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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:46 pm 
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Your general premise that the rules have to be published after the law is correct, but the Ministry of Health decided to do something different this time. Instead of waiting the full six months provided for the publication of rules, they decided to issue some of the rules in advance. The consequence is that while the full set of rules may be forthcoming, there are a few rules that have immediate application.


By your own posting you agree that the full set of rules have not been issued. Nuff said.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 5:59 pm 
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haha Now that we get into the technicalities we can easy take this thread to 20+ pages. Slice it, dice it anyway you want. There is no more smoking in Costa Rica! Pretty cut and dry, don't shoot the messenger. :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:36 pm 
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Seems Sportsmens lodge took it to the extreme.

Just called Darren at Castillo. You can smoke in the bar out back, and in your room. Just not in the common areas, like the lobby and hallway.

That sounds like common sense. Any trips now will be to Hotel Castillo.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Seems Sportsmens lodge took it to the extreme.

Just called Darren at Castillo. You can smoke in the bar out back, and in your room. Just not in the common areas, like the lobby and hallway.

That sounds like common sense. Any trips now will be to Hotel Castillo.



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Really, really I understand...but smoking on any so-called public or commonly used property is illegal at this point in CR. I want to keep 100% of my guests/customers happy but within the laws of the land. Otherwise we lose without a doubt, "everything & everyone". Smoking in most rooms at SL is still legal therefore allowable.


This is a new legal issue now in CR, so I do understand the comparisons due to various interpretations of the law. The people who make mistakes in this area, their fault or due to just bad advice will pay a big price in the end. IMHO.


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:46 am 
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Just called Darren at Castillo. You can smoke in the bar out back,




doesn't sound like too much fun, having a smoke by yourself at a bar that's been closed
for quite some time. I don't go to CR to hang out at lonely looser bars by myself, there's
enough of those joints in Vegas. I'd rather not smoke & hang out where the girls are.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:41 am 
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So there is some play that's cool. It must be a bitch on our favorites to deal with this can't win situation, Thanks for doing what you can Bill, Boyd, Darren and anyone else I don't know who is trying. I'm retired so I can't afford to rent the Penthouse for a Month so I can smoke cigars with my friends doubt I could get a month at once anyway. LOL

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:05 pm 
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HLH is being careful. Went into the cigar room and started to light up a cigarette and was told only cigars in the cigar room, still have to go outside to smoke a cigarette.

Even at the airport today, I was standing away from the parking garage, a good 50 feet from anyone in open air and was still ask to put out my cigarette...

If you had the kind of money invested in a place of business here as do Bill and Boyd for example, would you risk it??

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Wow... quite a leap. The government bans smoking and mongers are shitting their pants thinking pu*sy will be outlawed next. That will never happen. Here's why... 99% of the hookers have no education/skills to work at anything other than what they are doing. Plus, the fact that there are not enough jobs now for those who want to work, much less adding thousands more to the labor pool. And the gov't has no way to support them if they can't pull tricks anymore. How will the hookers and the people who depend on them survive? I'm sure the US will help. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Brother Orange makes an excellent point, which leads to--Did the CR govt. do a cost-benefit analysis on revenue losses (both taxes and pulperia's decline in revenue) before this precipitous step? I'd say "NO!" A lot of small shopkeepers depend on tobacco revenue for survival--what's to become of them? What programs will be cut because of tax revenue decline? How about immigrant Asian communities particularly Chinese? Equal enforcement there, on folks who are the heaviest per-capita smokers on Earth?
An utter irrelevancy but a lot of U.S. communities will be defaulting when tobacco settlement money dries up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/busin ... fault.html

The commonality is "unintended consequences" and/or "collateral damage".

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The cigar room at HLH is cigar only by Bruce's choice. That has nothiing to do with the law. Reality in Costa Rica is we have no idea on how they are going to enforce it. I sat parameters for HLH that I think balance the risk and my customer's needs,

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:31 pm 
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I'm really surprised that you cant smoke in the SL main bar. It is an open air bar after all. Sort of. A SL type bar would be no problem here in the states to smoke.


