in hiding everyone wonders why, with all the public promoting everyone wonders what is the new owners agenda. What are they afraid of?? Why all the secrecy? Unless they have a "hidden agenda" why do they not want to be known as the owners??? What are they ashamed of!!!! They want to publicize the site but do not want their ownership publicized!!! With all the banning that has taking place, many (even an outspoken old fart like me) are reluctant to post and when they do they often hold back from saying what they really think or feel for fear of stepping on the "UNKNOWN" new owners toes. What are the new owners trying to hide or who are they trying to hide from??

As for everyone knowing what goes on in CR, bull crap!! Maybe in California (I doubt it) but I know for sure in my part of the country that is not the case. Hell I have friends who I have told about the mongering scene here (2 are mongers) and they refuse to believe it. In fact before I moved here I never met a single person in the area I lived who knew much of anything about CR. Hell most thought it was an island somewhere in the Caribbean Sea.

As for "all the places I know and love" slowly eroding and falling apart, if there is not an influx of money and new blood, I DON"T THINK SO!! All my favorite places are doing just fine!! Where do you think all the disappearing chicas have gone?? Back to the MPs where most started to begin with!! Who do you think supports those MPs, not the gringos but those "poor Ticos" whom so many gringos want to think will not spend money on sex. Who do you think is supporting 6 MPs where the price is over "cien" and gringos do not even know about. NO, P4P was doing just fine here long before the influx of Gringo dollars and will be doing just fine if those gringo dollars were to dry up!! P4p is a much larger business here than just the gringo part. Hell the Tico web site gets more posts per day than CRT gets per month. And whether you want to believe it or not, over publicizing CRT, or any other mongering site, and Costa Rician mongering by gringos to the American public will, in the long run, only hurt and reduce the numbers of Gringos coming here even more.

Once again the above is just the crazy opinions of a senile old fart!!

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Several of us long-term CRT members have posted in multiple threads our dissatisfaction with the direction which the new owners of the CRT website have either chosen to head or allowed Admin 3 a/k/a Don Carlos to take it. When you take into account how well the CRT owners operate their hotel venues, we are all surprised by the poor treatment of the CRT members which they have tolerated from Admin 3 when we know they would not tolerate for a minute similar behavior from their hotel staff.

Likewise, from the Admin 3 point of view, he’s likely perplexed and defensive as to why us long-term CRT members would be offended since we only paid $99 for a life time membership and he’s likely asking “What do these cheap bastards expect? CRT exists to promote the hotels of our owners and the venues of our paying sponsors.” Somebody tell these assholes to just go away!”

So let me try to address this so the owners of CRT can decide which is more important to their hotel business and the CRT website.

For many long-term CRT members, CRT became more of a club of like minded gentlemen than just a website promoting Costa Rica. Many have established close friendships (in real life) which they would have been unable to do if the CRT website had been just a travel promotion website for Costa Rica. These friendships extend even into the local communities of the US since many CRT members get together in the States to sip a few, talk about chicas in CR and bitch about women in the US. Many of these meet ups were announced and arranged through the old CRT website. Not so much anymore. Trips to other places like Colombia, Thailand and the Philippines were coordinated with other members through the CRT website even though other websites are more robust for information about these locations.

The greatest beneficiary of this social club connectivity has been the Sportsmens Lodge and the greatest loser due to the collective rejection by the CRT membership was the Dunn Inn. These two actions indicate the collegiality and club mentality that exists among the long-term members of CRT. The contributions of Members like Vegas Bob, Bang Bang 57, Paco Loco, Third World, Bilko, Gamingman, Phoenix Rising, Proloijio, Mucho Gusto, El Ciego, BlueDevil, RBC 100, El Silencio, ChilliMike, BuzzFla, , DonGordo, GringoTim, CioCio32001, Orange, EsposodeBarbie, Dr. Mario, LaDiablio, Tman, ZigMonger, SafaDino, Twarag, Witling, SinCity, Irish Drifter, Dapanz1, Scuba 1, Scubabum, MuffDiver, Hank Daman, TraylorPark, Redman69, Santas Bro, LionKing, Chi_Trekker, Haywood Jablommi, Rainman3, Shawn4DelRey, HolaB, Ruffnutz, Osgood, Astroglide, Pidd, Papichullo, Vince the Prince, Flyboy, Seawub, CRGolfer, came from their heart and they were sharing their insight with a club of likeminded gentlemen. Many of these guys are no longer posting on CRT, some because of life events, but others because of the direction which the new owners and Admin 3 are taking the CRT website. The CRT website and the hotel owners of CRT are the ones who lose from this – out of site/out of mind.

