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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:29 pm 
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MarkL54 wrote:
I think you could voice your opinion without the dog and sewage references.


He certainly could have and should have as the comment was inappropriate.

However, the response

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was equally inappropriate.

Seems to happen a lot when a thread with some valid points on both sides runs to long. After awhile everything has really been said that needs to be said. The temptation to get in a parting shot leads frequently to inappropriate and unnecessary comments.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:10 pm 
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"Seems to happen a lot when a thread with some valid points on both sides runs to long. After awhile everything has really been said that needs to be said. "

Sorry, don't know how to quote a part, but this pretty much sums it up.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:41 am 
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I have stated this multiple times over the past couple of weeks. These absolutely INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS are not to be tolerated.

What exactly was the guy being an idiot about reporting what was going on downtown?

You have an opinion state it as a GENTLEMEN. If you don't have one than SHUT THE PHUCK UP! I can't say it any more clearly than that.

I don't care if you are VIP, Lifetime VIP, Non VIP. The Comments attacking other members STOP NOW I simply do not want to read them and I don't want to moderate them.

If that is not clear enough than go find yourself another posting forum. There are Plenty to choose from, but I have reached the Final level in the coffee cup and its about to run over.

I state this again Either add something of substance or DO NOT POST!

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Ok...I will man up, and apologize to any other folks who may have taken issue with my flame. My safety was off.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:20 pm 
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Here is a little twist in the road. Do you guys that really don't like smoking kiss chicas that smoke when you go with them? Not go with chicas that smoke? Does it affect the selection process at all?


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:49 pm 
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Thirdworld wrote:
Here is a little twist in the road. Do you guys that really don't like smoking kiss chicas that smoke when you go with them? Not go with chicas that smoke? Does it affect the selection process at all?



For me, it does effect the selection process. It is not a deal killer, but it is one of the factors I make in the selection process. Chain smokers are usually out unless there is other things about her that make her a must have...

That said, I do make it known that my room is no smoking and she would have to leave the room- that has never once been an issue.

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I am still living in fantasy land, I just do not understand why compromise can't be reached, (sure I know it's a done deal) I sill do not want my cigar smoke to bother anyone and I Know for a fact that it could have been handled so both parties would be happy. But no just ban everything. Typical Government thinking!

Enough of this looks like Boyd has made it so that I can visit his establishment and from what I have seen and heard from him I am not surprised the least, Thank You Boyd.

Now did Bill at SL do something similar or did I miss it? I sure hope so as I love that place, any reports on other places and changes they may have made to accommodate us cigar smokers and the cig guy's which I am not one of but I think they should also have rights.

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boyd got lucky, in a manner of speaking. hlh is and always has been (as far as i know and as long as i can remember) two separate businesses. the cigar operation up front is technically not part of the hotel/restaurant/bar.

SL has complied with the letter of the law. no smoking on property (even outside, which i've never heard of before. everybody goes out front on the sidewalk

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Not sure how you can categorically state that. First and foremost I do not believe you hold a law degree and can determine someone has complied with the letter of the law. Secondly in Costa Rica there are two very separate and distinct actions that occur when a law is passed. The legislators write and pass the broad concept of the law. The bureaucrats write the regulations on the finer details of interpretation and enforcement. Those regulations have yet to be published and until they are no one can say with absolute certainty what will and will not be allowed.

Even after the regulations are published there will almost certainly be a citizen who will ask the constitutional court to rule on the law and regulations.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:49 am 
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Srilm wrote:
boyd got lucky, in a manner of speaking. hlh is and always has been (as far as i know and as long as i can remember) two separate businesses. the cigar operation up front is technically not part of the hotel/restaurant/bar.

SL has complied with the letter of the law. no smoking on property (even outside, which i've never heard of before. everybody goes out front on the sidewalk

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Not sure how you can categorically state that. First and foremost I do not believe you hold a law degree and can determine someone has complied with the letter of the law. Secondly in Costa Rica there are two very separate and distinct actions that occur when a law is passed. The legislators write and pass the broad concept of the law. The bureaucrats write the regulations on the finer details of interpretation and enforcement. Those regulations have yet to be published and until they are no one can say with absolute certainty what will and will not be allowed.

Even after the regulations are published there will almost certainly be a citizen who will ask the constitutional court to rule on the law and regulations.



ID are you sure the law has yet to be published?

We have a copy of here at SL and we are just following it completely to the words/law/regulations that we have read.

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True Sportsman wrote:
Irish Drifter wrote:
Srilm wrote:
boyd got lucky, in a manner of speaking. hlh is and always has been (as far as i know and as long as i can remember) two separate businesses. the cigar operation up front is technically not part of the hotel/restaurant/bar.

SL has complied with the letter of the law. no smoking on property (even outside, which i've never heard of before. everybody goes out front on the sidewalk

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Not sure how you can categorically state that. First and foremost I do not believe you hold a law degree and can determine someone has complied with the letter of the law. Secondly in Costa Rica there are two very separate and distinct actions that occur when a law is passed. The legislators write and pass the broad concept of the law. The bureaucrats write the regulations on the finer details of interpretation and enforcement. Those regulations have yet to be published and until they are no one can say with absolute certainty what will and will not be allowed.