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Vegan Bob wrote:
JazzboCR wrote:
Orange wrote:
Wow... quite a leap. The government bans smoking and mongers are shitting their pants thinking pu*sy will be outlawed next. That will never happen. Here's why... 99% of the hookers have no education/skills to work at anything other than what they are doing. Plus, the fact that there are not enough jobs now for those who want to work, much less adding thousands more to the labor pool. And the gov't has no way to support them if they can't pull tricks anymore. How will the hookers and the people who depend on them survive? I'm sure the US will help. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Brother Orange makes an excellent point, which leads to--Did the CR govt. do a cost-benefit analysis on revenue losses (both taxes and pulperia's decline in revenue) before this precipitous step? I'd say "NO!" A lot of small shopkeepers depend on tobacco revenue for survival--what's to become of them? What programs will be cut because of tax revenue decline? How about immigrant Asian communities particularly Chinese? Equal enforcement there, on folks who are the heaviest per-capita smokers on Earth?
An utter irrelevancy but a lot of U.S. communities will be defaulting when tobacco settlement money dries up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/busin ... fault.html

The commonality is "unintended consequences" and/or "collateral damage".



Absolute rubbish. I think that the 'bot' needs to be fine tuned.

Is it any wonder that so many have used the "Ignore" button on this joker? Discourse here doesn't have to be polite but should be at least respectful. Epic fail from this troll.

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Is it any wonder that so many have used the "Ignore" button on this joker? Discourse here doesn't have to be polite but should be at least respectful. Epic fail from this troll.




I have over the years seen all kind of posters on CRT no need to delve into that any further except to say as far a I knew they were all ethical.

When Vegan Bob appeared on the scene is was obvious that intended to cause confusion with Vegas Bob a well respected long term life member. I like most put up with his antics.

What led me to put him on my ignore list was he started a poll as to who should retain the VB handle. His poll had Vegan Bob in the first spot and Vegas Bob in the second spot. Naturally the overwhelming vote was in favor of Vegas Bob so Vegan switched the positions in the poll showing him the winner. That was enough of his nonsense for me. If a man has no ethics I do not want to read anything he has to say so by putting him on ignore I do not even have to see his nonsense.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Well, I personally are very happy as an ex-social smoker. I can't stand smoke now. Especially cigars.

Its about time that Costa Rica started to become civilized.

Partial laws have no impact in Costa Rica. Smoking sections don't work, nothing really does. So naturally the move to this anti-smoking extreme was necessary.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:42 am 
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Does anyone know if the open air smoking bar inside the airport is still open. Also, the smoking area just outside of the entrance door to the terminal. I have several non-CRT member friends that visit CR doing business. One is a cigar smoker and the other two (one is a woman) smokes cigs. I guess they are concerned about this so I posted the question. And no, they (the men) go to CR on business and do not seek out the local ladies.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:28 am 
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Puravidatransport wrote:
HLH is being careful. Went into the cigar room and started to light up a cigarette and was told only cigars in the cigar room, still have to go outside to smoke a cigarette.

Even at the airport today, I was standing away from the parking garage, a good 50 feet from anyone in open air and was still ask to put out my cigarette...

If you had the kind of money invested in a place of business here as do Bill and Boyd for example, would you risk it??



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The cigar room at HLH is cigar only by Bruce's choice. That has nothiing to do with the law. Reality in Costa Rica is we have no idea on how they are going to enforce it. I sat parameters for HLH that I think balance the risk and my customer's needs,



Not all that uncommon - many cigar shops/lounges, especially those that have their inventory out on display don't want cig's b/c of the chemicals and additives contained that can contaminate cigars.....

In the case of HLH, if Bruce allowed cigarette smokers, there would be no room for the guys smoking cigars, plus - and I'm no phoney; I wish all smokers could be accomadated, along with non - but cigars are a natural product - ah, WTF......most people don't smoke, and majority rules; we get it - but what is dumb:

Telling a guy he can't smoke 50 phucking feet, outside, near an airport parking garage :shock: :roll:

(I hope no one is surprised that we are likely to enter the "Stupid Season" re this law - looks like its going waaaay too far the wrong way - from my perspective)

Lumping cigars and cigaretts together

Not allowing the business owner to regulate what goes on in his own business

I promised myself that I would not comment further on this subject but.....I love cigars, Costa Rica, and freedom to not deal with some of the restrictions and life hassles we face in the USA - I'm leaving for a week in Granada Nigararua tomorrow night - wonder if they have the same smoking policies....... (its a big cigar producer, so who knows)


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