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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:12 pm 
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You have to add your magic words Stickler: "I tend to believe", then it makes it kosher for CRT purpsoes, right Stickler?

So let me play Irish Stickler because as the saying goes, a little knowledge of the law is very dangerous.

The Court threw out the original Stolen Valor Act in USA v Alvarez. Congress reenacted it without the problem provisions. It's a current federal crime. Also, many state have enacted their own statute. But you wouldn't know that, would you. You just post blind even without your magic words.

You made the statement he was a judge. You require proof from others even on trivia or they incur your insults. I know Admin now gone appointed you CRT Official Fact Checker and you have done great. So again Stickler, what public record? I call bullshit.

My only thoughts about Wise is he didn't back up his obit like he promised. You can. Other then that, I can get passed his blowhard tendency, he runs in good company, and I'm sure he's a good guy.

I do know 1000% Garfield was lying about his service unless he was on two continents during the same time span (I think Wise's obit of him which read liked the deceased wrote it himself, had him over there for 6 years as I remember) or he would have had to have had a twin hanging around Chicago, Viet Nam and San Jose, unlikely.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:04 pm 
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You have to add your magic words Stickler: "I tend to believe", then it makes it kosher for CRT purpsoes, right Stickler?

So let me play Irish Stickler because as the saying goes, a little knowledge of the law is very dangerous.

The Court threw out the original Stolen Valor Act in USA v Alvarez. Congress reenacted it without the problem provisions. It's a current federal crime. Also, many state have enacted their own statute. But you wouldn't know that, would you. You just post blind even without your magic words.

You made the statement he was a judge. You require proof from others even on trivia or they incur your insults. I know Admin now gone appointed you CRT Official Fact Checker and you have done great. So again Stickler, what public record? I call bullshit.

My only thoughts about Wise is he didn't back up his obit like he promised. You can. Other then that, I can get passed his blowhard tendency, he runs in good company, and I'm sure he's a good guy.

I do know 1000% Garfield was lying about his service unless he was on two continents during the same time span (I think Wise's obit of him which read liked the deceased wrote it himself, had him over there for 6 years as I remember) or he would have had to have had a twin hanging around Chicago, Viet Nam and San Jose, unlikely.
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Google for the D of D form #, you know how.

Ask Wise to help you live up to his promise. Three blowhards, one no longer with us, RIP.


I know you are having trouble understanding this but I really do not give a dam about Garfield's military achievements or lack of them. That is your concern.

I do give a dam about you making statements about individuals you most likely have never met. You can say anything you want about me because I participate in this open forum but to continually attack a person because they wrote an obituary you disagree with about a person you dislike seems a bit ridiculous.

I do not need to use Google to know that the form to obtain military records is SF-180 which is easily obtainable at the website http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel. Having been the Adjutant and the Commander of an American Legion post I have obtained and know the procedure to obtain military records.

Thank you for the information on The Stolen Valor Act.

Now you asked that I do the research to get the form number and I have complied.

I asked you to check the public records concerning an individual being a judge in Forrest County Mississippi in 1986. Seems like a simple matter for an attorney so whats the problem with complying with my request as I did yours? You allegedly found a discontinued website so you have some research skills.

Also would seem you should get Garfield's records yourself. It would seem to me a reasonable person would understand that after waiting two years you would conclude Mr. Wise is not going to produce them for you.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:13 pm 
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You have to add your magic words Stickler: "I tend to believe", then it makes it kosher for CRT purpsoes, right Stickler?

So let me play Irish Stickler because as the saying goes, a little knowledge of the law is very dangerous.

The Court threw out the original Stolen Valor Act in USA v Alvarez. Congress reenacted it without the problem provisions. It's a current federal crime. Also, many state have enacted their own statute. But you wouldn't know that, would you. You just post blind even without your magic words.

You made the statement he was a judge. You require proof from others even on trivia or they incur your insults. I know Admin now gone appointed you CRT Official Fact Checker and you have done great. So again Stickler, what public record? I call bullshit.