Even after the regulations are published there will almost certainly be a citizen who will ask the constitutional court to rule on the law and regulations.



ID are you sure the law has yet to be punlished?

We have a copy of here at SL and we are just following it completely to the words/law/regulations that we have read.

Bill

Punlished? Bill, you may have coined a new word: published + punished = punlished. Which may be appropriate in this case with the new law. :D

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True Sportsman wrote:

ID are you sure the law has yet to be punlished?

We have a copy of here at SL and we are just following it completely to the words/law/regulations that we have read.

Bill


Bill,

The law has been published. What I stated was the regulations have yet to be published.

If you will recall when the Immigration law was changed a few years ago the regulations describing the implementation of the law did not get published until many months later. Now years later those regulations are reportedly being worked on and a new set of regulations, defining the same law, will be published.

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What will be interesting to see is how the bureaucrats that write the regulations define "interior space"; would a totally open space in the interior of a building qualify as "exterior"? I'm thinking here of the courtyard at the KL or anything similar. I guess no chance of copying FL law in this, thus no million or so Tiki Huts attached to bars/restaurants, nor provisions that if food sales are less than a specified % of gross sales (it's 11 % in Florida), smoking is OK.

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Greengo wrote:
the water they tell you is safe to drink has high concentrations of pesticides..growth hormones..heavy metals..fecal matter..the rivers and beaches are rife with efluvia..medical and human waste..the biggest semi non tourist industry is targeting a specific sector of expats and investors using govt data ...reaming them out using a network of other expats and realtors..hookers.. :P ..judges lawyers... police and holier than thou expat touts with a napoleonic keyboard and hand tucked into grimy tees from C*m glazed recliners in expat bunker complexes..to extract that exquisite pound of flesh and a little extra blood money to score a stolen hour or two with their favorite trannies...billions of u s tax dollars trade concessions loan guarantees that never make it past the first layer of garchs and extended huge family of smalligarch paws and entertainment industry moneylaunderers.. while doctors and hospitals reel with an onslaught of patients and expense..the caja is exploding with poorly designed and executed drugs and therapies ..obsolete tainted counterfeit and used equipment purchased in poor repair to begin with..from scammers and crimminals in third fourth and fifth world countries... :)bought at new prices and "maintained" with mega inflated contracts from the same..cars donated to the cops rusting away because the monies for maintenance and parts have dissappeared like a shithouse rat in a thunderstorm... an army of young cops too lazy and corrupt to get a real job... whose only goal in life is fuckingsomepoliticians wife to get a leg up or ripping tourists for seed money to obtain protection from upper lever cops to start his own gang of offical thugs..or at the least some new designer threads so he can pretend to be a smalligarch in an escazu nightclub...a population of young people indoctrinated in public schools with the latest thought control propoganda from china and korea ...thinking that their revulsion for capatalism and u s blood and treasure C*ck blocking the chinese and the even more insidious C*m drunk faculty harvard shitstorm of maos agenda for culling the world population of non compliants makes them a cutting edge contingent of elite and willing cumdrunk socialist fudgepackers...to a one theyll tell you they hate the gringos..they dont know why ..they just give you that confused look and repeat it ....their comrades looking on ...and wondering ..why do we hate the gringos? before they start stomping around and themselves repeating.. :lol: Phuck the gringos.. :lol: you gotta love it.. :) its 1984 folded into an enhanced profusion of historically revisionist sexually dysmorphic origami...worrying about a little smoke in the land of smoke and mirrors ...priceless.. :lol:

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Srilm wrote:
boyd got lucky, in a manner of speaking. hlh is and always has been (as far as i know and as long as i can remember) two separate businesses. the cigar operation up front is technically not part of the hotel/restaurant/bar.



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Simply Put: "No smoking on the property of an establishment that is required to comply as stated in the terms of the law" -- the basic statement of the law, paraphrased in English. It is in writing and every place I checked out (see my post earlier about my little mission to see how certain places were complying with the law) told me exactly the same thing that TS did -- "no smoking on the property, period".
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Thank you for reinforcing my point. Until the regulations are promulgated it is not possible to categorically state that you are following the law. Here are some of the problems as I see it and this is only a few of possibly dozens of situations that are not clearly defined as of this moment.

You say the cigar operation is not part of the hotel but a totally separate business and therefore exempt. You then post that the law states "no smoking on the property, period".

Would it not be fair to speculate that the cigar bar leases space from HLH and is not the owner of the property but rather a lessee? If that is the case would it not logically follow that HLH is the actual owner of the property and under the letter of the law, as you explained it, ""no smoking on the property, period" would indeed include the cigar bar as they are located on the property of an establishment that is covered under the law. Even more troubling should ""no smoking on the property, period" be upheld as the final word how can you have a smoking lounge anywhere on the property? Must all your hotel rooms be smoke free?

I am not saying that that situation is actually how the final regulations will define situations such as that. I am simply suggesting that at this stage of the game only the broad concepts are known. As usual the devil is in the details.

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