Although it’s understandable that Admin 3 would not value this since he also owns a travel website that promotes Costa Rica and Sosua travel ( http://www.latintravelvip.com/), it’s unacceptable and his behavior has systematically been destructive to the collegiality and gentleman social club aspects of CRT. If it continues for much longer, I fear that it can also diminish the strong brands which the owners and sponsors of CRT have paid dearly to develop.
Many of my fellow CRT member friends tell me to give it up. It’s a lost cause. CRT as we knew it is No More. I make this last effort only to encourage my fellow CRT members to respond whether you agree or disagree with me. Since Sportsmens Lodge has been the greatest beneficiary of the club like aspects of CRT, maybe you sending TrueSportsman a PM expressing your agreement or disagreement can be helpful. I’m sure that Bill would be delighted to hear from you. He genuinely cares about CRT and is appreciative of what it’s meant to the Sportsmens Lodge business.

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Is low self esteem a prerequisite for being a good Ho or is it a result? ;-)

the only one flaunting it in the mainstream is cubaslave and i agree thats not something you hope for
but while on the one hand you say any monger would know about CR and you easily found it, you also say not everyone knows about it. I'm confused which is it?
i don't think of myself as oblivious to what goes on in the world but i guess it depends on your set of friends. i found out because i came across this website and decided to take a trip.
i think you misunderstand what i meant about the places we know in terms of business.
of course the mp's will always be fine and that suits locals such as yourself and ticos just fine. but what about putting heads in beds and paying the bills?
of course the ticos are going to have to supplement the bars and restaurants and it appears to me that this is exactly whats happening. and i also read the complaints about there being too many ticos.
I'm not saying anyone is suffering but you see some awfully big discounts being made and you know as well as i that it takes more than a happy hour to support an enterprise.
so thats where the new blood comes in and is very necessary.
most of those guys that Lenny posted don't post as much because they LIVE on Facebook. and they don't travel to CR anymore as they have moved on to other locations.
as far as admin3 goes hasn't he addressed most if not all of the issues that were raised?
he's the owner of the website and thats pretty much the end of story.
he's made mistakes and having met him can honestly say he can be a little abrasive but oh well.
i just don't get why its so personal for some guys. other than the initial problems where is this poor treatment?

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LaDiablo, I like you man and I understand you have a business relationship that may be prompting you to post as you have lately. Not a problem for me unless you have a problem with me pointing that out. I like your massage service and encourage guys that I bring to CR / Sportsmens to partake.

The best way to find out what the CRT members think is to ask them. Do a survey. What's the harm? To presuppose these old guys hang out on Facebook is beyond comical. Most old guys that I know (customers of CRT, Sportsmens, Mona Lisa, Armistad, DelRey, ZonaII, Scores, etc) find Facebook to be a genuine pain in the ass and tolerate it only for family, Ch*ldren and grandchildren.

Please inform me how this use of Facebook or social media fits well with CRT, Sportsmens, Mona Lisa, Armistad, DelRey, Zona II, Scores, or even your Bambu Massage business. Would you like customers to tweet how much they enjoyed their massage and happy ending at Bambu Massage in the Sportsmens Lodge when you are very careful in your business to only provide a legitimate massage with NO happy ending? Careful what you ask for mi amigo.

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Is low self esteem a prerequisite for being a good Ho or is it a result? ;-)

I deal with negative and illegitimate reviews of my LA massage as well as my other businesses on Facebook, yelp, angies list et al. I respond to them when they come out.
Sometimes they are unfair and posted by rival business.
There have been numerous accusations made against business on this site.
Nothings perfect and the truth is I can't say my opinion is absolutely correct when it comes to the reasoning behind the social media aspect.
I am just giving my perspective as I see it the same as you are.
The fact that we don't agree on the benefits and issues has nothing to do with anything for me.
Would I like Ingrid, Lehia, Jerlin et al to be busier and have more customers? Absolutely. And I/we greatly appreciate the business you and others send our way.
The subject has never come up here that I can recall, so maybe that is why it seems like I have been posting differently.
As a pro business individual I tend to be on the side that change is good and new ideas breath fresh air into the mix. Thats always a good thing right?
If it isn't then people typically let you know with their wallets.
I don't think that has to be at the expense of those that like it the way it was or the way it is but its ok to take a deep breath and see what happens too.
Guarantee you are still going to locate cold beer and hot girls.
Oh and in the case of my LA massage the reviews on yelp make my phone ring off the hook no lie.