My only thoughts about Wise is he didn't back up his obit like he promised. You can. Other then that, I can get passed his blowhard tendency, he runs in good company, and I'm sure he's a good guy.

I do know 1000% Garfield was lying about his service unless he was on two continents during the same time span (I think Wise's obit of him which read liked the deceased wrote it himself, had him over there for 6 years as I remember) or he would have had to have had a twin hanging around Chicago, Viet Nam and San Jose, unlikely.
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Google for the D of D form #, you know how.

Ask Wise to help you live up to his promise. Three blowhards, one no longer with us, RIP.


I know you are having trouble understanding this but I really do not give a dam about Garfield's military achievements or lack of them. That is your concern.

I do give a dam about you making statements about individuals you most likely have never met. You can say anything you want about me because I participate in this open forum but to continually attack a person because they wrote an obituary you disagree with about a person you dislike seems a bit ridiculous.

I do not need to use Google to know that the form to obtain military records is SF-180 which is easily obtainable at the website http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel. Having been the Adjutant and the Commander of an American Legion post I have obtained and know the procedure to obtain military records.

Thank you for the information on The Stolen Valor Act. I hope you are correct as the last I heard it had been passed in the House and was working its way through the Senate.

Now you asked that I do the research to get the form number and I have complied.

I asked you to check the public records concerning an individual being a judge in Forrest County Mississippi in 1986. Seems like a simple matter for an attorney so whats the problem with complying with my request as I did yours? You allegedly found a discontinued website so you have some research skills.

Also would seem you should get Garfield's records yourself. It would seem to me a reasonable person would understand that after waiting two years you would conclude Mr. Wise is not going to produce them for you.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:57 pm 
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Put up or shut up Irish Stickler. You said, not me, that SuperLawyer was a judge and that it's public record. Donde? Post it. Back up your post and not with an advertisement.

Or just add your qualifiers we all now know are the safe words to use, "I tend to believe". Use those words boys and don't be fearful of an attack from Irish Stickler for being fluff, right Stickler?

How many times have you shot down good contributors on this board because they didn't pass your scrutiny? I'd say roughly 100x? Empirical data is your favorite shoot down term if I remember. A full time board monitor/pain in the ass? I think so.

What did you get out of my posts that translates to an attack on Super Lawyer's professional capabilities? That he posted a BS obit, and when challenged he then promised to prove it, then did not? Sorry Stickler, just applying your standards. If he would have added the super words "I tend to believe" that Garfield was a Medal of Honor nominee, a Silver Star recipient, and the other rat-a-tat stories, it wouldn't be an issue. He was the one who said he'd prove it after I posted and emailed the editor of AM Costa Rica that the obit was a fraud. Obviously judge turned DUI SuperLawyer with a PO Box realized he'd been duped by the super-duper. Still waiting, never is going to happen.

You can't go to bat for SuperLawyer on one hand and say the deceased's service history is not important. That's how SuperLawyer stuck his foot in his mouth. Like saying forget about Oswald's bad day on 11/22, the rest of the time he was a good Marine. He's yours, warts and all.

So, Adjudant Commander and thanks for keeping that branch going, although you have an old form #, you reveal that you know how to get the duper's records.

Someone with your credentials should be the 1st one to shoot down an imposter. Is there anything worse? That's why they made it a crime--twice. Help out your co-blowhard and prove me wrong. It'll take about a year, but I'll copy this post and see where you are at with this in say 6 or 9 months?

I know you thought the dope was "colorful". You got a kick out of him prancing around the Rey with a BatMan/Dracula cape and a Purple Heart on a cheap chain on his bare chest with bleach blond hair combed in a 6 inches high spike? Colorful? Knowing what SuperLawyer has now told before you posted that word, Adjutant, your analysis is this phoney was "colorful"? Mine would be he was a gringo disgrace, a military record liar, and a decrepid image of us to who knows how many Ticos he bullshitted in his years in CR who forever will think that he is us--including you. Your accepting description of him tarnishes your reputation.

