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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:24 pm 
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Walmart is contributing to the downfall of small business. Granted they employ people, but to them an employee is just a number. No loyalty to the community they serve. Big corporations, big money. If you look at the overall picture they put people out of work. They cause whole downtown small businesses to close. They have no loyalty to what country the goods are made. They even control their suppliers telling them what they are going to get paid for a product. Walmart is a blight to local economy's. You say tax dollars, everyone pays taxes for goods they buy

Another thing too with the Walmart experience: Build a smaller Walmart say 20 minutes from your house, destroy the local businesses, then a few years down the road, "consolidate" a few smaller Walmarts into a regional SuperCenter. Now you have to drive 45 minutes to one with no reasonable alternatives.


What to you is a reasonable alternative? If some store can sell for less, let them and they will succeed. All this bile against Walmart is based on their stand against unionization. They don't like unions (nor do I), so their various mouth pieces do what ever they can to demonize the company because they sell stuff cheap. That is their crime. Tell me something, given your stance against companies that sell stuff cheap, when you buy gas for your car, do you seek out Mom & Pop or do you look for the best price, say 3.78 versus 4.01? for instance. I love a good debate. :D

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 3:11 pm 
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I still say that when the profit does not stay in the community it serves, it is a detriment to that community. I am also educated to your level . The only difference is I am not a corporate slave. I detest the stock market. It is a form of legalized gambling. There is no such thing as ethics in business anymore. I believe a CEO should at least be doing a good job and the company making a profit before getting millions in bonuses. Corporate greed. Note! I do not look for the cheapest gas, I patronize most of the small businesses in my community. No I did not do a study on walmart, but I have in depth knowledge on small business and the retail trade. The answer to putting people back to work is dealing with China trade and the elimination of outsourcing our jobs to other countries.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:40 pm 
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Mr. 59Vette:

So....(for the purposes of a good discussion only....)

Quit outsourcing to China. Maybe put a tariff on the goods. End result...those in the US who can least afford price hikes get them on nearly everything.

Walmart puts Moms & Pops out of business. Okay, there's a lot of truth to that. But in the end Walmart didn't do it, the customers did. THEY would rather have cheaper products than better service. THEIR decisions, so why blame Walmart? Oh, I see.....disregard the consumers who have chosen Walmart all over the country and FORCE them (via tariffs or prohibing the construction of new Walmarts) to spend more and support the Moms & Pops? Makes sense to me.... (sarcasm).


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BTW - I LOVE the stock market; made LOTS of money with it. Sit on my ass, pay attention & buy & sell. Those who think it's gambling forget the "pay attention" and "think" parts. And in the end that "corporate greed" has made me a lot of money as a shareholder.

And there's simple ways to put people back to work - newer, better products or lower cost of manufacturing. Problem is, most Americans are overpaid (relative to the rest of the world). So which would you rather give up - say an 80% reduction in wages to become competitive with China or some of our jobs until we get our collective acts together? You can't have everything.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:17 pm 
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I still say that when the profit does not stay in the community it serves, it is a detriment to that community. I am also educated to your level . The only difference is I am not a corporate slave. I detest the stock market. It is a form of legalized gambling. There is no such thing as ethics in business anymore. I believe a CEO should at least be doing a good job and the company making a profit before getting millions in bonuses. Corporate greed. Note! I do not look for the cheapest gas, I patronize most of the small businesses in my community. No I did not do a study on walmart, but I have in depth knowledge on small business and the retail trade. The answer to putting people back to work is dealing with China trade and the elimination of outsourcing our jobs to other countries.


You make little more than gross over generalizations, but since you want to continue them, here is one for you: I notice people who always advocate what it makes no economic sense to do either don't understand basic economics or they don't understand basic human nature. Corporate Slave? Yeah, I have a right to work for my current employer or work for any other employer so what exactly in that makes me a slave; my 120k pay? My benefits? You go ahead and detest the stock market; invest in Mom & Pop and see where that gets you. If you have indepth knowledge of small business you have shown no evidence of it up to this point. Here is a concrete truth that is not generalization; Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty than any other economic system known to man. :D

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:22 pm 
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Mr. 59Vette:

So....(for the purposes of a good discussion only....)

Quit outsourcing to China. Maybe put a tariff on the goods. End result...those in the US who can least afford price hikes get them on nearly everything.

Walmart puts Moms & Pops out of business. Okay, there's a lot of truth to that. But in the end Walmart didn't do it, the customers did. THEY would rather have cheaper products than better service. THEIR decisions, so why blame Walmart? Oh, I see.....disregard the consumers who have chosen Walmart all over the country and FORCE them (via tariffs or prohibing the construction of new Walmarts) to spend more and support the Moms & Pops? Makes sense to me.... (sarcasm).


/dddick


BTW - I LOVE the stock market; made LOTS of money with it. Sit on my ass, pay attention & buy & sell. Those who think it's gambling forget the "pay attention" and "think" parts. And in the end that "corporate greed" has made me a lot of money as a shareholder.

And there's simple ways to put people back to work - newer, better products or lower cost of manufacturing. Problem is, most Americans are overpaid (relative to the rest of the world). So which would you rather give up - say an 80% reduction in wages to become competitive with China or some of our jobs until we get our collective acts together? You can't have everything.




