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Great insight fellas. Srilm made a pretty strong statement that racism is stronger in other countries besides the U.S. I've haven't been to nearly as many places as he has but I'm inclined to agree with him. I've met some great people from other countries however, and the hatred for the "other" is palpable. One thing I've noticed is that for many cultures throughout the world so much hatred is broken down in levels like this:
1. Religion
2. Class
3. Race/ethnicity

If the religion doesn't get you the fact that your not in a particular class will. Finally, if neither of those are considerations then the fact that you are dark in color will definitely do you in. I'm learning more about Latin America everyday. If there's one thing that I find interesting about it is how class conscience most are, especially in countries like Colombia. Since Latin America is predominantly Roman Catholic that means we have to focus on #2 for the daily dose of hatred.

The point is that every culture has those who they feel are beneath them. It's actually pretty sad that no matter how technologically advanced we become, we cannot see people as just people.

Guess I'm human too.

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Yo, I'm off on a Jett/relaxed to the monger set/
Got the chica pro-flo headed out the doe/
Got cien dollar bills-n-bags for my Del Rey shags/
Scoping out Tica heels wit the flaca feels/
No novia para me cause its extra fee, not "free"/
Gonna get a Pura Vida meeta not a gringa skeeza/
Dis is how it goes wit hoes in Santa Joe's/
No need for the true player/just a true payer
Ya dig?

the one caveat i would make in regards to the indian guys are the large groups. have seen several very large groups and heard the girls comment that none of them are paying customers. not sure if its true or perception but that is def what the working girls think. never see them hang out buying food or drinks either. maybe thats my false perception.

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riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of hollywood

This Thread is one of the reasons I'm here--a calm discussion of a sometimes fraught subject. Bravo to all.

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

Quote: " I have been kicked out of 2 bars in the UK for looking Irish. At a third, there was a sign that said "Irish not welcome""

Yep. And it festers and fosters. Never forget.

Are you implying hate crimes never occur in the US? And that we are a shining star compared to the rest of the world? We have a loooong way to go before we can claim that, brother Srilm.

I think you're falling into the "Well, I saw this so it must be true" fallacy. Painting with a very broad brush based on what you *personally* have perceived.

If you are saying overt racism or institutionalized racism is far more prevalent in other countries than in the US, then you would have a strong case. We have laws in this country against that sort of thing. For instance, it's common for people in Latin American countries for instance to say things like "Mira ese negro" or "Oye negra" when referring to dark skinned people, and "mejorar la raza" is a clear objective for Latin women who pursue white males with blue eyes. There are TV programs in Costa Rica that refer to Nicaraguans as "nica rata".

But saying every other country in the world (at least the 120 you have personally visited, presumably as a tourist or for work) is more racist than the US is not a defensible argument if you're going to base it on personal experience and anecdotal evidence (e.g. "I saw someone get beat up in Russia because they were black").

Heck, I saw a gringo get beat up because he was asking for prostitutes and referring to them as 'ticas'. Should I extrapolate from that incident most Americans like to denigrate other nationalities? Or that ticos are volatile touchy violent bastards who will fly into a homicidal rage at the slightest provocation? Of course not.

mh

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Here's that book with a short bit on his life and times--one amazing man: http://www.amazon.com/Olaudah-Equiano/e ... sr=1-2-ent

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"A man accustomed to hear only the echo of his own sentiments, soon bars all the common avenues of delight, and has no part in the general gratification of mankind"--Dr. Johnson
"Amen, brother"-ED

Cool. This is a great discussion.

I'd like to weigh in if I may. I'm a black American and while I haven't been to all the countries I'd like, I'm very concerned about how I'm treated based on my race. The OP is basically asking if he's going to get the raw treatment because of his race. Will the girls he likes like him or reject him on account of him being Asian? Being a "minority" sucks sometimes because you never really know if people are treating you a certain way based upon your skin color or if they're just having a bad day. This makes black men like me on constant guard oversees. In America, if a white guy hates black people he usually has several reasons as to why that is. Of course, his reasoning is based on ignorance and stupidity. Nevertheless, at the very least he can put his hatred and ignorance into some historical or anecdotal context.