Probably could have avoided alot of this if you would have disclosed SuperLawyer was your bud. You didn't, until your 3rd reply. Why? You posted like you didn't know him, but it was so obvious, I tend to believe. in on his bare chest with bleach blond hair

I'll pm you in Nov, see how you're doing with the silver Medal recipients records--incidentally, that's on-line too.


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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:30 pm 
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Another night and you guys are still rambling? You guys need to get laid.


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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:40 pm 
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So who will be around over Memorial Day w/e? :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:39 pm 
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Put up or shut up Irish Stickler. You said, not me, that SuperLawyer was a judge and that it's public record. Donde? Post it. Back up your post and not with an advertisement.



Just for you DGD because your to lazy too look it up yourself.

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Minister Ran School Before Baptist Academy

St. Louis Post-Dispatch/March 29, 1996
By Tim O'Neil

A Baptist minister whose school for troubled youths was the site of a killing had closed a similar school in Mississippi in 1987 after losing a lengthy battle with that state.

The Rev. Bobby Wills and his wife, Betty Wills, run the Mountain Park Baptist Church and Boarding School about 12 miles east of Piedmont, in southeastern Missouri. On Monday afternoon, a 16-year-old male student was found slain outside the boys' dormitory. Three fellow students were arrested.

The school is in Wayne County, about 110 miles south of St. Louis.

The victim, William Andrew Futrelle II, 16, of Boca Raton, Fla., is to be buried today in Wilmington, N.C. Investigator's said Futrelle's throat had been cut and his head had been beaten. They found a 4-inch knife, club and brick near his body.

Anthony G. Rutherford, 18, of Siloam Springs, Ark., was held without bond on charges of first-degree murder and armed criminal action. Two 15-year-old fellow male students from California may also face charges as adults.

Investigators have declined to discuss a motive. The school has declined to comment on the killing or the conflict in Mississippi.

Wills opened Mountain Park some time after he began buying the school's 164-acre tract in Wayne County in August 1987. Until that year, he had operated the Christian Life Boarding Academy south of Hattiesburg, Miss.

In September 1986, a youth court judge in Forrest County, Miss., ordered the Mississippi Department of Public Welfare to take emergency custody of the 117 residents of Christian Life. One month later, Wills was convicted of civil contempt for failure to turn over information about his students.

The clash was between the court's insistence that only it could confine minors and Wills' claim that he was protected by religious liberties. At the height of the fuss, the Rev. Jerry Falwell flew to Hattiesburg and led a rally in support of Wills.

Until then, Wills had called his school the Bethesda Home for Girls. He had opened it in 1972.

Lawyers for Wills fought the contempt conviction all the way to the Mississippi Supreme Court. Wills contended that the state had no right to regulate a church-run school. But in 1988, that court affirmed the conviction, and Wills' $44 million suit in federal court against the youth court judge and guardians was thrown out later that year.

According to lawyers in Mississippi and articles published back then by the Jackson, Miss. Clarion-Ledger, and the youth court in Hattiesburg had determined in 1984 that Wills ran a detention center because students were confined to grounds. The court said the school was subject to court review of the status of all students.

The contempt order did not relate directly to the treatment of students. But during the controversy, Wills signed a federal-court consent decree banning the use of paddling pregnant residents and forced confinement in his school. That decree ended a separate lawsuit on behalf of a former student that was filed in 1982 by Morris Dees, head of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala.

In Missouri, the state does not monitor private, religious schools. Daniel Wise, a former special youth judge in Hattiesburg who issued the order allowing Mississippi to take custody of Wills' students, said Thursday he believed that's why Wills moved to Missouri.

Wills' school in Mississippi got many of its students from other states. His Mountain Park School also gets most of its students from other states.

