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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:32 pm 
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I don't buy into the 'we try to change the world' so much as we just act the way we do at home. Tipping is commonplace in the US, and industries have adapted to it. A newbie traveler expects to tip for service, because he has been conditioned to it. An example of social conditioning: 'do we flush toilet paper' ?

I do think it's important to adopt local custom with regard to money. The locals do not tip, and we should follow suit. However, exceptional 'out of the ordinary' service should be rewarded. She'll not see it as a sucker move, but recognition of how hard she worked. They know the difference.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:26 am 
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BashfulDwarf wrote:
I do think it's important to adopt local custom with regard to money. The locals do not tip, and we should follow suit. However, exceptional 'out of the ordinary' service should be rewarded. She'll not see it as a sucker move, but recognition of how hard she worked. They know the difference.

Unfortunately, what's already done probably can't be undone. At this point, any gringo who flat out doesn't tip will have the girls caling him a cheapskate.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:23 am 
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I do think it's important to adopt local custom with regard to money. The locals do not tip, and we should follow suit. However, exceptional 'out of the ordinary' service should be rewarded. She'll not see it as a sucker move, but recognition of how hard she worked. They know the difference.

Unfortunately, what's already done probably can't be undone. At this point, any gringo who flat out doesn't tip will have the girls caling him a cheapskate.


True but guess what, I do not give a flying pluck what they call me for not tipping!! Please don't hate me and I don't want to start a war of words here but, IMHO that is exactly what is wrong with this whole situation. Gringos worry way too damn much about what the chica will think of them!! (bread into them by the women in the states) For Gods sake, we are talking about putas, not girlfriends, who we are paying to give us a good and satisfying 1/2 hour or hour of sex; and especially for the tourist monger, may never see her again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not (I hope) paying for, nor looking for a long term relationship! With very few exceptions, anyone who is, is looking in the wrong place.

I live here, I do several sessions a week, I seldom tip and when I do it is small compared to most gringos, I am old, fat, and certainly not handsome, and I have more chicas calling me everyday than I could do in a week even if I was 20 and rich!!! Yes, there are some who would and do call me "chino" but do I really give a damn? NO!!!! For everyone of those, there are a 100 who will gladly take my money, give "outstanding service", and not complain!!!!

And because of the wide spread over tipping for years by so many gringos, YES, they do look at virtually all gringos as "suckers". But that is alright, they will still gladly take your money and will never tell you that you are giving too much!!!!

As for exceptional "out of the ordinary" service, that use to be normal service till they learned that gringos were so easy to please (because almost anything was often better than what the gringo got at home) that they (the chicas here) could give less service and then when they felt they had an over-paying "sucker", they could kick it up a notch and get the big tip for service "out of the ordinary"!!! Many guys are now going to Colombia because the chicas there give so much "better" service; service like the chicas here gave 15-20 years ago. My friends who now go to Colombia are saying the same thing is already beginning to happen there. Expectations (from the chicas) are higher and service is dropping!!!!

Unfortunately, as Orange says, "what's already done probably can't be undone" and all my, nor anyone else's, ranting will not change the situation!!! So why do I try? Because I an a stuborn, hard headed old fart!!!jejejejje :twisted: :wink:

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Oh no... we agree again... that's twice in one week. :lol:

I'm with you on the not caring what they think. As a tourist, I couldn't care any less about it. My point earlier was that most guys seem to care what the putas think of them. They go out of their way to please them and be on their good side, even though the gringos are the ones who pay and should be pleased.


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Orange wrote:
Oh no... we agree again... that's twice in one week. :lol:

I'm with you on the not caring what they think. As a tourist, I couldn't care any less about it. My point earlier was that most guys seem to care what the putas think of them. They go out of their way to please them and be on their good side, even though the gringos are the ones who pay and should be pleased.



This gets into the whole "American psyche" Yes, many do care - and many are past the age of "grudge fucks" - for most, some friendliness, some connection has to be present.

We are taught to be polite.