In places like Costa Rica and other places throughout the world, I feel that the natives get a very limited view of black Americans. They see the rap videos, the anti-social behavior and all the ugly stereotypes and base their assumptions on that. They don't see blacks as being productive, hard-working, educated, and financially stable. They only get the one view. Heck, I've met white American mongers and even they're surprised! I'm sitting at the bar and having a conversation with a guy and then I get the "look." The look is the sudden awareness that this guy from Charlotte, NC who thinks the worst of black people and black men in particular is having a conversation with a black guy over an Imperial. We're sitting there laughing and talking about where the S&P 500 is headed after the Eurozone fails. It's hilarious as hell.

Back to my point. I'm always aware of my environment when I travel but I'm always on alert because of my race. I didn't have a problem in SJO that I'm aware of. I got some stares and one security guy at the DR asking me if I was an Americano. I said, "si" and he left me alone. That was it. I don't know why he asked me that. Perhaps I looked like a Tico from Limon? Who knows?

I asked a couple of darker skinned chicas that I spent some time with about this and they said that they experience prejudice fairly often. The other fairer skinned chicas get together and talk racist shit to their faces. Sadly, I was not surprised. I've been informed that having dark skin in Costa Rica is the hallmark of lower class standing. Let's also no forget the there are many woman throughout the world that don't want to be bothered with black men because we're perceived as violent, pimps, and "don't treat the ladies right." It's bullshit. Matter of fact, one member of this board once posted that he wanted to sex up this chica but decided against it because she just got finished phucking a black monger! Now I ask you, my fellow enlightened gentlemen, how f'ed up is that? Some of the dudes reading this right now perpetuate this bullshit and would do the same thing. Apparently, my cien isn't the same as a white mongers cien.

This is life. People are f'ed up in this world but it isn't gonna stop me from doing my thing.

I'm gonna stop right now because I beginning to get a little angry and I don't want to do that.

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Yo, I'm off on a Jett/relaxed to the monger set/
Got the chica pro-flo headed out the doe/
Got cien dollar bills-n-bags for my Del Rey shags/
Scoping out Tica heels wit the flaca feels/
No novia para me cause its extra fee, not "free"/
Gonna get a Pura Vida meeta not a gringa skeeza/
Dis is how it goes wit hoes in Santa Joe's/
No need for the true player/just a true payer
Ya dig?

If a chica thinks ur fine ass hell and she's all about it, no bias will stop her from gettin' down. But if it's business all the way, then that's worse then being any color.

Mongers in general have such a stereotype (from the eyes of a chica) race should be a small worry. In p4p areas/scenarios, mongers in general face more prejudice then they know, forget the white, black, purple, yellow stuff...


Cujo

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"Pain is the fuel that fans the flames of my pyre. A battle plan is only as good as the general carrying it out on the field. This is my war son, and I have the biggest bombs and the smallest conscience"...

Thank you, Srilm. I'm sticking to Latin America and the Caribbean for now. After I get tired of those places I may venture out to Thailand or the PI. That could be a long time from now with all the varieties of Latin women!

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Yo, I'm off on a Jett/relaxed to the monger set/
Got the chica pro-flo headed out the doe/
Got cien dollar bills-n-bags for my Del Rey shags/
Scoping out Tica heels wit the flaca feels/
No novia para me cause its extra fee, not "free"/
Gonna get a Pura Vida meeta not a gringa skeeza/
Dis is how it goes wit hoes in Santa Joe's/
No need for the true player/just a true payer
Ya dig?

Hey Cujo, I've always wanted to know what they(the women) think of us. I've always been curious what their tactics are and how many choose to approach or not approach. Surely, they don't think that we as mongers are all made of the same cloth? Of course, I'm asking this because if I knew what these ladies were thinking I could surprise and foil them to my advantage .

It's interesting to me that they don't have a Gringo board where the ladies can discuss and learn from each others experience. Am I the only one to bring this up? The chica network must be very strong considering they don't have their own website and forum. I never see them talk shit about "how to get the most money from a monger" or "should I shave my vagina." I wonder if they were to have their own website would they post stuff like, "Whatever happened to Maria from the Del Rey?"

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Yo, I'm off on a Jett/relaxed to the monger set/
Got the chica pro-flo headed out the doe/
Got cien dollar bills-n-bags for my Del Rey shags/
Scoping out Tica heels wit the flaca feels/
No novia para me cause its extra fee, not "free"/
Gonna get a Pura Vida meeta not a gringa skeeza/
Dis is how it goes wit hoes in Santa Joe's/
No need for the true player/just a true payer
Ya dig?