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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:44 pm 
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Are you overpaid or underpaid that is a good question. Are you productive to the point you are an asset to the company. Being a small businessman that is easy to answer.,but working for a large corporation it is not as easy. Accounting and common sense seems to evade big corporations. 120k and benefits may be too much or too little do not know your job or what it entails. In small business the economy dictates, flexibility and diversity. Yes I have made as little as 120k in a year an less. That is what is so good about small business, it is what you make it.


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:26 pm 
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"taxes as they are taxed in the U.S. to the tune of 35%; "

If Wal-Mart is paying 35% they sure have some stupid dumb ass - I away pay in advance before we get in the cab- accountants !

Corp tax is a joke as it stands today. No farce is better word. But doing away with it would only create a large group of unemployed accountants. If , not when,Corp tax comes in the money is more like a donation then any thing else. Form a corp, get the right accountant . and never pay a penny again. The ability to be creative in a corp. fiances only depends on the integrity of the account crunching the numbers and nothing more.

Every thing discussed here on both sides has merit to talk about, but do not use Corp Tax as reason pro or con.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:06 pm 
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Comment about sittin on their ass and making money is one problem with our country. Government employees do it, Corporate America does it . The Government giveaway programs encourage people to sit on their asses. 80% percent pay cut is nothing if you do not have a paying job. I am nobody's fool. I am fully aware how the system works. Bailout's for insolvent companies is bullshit. Let them fail, lets see how stockholders react to that. I do invest in property and have been very successful. At least I control my destiny, not some corporate CEO that is looking out for himself only.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:10 am 
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59Vette wrote:
.... Bailout's for insolvent companies is bullshit. Let them fail, lets see how stockholders react to that.



At least we agree on this point. I lost more than $20,000 when GM was nationalized (I bought the stock a few months earlier, expecting a turnaround). Thankfully my investment in Ford much more than made up for the GM debacle. Gotta love the free-enterprise system & the stock market!

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:20 am 
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I still say that when the profit does not stay in the community it serves, it is a detriment to that community. I am also educated to your level . The only difference is I am not a corporate slave. I detest the stock market. It is a form of legalized gambling. There is no such thing as ethics in business anymore. I believe a CEO should at least be doing a good job and the company making a profit before getting millions in bonuses. Corporate greed. Note! I do not look for the cheapest gas, I patronize most of the small businesses in my community. No I did not do a study on walmart, but I have in depth knowledge on small business and the retail trade. The answer to putting people back to work is dealing with China trade and the elimination of outsourcing our jobs to other countries.


You make little more than gross over generalizations, but since you want to continue them, here is one for you: I notice people who always advocate what it makes no economic sense to do either don't understand basic economics or they don't understand basic human nature. Corporate Slave? Yeah, I have a right to work for my current employer or work for any other employer so what exactly in that makes me a slave; my 120k pay? My benefits? You go ahead and detest the stock market; invest in Mom & Pop and see where that gets you. If you have indepth knowledge of small business you have shown no evidence of it up to this point. Here is a concrete truth that is not generalization; Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty than any other economic system known to man. :D


Funny how some people say others are making gross over generalizations, then they proceed to do the same thing. Cracks me up every time :lol: Even when I do it. :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:55 am 
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Walmart must be reading these post . Funny thing just received Email from walmart to register for $ 250.00 gift. Somethings fishy about that. I have never received any correspondence before this post. Conspiracy?



No, likely Bullshit - be careful; in fact, I would delete it; you could look it up on SNOPES or call WalMart - sounds too much like other scams I've read about - but think about it - when was the last time a complete stranger offered to give you money - in my 56 years, speaking for a constituency of one - NEVER!


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:31 pm 
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Mr. Scuba:

PM me when you'll be in town & I'll try to coordinate my monthly visit. We've never met (you're a stranger to me) & when we meet I'll give you a dollar, just to be the only time in your life..... No big deal, it'll be from some of the profits I made in the stock market this year....

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:05 pm 
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Dan D Dick wrote:
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PM me when you'll be in town & I'll try to coordinate my monthly visit. We've never met (you're a stranger to me) & when we meet I'll give you a dollar, just to be the only time in your life..... No big deal, it'll be from some of the profits I made in the stock market this year....

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Like a phucking dollar is going to negate the post; it stands - Walmart is a BS offer like the one thats been on the internet for years about the founder of Microsoft (Bill Gates) "giving" money away - you have a tendency to post shit, then say "no flame" or "serious offer" -

I'm glad you are doing so well that you can afford to give away a dollar - since I'm not exactly a pauper, I'll pass on your generosity - give it to the "one coin" jerk; he needs your charity, I don't.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:20 pm 
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I have my own strong views and am not shy about expressing them believe me but isn't it time for the above discussions to migrate to the Chat section or elsewhere here?

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:36 pm 
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Jazz - All I did was respond to 2 posts Dan made, concerning my posts - that's all - I'm not looking for flame wars, but when you say something I consider out of line, I'm gonna respond. And I ignored the previous post he made in another section; did not think it was worthy of a response.

Don't know why this guy thinks he can bust my balls, but pick someone else. And candidly, neither his posts or my response was that bad.

And my response was in direct reponse to his post; read his again, and tell me who might be out of line.


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