The dumb newbi Phuck who thinks "wow, she likes me" may indeed be correct; she may - but for $10 more, she'd gladly screw an old, poorly dressed, smelly, yellow toenailed, droopy balled Delrey denizen - its all about the money :wink:


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Orange wrote:
... My point earlier was that most guys seem to care what the putas think of them. They go out of their way to please them and be on their good side, even though the gringos are the ones who pay and should be pleased.


Another of those social trainings from the good ol' US of A. Be charming and generous, and the girls will swoon for you. As the chicas learn this, they play into the comedy and gringos think "it's exactly like I thought it would be", never realizing that it's all just a stage act.

As for the 'outstanding service' comments, I think certain chicas realize that if they simply give 100% (compared to the 70-90% of their competition) then they will be seen as special, and will garnish extra payments.
Old joke about two friends running from a bear in the woods. One stops to put on shoes. The other says "what are you doing? You can't outrun a bear!". The one says "I don't need to, I just need to outrun YOU!".

Keep your eye out for the chica with her shoes on.

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Old joke about two friends running from a bear in the woods. One stops to put on shoes. The other says "what are you doing? You can't outrun a bear!". The one says "I don't need to, I just need to outrun YOU!".

Keep your eye out for the chica with her shoes on.

Touche' !!! Well put! :wink:

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If you have to BRIBE her to give you good service, it means (gee, now I am going to agree with Cujo on something!!!!!) she does not really want to be with you--time to look for another chica!!!



This will always stand the test of time but ironically be the biggest time waster in terms of advising. Guys will do what they do, so over the years I've relented more on even bringing it up.

Interesting thread, bashful I hear what your saying but at the sametime I know the more business minded mongers are..in approach,in attitude and especially in reasoning, the worse it will be. Leaving many trival spats behind..

When something doesn't make sense, use human nature instead of business acumen.. :idea:


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Cujo's wrote:
...When something doesn't make sense, use human nature instead of business acumen.. :idea:
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yeah, yer probably right. Still, I won't tip unless the session is (in my meager experience) exceptionally awesome. I'm talking about the kind of thing that makes you stop and say: "Damn! I want to do that again!".

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:10 pm 
I am not an MP guy so no advice there from me, but with the indy's, can't get around the issue at some point in your encounter with her anymore at least last 12-15 years?

If I have to have her, l build it into my lower then she wants price negotiation, $x for this and that, $x tip if you do it with vim and vigor. BBBJ and dining are not for me, not criticizing, just not for me there, so that makes it easier. Bottom line is I am only going to pay so much for it so if she thinks she earned a tip, great. If she won't take the deal, next.

9 out of 10 times, I don't have to have her, so I get the lowest price I can get from her and when finished tell her no when she asks for a tip and give her cab fare if she asks. If she walks out mad, so what. I ain't looking for a gf that's a puta on the side.

When I was 16, I didn't much care if she phucked like a rabbit or sucked like a vacuum or moaned and groaned. Was nice if she did, but. I haven't changed. TEHO.

Same thing with the drink beggars. So they give you the elbow sign or make a comment.

Bottom line, who cares about what a CR puta thinks.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:39 pm 
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I agree that Western guys obsess too much about what the Ticas think about them, fearful that they would be considered cheap. I agree that these are business transactions and the buyer is the one with the power. If you negotiate a price with an indy and she agrees with the price, that should be the price that is paid. Tipping on top of the negotiated price seems a little silly. If she wants more, she can negotiate more upfront. Still, if I get service that is beyond my expectations, I would tip a reasonable amount but I hold the line of tipping for the usual service. MPs are lower in price so there is a greater tendency to want to tip because it is lower. I think the standard should be the same, exceptional service and a tip no more than 20% of the price paid.

And if the girl thinks you are cheap, so what? There are plenty of other girls you can take the next day, and don't be surprised if the very same girl is bidding for your company the next time you see her. I am not sure why Western guys really care what prostitutes think about them anyway.

