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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:10 am 
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I knew there would would be much propaganda on both sides as we are seeing. I am now certain of the sudden need to dredge the river and cause such a stir in the Western hemisphere at a time when many countries in latin america now have presidents with leftist leanings.

Nicaragua and its President Ortega have been planning this move for quite sometime. Maybe since the first discrepencies over the river hundreds of years ago. The plan. A channel not to rival the famous Panama Canal but something in fact better. Your own coast to coast superhighway on the San Juan river that borders Costa Rica and Nicaragua.

You can gain funds from import / export taxes and various shipping freighting charges the nicaraguans stand to make. By the way foregoing ever having to use the Panama Canal or the Limon freight Terminal in the future! Ditto!

This is going to be going on when we are dead and gone. They will never get this worked out. Even after they complete the dredgeing there will be issues over navigations, permitting, land disputes on both sides of the river along the entire length of the river. Costa Rica will never concede although often outmanuevered on and beaten to the punch on the issue in recent weeks.

Why did Ortega wait until a female was in office?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:46 pm 
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I knew there would would be much propaganda on both sides as we are seeing. I am now certain of the sudden need to dredge the river and cause such a stir in the Western hemisphere at a time when many countries in latin america now have presidents with leftist leanings.

Nicaragua and its President Ortega have been planning this move for quite sometime. Maybe since the first discrepencies over the river hundreds of years ago. The plan. A channel not to rival the famous Panama Canal but something in fact better. Your own coast to coast superhighway on the San Juan river that borders Costa Rica and Nicaragua.

You can gain funds from import / export taxes and various shipping freighting charges the nicaraguans stand to make. By the way foregoing ever having to use the Panama Canal or the Limon freight Terminal in the future! Ditto!

This is going to be going on when we are dead and gone. They will never get this worked out. Even after they complete the dredgeing there will be issues over navigations, permitting, land disputes on both sides of the river along the entire length of the river. Costa Rica will never concede although often outmanuevered on and beaten to the punch on the issue in recent weeks.

Why did Ortega wait until a female was in office?


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I agree with you 100% on this. Before Panama the US actually looked at Nicaragua first to build the canal.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:52 pm 
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50strokes wrote:
I knew there would would be much propaganda on both sides as we are seeing. I am now certain of the sudden need to dredge the river and cause such a stir in the Western hemisphere at a time when many countries in latin america now have presidents with leftist leanings.

Nicaragua and its President Ortega have been planning this move for quite sometime. Maybe since the first discrepencies over the river hundreds of years ago. The plan. A channel not to rival the famous Panama Canal but something in fact better. Your own coast to coast superhighway on the San Juan river that borders Costa Rica and Nicaragua.

You can gain funds from import / export taxes and various shipping freighting charges the nicaraguans stand to make. By the way foregoing ever having to use the Panama Canal or the Limon freight Terminal in the future! Ditto!

This is going to be going on when we are dead and gone. They will never get this worked out. Even after they complete the dredgeing there will be issues over navigations, permitting, land disputes on both sides of the river along the entire length of the river. Costa Rica will never concede although often outmanuevered on and beaten to the punch on the issue in recent weeks.

Why did Ortega wait until a female was in office?


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I agree with you 100% on this. Before Panama the US actually looked at Nicaragua first to build the canal.


Agree with both Brothers's Posts. NicaLand would have been a much better route for a canal than Panama for a big bunch of reasons, and there were bitter disputes in Congress about which route should prevail. What got the Nicaraguan-faction and that route discredited was a (drumroll please)...postage stamp...that the Nicaraguan' themselves issued. It showed a view of the probable route (cutting across a lake) with an active volcano in the immediate background. Killed the effort dead. Boom. It gets deeper but I won't bore you.
It would not amaze me if this project got underway again with the Chinese financing and building--it would get Chinese exports onto East Coast docks a day sooner and thus cheaper, but also give all shippers a faster, doubtless way wider--the Panama Canal's biggest drawback--,more modern way to move goods. And the cruise industry would love it, especially on repositioning cruises. Win win.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:35 am 
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The ownership and rights to the use of the Río San Juan have long been a bone of contention between Nicaragua and Costa Rica. In 2009, the question went before the International Court of Justice, based in The Hague, which ruled that although the river belongs to Nicaragua, Costa Rica is allowed to navigate it freely (TT, July 13 2009). In July, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega announced plans to dredge the river, which will widen and deepen it. In September, Costa Rican Foreign Minister René Castro gave approval for Nicaragua to dredge the Río San Juan “as long as it does not cause damage in Costa Rican territory, [nor] can it affect Costa Rica's right of navigation on the San Juan or its tributaries such as the Río Colorado.”


This is almost as good as a lesson in third world politics! business as usual.

where are the Chinese now? when we need them most? should be about 600 of them available for inscription soon!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:25 am 
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It would not amaze me if this project got underway again with the Chinese financing and building--it would get Chinese exports onto East Coast docks a day sooner and thus cheaper, but also give all shippers a faster, doubtless way wider--the Panama Canal's biggest drawback--,more modern way to move goods. And the cruise industry would love it, especially on repositioning cruises. Win win.