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Gentlemen,

Thank you for the Pm`s from last night. Lennydo your right i do care about this site and the membership a lot.
A lot of questions about ownership mainly....here goes.

Nope not going there…… by answering this question either way, I could be ending this fabulous image building drama and intrigue . On this note I will state the following in the interest of full disclosure;
“I do sit on the Board of Directors at Apple Inc., I do own a big chunk of The Bank of Shanghai and I recently purchased a controlling interest of the L.A. Lakers from the Dr. Jerry Buss estate”. Losing Dwight Howard to the Rockets was tough, plus I have Samsung`s crawling up my Ipad`s.
All in all, 2013 has been a very challenging year!

I defer to Admin 1`s Tommy`s announcement
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42931&p=490150#p490150

I know both The Admin, Alex from California and Daniel, Admin3 from San Jose. I get along with them both and urge the rest of you to "try to get along with them" as well.

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Don Carlas (Admin3)

When will you (never) get it thru your head that anything associated with mongering is NOT "the typical population". And what works for many or even most will not always work nor be best for the few!!! WE ARE THE FEW!!! Mongering and anything associated with it IS NOT AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE ACCEPTED BY THE GENERAL POPULATION and to rub it in their faces on places like Facebook is just asking for more problems and making what goes on here more in their face which WILL cause more opposition and more men who might be interested will be more reluctant to join CRT. As I have said, I am very open about what I do. I have a Facebook page with family, old conservative school mates, fell mongers, and putas ALL on it. Would I ever even open the CRT Facebook page or recommend to anyone that they do so? NO!! Should any business man dealing with the public and dependant on the public for his livelihood open it? NO!! Should any married man who values his marriage open it? NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What does that leave you ?? Very few people and mostly those locking for something to use against the idea of mongering!!! Good luck!

By the way since going on facebook just how many new members have you gotten directly from it?? How much has it increased the number of guys coming here?? How has it improved SL, LA, Mona lisa, and the others business? I am in all these places often and I sure as hell have not seen any increase in the numbers. If you would take time to weigh the good versus the bad instead of just blindly saying "Everyone else is doing it (bull) so I must do it!" You might (I doubt it-some people are never wrong) just change your mind!!!

I started back posting because I thought CRT was going to change for the good and because I thought I had something to offer the members, but I am really beginning to wonder about the correctness of my decision.

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Bill, my question to you -- When have they been open, honest, up front, and open to discussing the issues many, many member have about the direction they are trying to take CRT??? NEVER!!!!! Their way or no way!!! While hiding behind secrecy and using multiple handles on the site!! Admin3's responses (which he says answer our concerns) solely state his opinion as being totally correct and there will be no change no matter what!!! NOT very open minded in my book and certainly not confronting the issues!!

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Good points BB57 and Ldo.
He's the owner, but he posted there were several owners stateside that wished to remain anonymous. Which is it?

BB,

I believe that The Admin has addressed many of the issues that I have seen raised, slow running site, CRT Gallery, no moderation, too much moderation etc. Admin 3 has stated that he does use a few different handles on CRT as Tommy Admin 1 did while he owned the site. The Face Book issue is a matter of strong opposite opinion`s shared on this site. CRT FB 117 likes in 6 months is not a big positive response IMHO based on how divisive this issue has been since July of this year. SL does not have a Face Book page nor do I believe the Hotel will any time soon. However it is their decision to use this just as it is a member decision "to like the FB page or not"...is it not? I get along with the Admin`s both of them. I certainly respect your decision to get along or not. I like you & your posts. I prefer to read them rather than not.

Bill

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Bill has class AND diplomacy.

It is no wonder that he is so successful.