I think that the friendliness of the girls throws off the guys and guys start thinking that it is more than just sex for money. In the end, it is almost always about sex for money and nothing else.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:50 pm 
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BashfulDwarf wrote:
Cujo's wrote:
...When something doesn't make sense, use human nature instead of business acumen.. :idea:
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yeah, yer probably right. Still, I won't tip unless the session is (in my meager experience) exceptionally awesome. I'm talking about the kind of thing that makes you stop and say: "Damn! I want to do that again!".



I can def agree with that..I mean wut do any of us care wut another guy tips or doesn't? As if...

Still a shit ton of business like replies/advice on here, and I get it..cept it's jus not gonna apply. The totality of it all is if guys were fluent spanish speakers, most, if not all things "like this" are sooo irrelevant.. but with a limited insight..break it down into dollars and cents/sense.. which is a cataclysmic fail...wash rinse repeat.. :|

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:07 pm 
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One thing that has come up in several replies here is the tendency of the gringos who come here to be overly concerned(my opinion) about what the puta(s) might think about them, what she might say about them, what she might even do to them. Truth is: she MIGHT think about you in terms of how much more money she can get out of you IF there is a next time; she MIGHT tell the other chicas that you were a "Chino" (tightwad) but she sure as hell is not going to tell the others if you give her the bank (she wants all of your money and does not want to share with another puta); she might even go so far as to curse you (in Spanish) in front of your friends!! How many guys on here or their friends would even know what she was saying so why worry about it!!!! I constantly hear guys running down the Ticos as being "soft" cowardly, avoiding confrontation and not standing up for their rights. Funny thing is when it comes to how many gringos treat the working chicas here, they could just as easily be talking about themselves.

One thing I have never understood, and I apologize for getting slightly off subject: The guys on this board and all other Gringo mongering boards are extremely concerned and worried about some guy giving a chica access to the board, or her, thru her own efforts becoming a member of the board. They are worried about her reading what they wrote about her and becoming upset!! On the Tico board (FORO de Costa Rica) the chicas are not only encouraged to read and become members, they are encouraged to post, and they often do, even posting their contact info and prices and responding to questions by the male members. I have never heard of nor noticed a Tico holding back on his comments about a chica and certainly not because of some fear of her getting upset. In fact they post their experiences and if the chica does not like it then she should change or improve on what he criticized her about. And these guys live here, often even in the same barrios with the chicas and they do not get bent out of shape about what a chica might think of them and what they say!!! Just some "food for thought"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:14 pm 
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I am not an MP guy so no advice there from me, but with the indy's, can't get around the issue at some point in your encounter with her anymore at least last 12-15 years?

If I have to have her, l build it into my lower then she wants price negotiation, $x for this and that, $x tip if you do it with vim and vigor. BBBJ and dining are not for me, not criticizing, just not for me there, so that makes it easier. Bottom line is I am only going to pay so much for it so if she thinks she earned a tip, great. If she won't take the deal, next.

9 out of 10 times, I don't have to have her, so I get the lowest price I can get from her and when finished tell her no when she asks for a tip and give her cab fare if she asks. If she walks out mad, so what. I ain't looking for a gf that's a puta on the side.

When I was 16, I didn't much care if she phucked like a rabbit or sucked like a vacuum or moaned and groaned. Was nice if she did, but. I haven't changed. TEHO.

Same thing with the drink beggars. So they give you the elbow sign or make a comment.

Bottom line, who cares about what a CR puta thinks.



I really hate those cunts - and the name given really fits - not talking about you wanting to buy a drink for a girl you have some interest in "knowing" further - what I'm talking about is the fat fugly <sorry, guess that was redundant :oops: :lol: :lol: :oops: > who comes up to you and asks, in the time honored way she was taught in whore school:

"Wan drin' fo me baby?"

Phuck all these beggar cunts - and the dopes who buy them drinks.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:44 pm 
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If a mud duck comes up to you asking for a drink, chances are she thinks ur in her league to pull it off.. :idea:

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