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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:55 pm 
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CHAPTER II ARTICLE 5. Sites prohibited to smoke
n) areas or establishments where prepared, processed, taste it or sell foods, such as restaurants, bars and cafes.

The Havana Humidor Room is not a prohibited area or business.


I certainly hope you are correct in your interpretation of the law. Clearly anyone who enters a cigar room is aware that one of the purposes of a cigar room is the smoking of cigars and therefore smoke will be present so they would seem to have voluntarily given up their right to complain.

That being said, there is an article in today’s Inside Costa Rica that indicates there is a possibility that the law may be interpreted so broadly as to outlaw smoking in parking lots of restaurants and bars.
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Costa Rican Authorities To Get Tough On Smokers Starting This Week

Although the regulations and enforcements, nor where to pay the fines, is in place the Ministerio de Salud says it will start this week visiting bars and restaurants around the country to ensure compliance to the Ley de Antitabaco.

"From next week we will visit these places, the Minister also informed by the regional establishments must remove any sign that indicates smoking area" said Roberto Castro, Director of Surveillance of the Ministry of Health, to the press last week.

With the move the the smoking ban comes into its full rigor this week, and that all establishments are aware, if not met will take the necessary measures.

The sanctions against bars and restuarants, for example, can be a fine and include the suspension of the operating permit.

If a bar or restaurant loses their "permiso sanitario" it will then have to then initiate the complicated of getting it back.

Reports sent in to Inside Costa Rica indicate that the local municipal police in San José last week visited a number of bars and restaurants and issued warnings.

In many places smokers are being asked to go outside to feed their habit, some having to take to the sidewalks of the public streets as the debate centres on whether a parking lot is deemed part of the bar or restaurant.

In malls, like Multiplaza in Escazú, an ICR reader informs that he was asked by a security guard to snuff out while sitting his his vehicle, parked in the malls parking lot, while smoking. "Where am I to go, to the pista?", was the rhetorical question.

One of the requirements under the law is that establishments post anti-smoking signs.


Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:31 pm 
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What about the KL? Are they complying?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:06 pm 
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This is going to be really interesting. Certainly one of the most controversial things that has happened in SJ/ CR for decades. It certainly changes the living habits not only a number of the locals but x-pats as well. A country that is partially dependent on the tourist business with an international draw is taking a chance by not allowing some casinos or bars to have designated smoking areas. It would not be terribly difficult to enclose a certain area for smokers with separate ventilation. Whether you smoke or not, many of you will witness the changes in monger and travel expectations.

My guess is that CR was not ready for this. Yeah...a lot of us hate cig smoke even if you smoke but we as mongers will always gather at bars and parlors. Somehow this smoking ban gets in the way. Mongers seem to not worry as much about STD's and all the other vile things associated with whore sex. Lord help some one smoking at the bar now.

It is really kind of strange about our priorities.

As I said before....watch your visitor freedoms in third world countries erode slowly. You may be back to chasing those deplorable gringas. OUCH.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Circus, I have certainly enjoyed your posts over the years and normally find them right on the mark. That being said I feel you have missed badly on this one.

Circus wrote:
Perhaps the single most Controversial thing that has happened in SJ/ CR for decades.


Have you forgotten CAFTA, the "new transit law" with its draconian fines and camera enforcement of speeding, the mandatory jail sentence for a blood alcohol level over .075, the current proposal to change to a VAT of 14% as well as broaden the list of goods and services that would be taxed, etc? These are the things that had Ticos take to the streets not the regulation of smoking in public places.

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It certainly changes the living habits of millions plus inhabitants


With a total population, men, women & Ch*ldren of about 4.5 million it is hard to imagine a smoking population of “millions plus" :lol:

Seriously as far as the no-smoking law I have read and heard more about that on CRT then in the press or on the streets of Costa Rica as it seems to be a non-issue here. Many expats who live here are retired and while they might have been smokers at an earlier time in their life they have "kicked the habit" and actually welcome the law. Many Ticos are "social smokers" who might have one cigarette occasionally and they are not upset with the ban. Rarely do I see a tico walking about smoking a cigarette. I do not believe smoking is anywhere near an issue in Costa Rica as it is the states and do not believe that changing the law to curb smoking is going to cause more than a very tiny blip on the radar of Costa Rica life.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:39 am 
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Yo Irish Drifter:

We can agree to disagree. The point I was making is not so much the ban in smoking but that it is the tip of an iceberg in further eroding rights to citizens and travelers in CR. Yeah, I was incorrect using the term "millions".....should have been termed differently.