The Missouri Division of Youth Services has received no complaints about treatment at Mountain Park School. The Wayne County sheriff's office has said it has handled only an occasional case involving a runaway.

But Mountain Park does have a dispute with Wayne County. The county cancelled the school's tax exemption for 1995 and billed the school $9,766 in property taxes that were due Dec. 31. The school has yet to pay or file a protest, the county collector's office reported.

County assessor Don Kemp said he proposed revoking the tax exemption after the school built a home in 1994 that Kemp valued at $132,000. He said the school also built a home in 1993 that he valued at $90,300. Kemp said the Willses and one of their sons live in the two homes.


"We put it back on the tax rolls because we think it's a commercial operation rather than a nonprofit,"" Kemp said Thursday. "I wanted proof of the cash flow."

Kemp said the school never had provided information about its revenue or assets.]


It takes a big man to admit he was wrong so don't worry Mr. Wise is not expecting to hear from you.

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I'm glad he gave you that link. But you're not glad he didn't explain to you what a "Special Youth Judge" is.

I'll remind you in 6 months to see the status of your records request for you know who. You and superlawyer have promised to produce them, he promised 5 years ago.

And why you're at it, check him out also in FL.


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Class of 68-69 Vietnam. 82nd Airborne brigade. Been there...done that. Lost a number of buddies. That's all I have to say about that. Some need to remember what Memorial Day is about.


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Here is a great site that lists the recipients of the Silver Star. I do not think it is a complete listing but may provide some help to resolve doubts...
http://www.homeofheroes.com/silverstar/
Same site has a list for recipients of the Medal of Honor:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/index.html
As well as for the Distinguished Service Cross:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/02_ ... _list.html
Navy Cross:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/02_ ... _list.html
Air Force Cross:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/members/02_ ... _main.html

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Class of 68-69 Vietnam. 82nd Airborne brigade. Been there...done that. Lost a number of buddies. That's all I have to say about that. Some need to remember what Memorial Day is about.

+1000000 and thanks for your service Circus!

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Now we have a list of real/bona fideSilver Star recipients, not imposters, all of whom we owe a deep debt to whether they were KIA or survived, and Memorial Day is the perfect time to reflect on these heroes.


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I'm glad he gave you that link.


He did not give that link not that it matters

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But you're not glad he didn't explain to you what a "Special Youth Judge" is.


Guess that is as close as we will ever get to hearing you admit you were wrong. He was a judge pure and simple. Case closed!!!!

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I'll remind you in 6 months to see the status of your records request for you know who. You and superlawyer have promised to produce them, he promised 5 years ago.


Please show were I ever promised to produce any documentation about Garfield. As I stated earlier in this thread I really do not care if he was who he says he was or if he was a complete fraud. To me he was a gringo gulch character nothing more nothing less. As I also stated earlier it is obvious that Dan Wise is not going to produce them so check it out yourself since you are so worried.

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You just had it handy from 25 years ago.

You don't get it--maybe for a day he was an informal arbitrator in a private setting due to the minority age. No lawyer who sits for a day as a "Special Youth Court Judge" would ever, ever call themselves a judge. I'm sure he never did, only you.

I'll remind you in 6 months about getting his war records.


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For those who will be in Costa Rica on Memorial Day Monday May 27 there will be a Memorial Day Service held at the San Antonio de Escazu ceremony at 10:00 AM.

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You just had it handy from 25 years ago.

You don't get it--maybe for a day he was an informal arbitrator in a private setting. No lawyer to act as a "Special Youth Court Judge" would ever, ever call themselves a judge. I'm sure he never did, only you.

I'll remind you in 6 months about getting his war records.


Off course I did not just have it handy. There is this wonderful thing called the internet and there are search engines that allow you to find things like news articles published in 1996.

You simply refuse to let the matter rest no matter how many times you are shown to be in error. I guess the old adage is true: Never Argue With A Fool, He’ll Beat You Down With Experience. Rant on I am out of here.

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