The Chinese are heavily involved in financing the Panama Canal it would not be on their best interest to finance a competitive canal. "Word on the street" is that the CIA and Israeli Mossad claim the financing is from Iran and Venezuela.

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JazzboCR wrote:

It would not amaze me if this project got underway again with the Chinese financing and building--it would get Chinese exports onto East Coast docks a day sooner and thus cheaper, but also give all shippers a faster, doubtless way wider--the Panama Canal's biggest drawback--,more modern way to move goods. And the cruise industry would love it, especially on repositioning cruises. Win win.


The Chinese are heavily involved in financing the Panama Canal it would not be on their best interest to finance a competitive canal. "Word on the street" is that the CIA and Israeli Mossad claim the financing is from Iran and Venezuela.


You are correct Sir!

Here is a link that details that link:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/internation ... l-1.324173

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:28 pm 
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This issue was on the evening news here all last week. The video showed 5 Nicaraguan soldiers at a tiny camp with Nicaraguan flag.

Normally the news is one car wreck, one OIJ pulling the front door off a shack with a chain, one body found, and then sports.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:49 pm 
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and the drama continues. :shock: :lol:

Nicaragua digs mini channel to bring river to sea
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff


Late word from northern Costa Rica reports that Nicaraguan workers have dug a small ditch from a bend in the Río San Juan to the Caribbean coast in Costa Rican territory.

The ditch is just two or three shovelfuls wide, but local observers expect the hydraulic power of the river to blow out a new river mouth during the late November and December rainy season there.

Nicaragua is expected to claim the land north of the river once the new channel creates itself. International treaties set the international boundary at the south bank of the river.

Residents in the area have had experience before with the power of the Río San Juan and the Río Colorado. A small opening is enough for the force of the water to enlarge a channel dozens of feet wide and dozens of feet deep. The reports said that the ditch was dug where Nicaragua workers had cut down trees several weeks ago.

There was no report from Costa Rica, which is believed to have the area under observation.

The work appears to have been going on while the complaint of Costa Rica was being considered in the Permanent Council of the Organization of American States. That body met today but there was no resolution to Costa Rica's complaint that Nicaragua had invaded Costa Rican land.

Nicaragua, perhaps with the help of other countries, is attempting to improve access to the river. An Israeli newspaper said that Venezuela and Iran are helping in an effort to create a transoceanic canal to rival the one in Panamá.

Costa Rica, which does not have an army, has declined to confront the Nicaraguan invaders and has taken the case to the hemispheric body.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:59 pm 
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nicarica aint far away amigos..three days to take power... a week to begin raping and pillaging ...the only thing slowing them down will be the immense migration of ticos fleeing this shithole for panama
With the U.S. Navy patrolling a few hours away and the U.S. military already down in Panama- ain't gonna happen, no how- no way!. This is a strictly local play by Ortega to help him in the election. Chavez will shit a brick if there is any escalation that will greenlight the U.S. to come into the area en force- he'll clamp down on Ortega before the U.S. even has a chance to.


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nicarica aint far away amigos..three days to take power... a week to begin raping and pillaging ...the only thing slowing them down will be the immense migration of ticos fleeing this shithole for panama
With the U.S. Navy patrolling a few hours away and the U.S. military already down in Panama- ain't gonna happen, no how- no way!. This is a strictly local play by Ortega to help him in the election. Chavez will shit a brick if there is any escalation that will greenlight the U.S. to come into the area en force- he'll clamp down on Ortega before the U.S. even has a chance to.


I agree, it's not gonna happen unless they make a very bad decision.

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Don't bet the farm on it, China launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the coast of Los Angeles. The Pentagon and their lackeys in the media insult the American people by saying it was a passenger jet. :roll: This missile was fired on the eve of Obama’s trip to the G-20 Summit. Hell it's even on CNN...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517867? ... s%2Flatest


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They need us and we need them so we can keep buying there cheap Chinese crap.

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Don't bet the farm on it, China launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the coast of Los Angeles. The Pentagon and their lackeys in the media insult the American people by saying it was a passenger jet. :roll: This missile was fired on the eve of Obama’s trip to the G-20 Summit. Hell it's even on CNN...
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517867? ... s%2Flatest
China is super heavily invested in the Panama Canal and needs the U.S. consumer to keep their economy from collapsing. Even if they wanted to side with the Nica's, all those Socialist block economies are all horrible performers. I read your link and based on the article and the comments below it seems unlikely to be China but more likely North Korea or most likely of all an accidental launch on the part of the U.S. that they are trying to cover up.


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Strange as these 2 countries seemed yoked together, I can see serious traction with Brother ID's quote on Venezuela and Iran hooking up to build a new new Trans-CA Canal. Talkin' about taking on a serious world player (China)! Audacious move by both to be Tier-1 players.

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