The points you made about CAFTA and VAT were indeed correct. But, add the smoking ban and we begin to see how the current government is changing the way many travelers will view the lure of coming to CR. Do you honestly think that prostitution will not be on the chopping bock near in the future?

Not being a resident there...I have no say in the policies. I can gripe but that's all. I can only reflect some of the reasons that this site and it's predecessor brought many members to CR.

Times are ever changing....I certainly know after four decades of traveling there. With exception to a close friend and CRT friends, I have lost the desire to travel there. There are many other places to explore. Even at my old age.

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Why let facts get in the way of emotional arguments based upon drug addition- lets call it what is is. (sure that statement is going to get some reaction, but look at the research).

Speaking of research, f you take a quick scan of the actual research, (see google scholar and the most cited articles, or even look quickly at the abstracts of the overall body) smoking bans have little overall negative effect on the overall business climate of a geographic region (a few articles says it does, the vast majority says it does not). Fears about the loss of rights are usually overstated emotional arguments based upon fear. There will be women, wine and song in San Jose, just like there was before. Smokers still have the right to continue to smoke; they must merely step outside a door. The rights of one man stop where the right's of another man begin- funny how hard core smoking won't advocate for libertarian ethics around this issue, but do for most others. Hum, think the power of one of the most addictive substances might have something to do with it?

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Effective Monday 4/16, The HLH bar will be non-smoking per the new law. The Cigar room will continue to be available for cigar smoking in that it is a separately licensed business that does not serve food or alcohol. The hotel will continue to have smoking and non smoking rooms and there is an upstairs lounge area in the hotelwhere smoking is allowed.

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Bktuna wrote:
Effective Monday 4/16, The HLH bar will be non-smoking per the new law. The Cigar room will continue to be available for cigar smoking in that it is a separately licensed business that does not serve food or alcohol. The hotel will continue to have smoking and non smoking rooms and there is an upstairs lounge area in the hotelwhere smoking is allowed.



Great job Boyd :) - shows compromise is possible - wish other business and political subdivisions felt the same way


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Many Bars and lounges are loosing revenue in the states, some have closed. I know we are talking about a different Country but that's how it is effecting us here. Business owners who invested their life savings are losing it at least some. no statistics I could find yet just individual reports here and there.

Oh well I tend to adapt to anything and will adapt to this in some way. It helps not smoking cigs and only cigars.

WTG HLH that is a smart move no wonder you are successful where ever you go!

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[quote="Bktuna"]Effective Monday 4/16, The HLH bar will be non-smoking per the new law. The Cigar room will continue to be available for cigar smoking in that it is a separately licensed business that does not serve food or alcohol. The hotel will continue to have smoking and non smoking rooms and there is an upstairs lounge area in the hotelwhere smoking is allowed.[/quote]

Will the gentlemen who are not staying at the HLH have access to the upstairs lounge?

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Effective Monday 4/16, The HLH bar will be non-smoking per the new law.



Damn,

I can only drink, eat, gamble & Phuck there now.

It sure ain't gonna be the same!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:36 am 
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Has anyone considered a good air freshener or has these great inventions also been banned :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU97ktde ... re=related

I work in an industry that is very sensitive to any kind of censorship or prohibitionist that try and regulate common sense and responsibilities…

Who’s at fault and how did we get to this point? You may fault the end user who is unable to self regulate or have concerns for other individuals. You could fault the business owners that take no responsibility for consumers that may tolerate certain vices but when it comes to health issues are not given alternatives that would protect their rights of non-participations. Or you may want to fault the corporate pushers/pimps and place blame for addictive behaviors on them because their consumable products feels, taste, and looks so dam good and something that feels, taste, and looks so good cannot be all that bad for you…. Correct? :roll:

Here in Florida there has been smoking bans in place for a long while now, it hasn’t really had any economic depressions in the bars and restaurants. After the shock and awe was over everybody went back to doing what they do best …. Eat, Drink and be Merry!

By the way I'm a Non-smoker Cigs, but a JWB on the rocks garnished with a nice cigar is never off limits.

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The upstairs will be available to bar patrons

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Johnnie Black wrote:

Here in Florida there has been smoking bans in place for a long while now, it hasn’t really had any economic depressions in the bars and restaurants. After the shock and awe was over everybody went back to doing what they do best …. Eat, Drink and be Merry!



JB :twisted:

The smoking ban in Florida is only a partial ban--if a venue derives <10% of revenue from food, smoking is allowed. Also if a venue is not totally enclosed ("tiki hut" approach), smoking is allowed. In either case, most venue owners at least here in SWFl have huge ceiling fans and other devices to absorb/disperse smoke. For proof, drop in any tavern here in Cape Coma at Happy Hour.

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