Ha, funny indeed Jett..They don't need a board because they assess what they think of you 3.5 seconds after meeting you. Now from there its on you to either change or enhance what they may be thinking. Obviously they know we are different, but the only thing they have to gauge this by are things like appearence and age..

From there its worked out...I have a bit of a reputation on this board telling guys to learn spanish because I feel/ (know, lol) that is the best way to get them off this p4p attitude and treat you right. But there are many variations to mongering, you have guys who could care less and jus wanna fugg whatever chica for whatever price and move on. That's cool too...but for me after a while its boring.

I would say usually a chica is thinking how much she can get from you doing as little possible especially if appearence and age are suffering. Being a fluent speaker I know I couldn't get away with %90 of the stuff I do if I couldn't talk to them "real like"...not where ju stay, first time here, where ju frung, kinda stuff. Most mongers go wrong because the chica KNOWS you would never have a shot with her under a normal circumstance, and so like any human they take advantage of that...er, because they can. Whenever a monger wants a chica so much more then she wants his business AND she knows that ( it happens incessantly) then its going to be a fail for the monger. But chicas kinda rely on that..

I'm sure you have a way with women in your area, now imagine how handcuffed you would be if you couldn't (really) talk to them...yea man, same same..

So many factors may go into a chica approaching or not approaching: the aforementioned appearance and age..or she may think you wouldn't go for her cause maybe (you) are out of her league...or, her friends are watching and they are embarrassed etc etc etc..it goes on forever..

Remember, Costa Rica is a P4p destination cause MONGERS say so for the most part. Like I've said, these chicas will get down on the normal tip, yes the working ones. Each of us can mold CR into almost whatever we want it to be...

P.S. I'm not knocking older or ugly mongers here..jus answering a question


Continue the good times


Cujo

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"Pain is the fuel that fans the flames of my pyre. A battle plan is only as good as the general carrying it out on the field. This is my war son, and I have the biggest bombs and the smallest conscience"...

I agree that for the most part it could be better to be fluent, but it could get me into a lot of trouble. I seem to have a gift to sling sh*t, and women, especially Latina's, take that sh*t to heart.

About looks.............. I am old, and fat. I dress fairly well, I am clean, wear cologne, but most important I am always happy. When your aura is shining, women will look past the physical.

A case in point... I was just on vacation and at a party. An amigo came by and said, "See that hot lady over there, she wants to be with you. Now mind you there were several young dudes surrounding her, and hitting on her. I looked at her and she smiled, the knowing kind of smile that says yes (if you have the money ). I went over to her and said hello and lightly touched her arm, and face, to judge her response. It was very positive. So what do I do now, I apologize and say I'm going to talk to my friend. She is now confused. Over the next couple of hours I made her come to me. This was way out of style for her, men come to her. It is funny because I will say to a lady, "Would you like a drink"? She says "Si". I said, "They are right over there, while you are over there, get me one"!! This was the end of being out of her norm with me. She said, "I do not do that, please get me a drink". I then asked her friend if she would like me to get one for her also, and she said, "Si". I noticed that her friend also had a very used napkin in her hand, and I brought them both back drinks, and handed her friend a new napkin. They were very impressed with that.

I continued to take her out of her comfort zone for some more time. I then went over to near where she was sitting and had her come over and sit beside me. I was very attentive, while finding out what part of her non-sexual body was most receptive to being touched. She was more than primed and ready, and we had a very, very nice session, with her actually thanking me (and actually meaning it) when it was over and I was still lightly stroking her.

My point in this is that yes, my age, and body type are not what one would consider to be of prime material for the ladies. This lady could have had several other men, half my age, and in good shape, but chose me.

Do not let your age, looks, or shape, define who you are. You have several other qualities that I, or others, do not have. Use them to your advantage and women are putty in your hands.

Health & happiness to all...........

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Shoe on the other foot.....

A few years back, I had a fugg buddy morena (dark) Nica in Managua. She couldn't get over the fact that I was not embarrassed to be seen walking in public with her. The whole concept of a guero gringo being seen in public with a morena was completely foreign to her.

Again, this whole convo has been enlightening--glad to see Brother Santas Bro's contribution. If anybody has questions about an African experience, I'd suggest a PM to Brother Capitan1962--. Personally I'm a "reverse racist"--just love those Dominican Chicas at the KL. Damn they taste good. End of outing myself.

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"Amen, brother"-ED

Perhaps they assumed they were Dominicans and didn't want to run the risk of being robbed?

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