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Should chicas be "allowed" to play in our sandbox?
[b]HELL NO![/b] 25%  25%  [ 15 ]
Probably not, but what can you really do about it 25%  25%  [ 15 ]
I don't really care that much one way or the other 15%  15%  [ 9 ]
It could be interesting 31%  31%  [ 19 ]
I don't think any of them really come here anyway 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:46 pm 
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As many of you know, I sometimes like to stir up a little shit. This topic came up in a recent thread, as it does periodically. Do any chicas read our posts?

I'm not sure what sort of response if any this will get (I'm sure you guys will have plenty to say and I think I know what it is), but. if there are any chicas out there, I'd be curious to hear from them. Now guys, relax. I'm not necessarily inviting any chicas to join this board (though I have mixed feelings on how bad that would be). I'm only asking any chica members already lurking out there and reading these words to come out of the closet and let your presence be known.

Several things could happen. First, if our fears of a female presence are unfounded and there really aren't any out there, none will post. Call this a true negative. Or, there may be some female members but they will prefer to continue to lurk or for some other reason not choose not to reveal themselves by replying to this thread. Call that a false negative. Unfortunately, we won't know which is the case and the mystery will continue. Here's where the possibilities really gets more interesting. Some guy could post pretending to be a chica creating a real firestorm of reactions (a false positive), but I genuinely hope no one tries this. Or, finally, it could be that we, in fact, have some heretofore hidden chica members and they reveal themselves thereby resolving the question of whether they exist and but heightening the issue of what if anything to do about it.

What if that does happen? To the best of my knowledge, there currently are no rules against chica members. If a chica posts there may be some call to institute such a rule or at the very least ban the "offending" party. But ultimately there would be nothing from stopping that chica from rejoining under a new handle and not revealing her gender the next time around.

What would be so bad about having chica members? Personally, I always say whats on my mind and I wouldn't have any problem saying directly to any chica anything that I say here. BUT I readily understand why other guys would have a SERIOUS problem with it. OTOH, it might be very interesting to at least have a section where chicas could post and we could hear their points of view and their reactions to some of things we talk about here. Just playing the devil's advocate for a second.

I'd like to hear from any chica members IF they're already out there, but I don't really expect that we will. Failing that, I'd like to hear the views of other guys on this subject.

Frankly, I'd have a MUCH bigger problem with the idea that there were any GRINGA members here... But that would be the subject of a whole 'nother thread.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:01 am 
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I checked the second choice but now not so sure as I also think it would be interesting to know.My guess is that most are just lurking but I feel certian at least that is happening.I am not particularly worried about who knows where I go and what I do.I have no bosses at the moment and like to that way.I would just as soon Gringas wren't reading the forum but not much control over that either.rbc100

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:02 am 
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A exercise in logic, eh?

If a TICA posts I think her syntax will give her away if she tries to be a gringo.
Of course a gringo could probably impersonate a TICA, and fool the gringos.

Will a TICA post? I bet no. I think they look for pictures.

Alll our comments must seem remakably similar to them.

The exception would be celebrities (those known to the girls by the CRT handle). The TICAS would probably pay more attention if they knew someone involved in the post.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:10 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:30 am 
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Prolijo wrote:
What if that does happen? To the best of my knowledge, there currently are no rules against chica members. If a chica posts there may be some call to institute such a rule or at the very least ban the "offending" party.


I'm torn because a part of me doesn't really care one way or another about what is said here (by me or anyone else), I just have that tiny, itching worry in the back of my head of having something I said or posted bite me in the ass on a future visit.

No, there may not be an EXPLICIT rule outlawing women from the forum, but this is a Gentlemen's Forum, and just as there is no need to a woman to go see a urologist, there's no need for them to visit and intrude on a place catered strictly to men.

Once again, I'm torn, because, for example, this forum and the postings do us a GREAT service with the chicas at ZB. Management is receptive to our complaints/compliments and thus this becomes a medium for quality control. I just don't think that the DR/KL chicas will be as positive to the notion of us talking about negotiating skills, and who's bad/good, etc. I think many would be even less receptive to their photos all over our VIP section (which is a polar opposite the the chicas as ZB).

Whatever, I'm new enough to the game where no one really knows who I am. And those gentlemen that the chicas DO know, as well as the seasoned veterans, seem to be more conservative/discreet on the info the put out on the public posts. So in the end, I guess it doesn't really hurt anyone one way or another.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:42 am 
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I haven't voted yet. I'm still not sure which way I would. But I am surprised how evenly the voting is going so far. I was expecting a much more lopsided result.

There are already some very interesting comments. I agree it would be easy to spot a chica posting as a gringo, but not so much the other way around. However, my hope is not that a lurking chica post as a gringo but that she comes out for who she really is.

I agree with those that say they don't think it will happen. There may or may not be any here, but if they are they'd probably prefer to lurk because:
a) their usual language skills prevent them from very easily posting as either disguised as a gringo or openly as a chica (of course those same language difficulties probably also discourage them from reading and lurking here as well)
b) they come here to lurk and learn and don't want to reveal their presence with any certainty and bring down any heat
c) they're mainly concerned as Buzz says in whether anyone is posting unauthorized photos of them and don't really check out these sections

If they actually did post, Buzz raised some very interesting points, some of which I agree with and some I don't.
a) in some ways their views would surely be very much like a gringas in their sympathetic view of the DR girl as victim, but I don't think they would share the gringa moralistic views of this hobby
b) I'm not 100% sure how anything we reveal here would help their skills at our expense, although it might be possible. I mean, so what if they read "No CIEN" from us, they already hear that from us anyway. Maybe if they hear what we look for in a GFE, they will learn how to better provide it. And maybe if we hear their viewpoints and understand it better it will help us with them.
c) OTOH, Buzz has a very valid point that any chica that does respond would probably not be all that representative of most chicas down there. That would seriously limit her usefulness as a way to learn about the typical chica.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:56 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:17 am 
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I will vote by selecting two choices:

Hell No, but the reality is that the chicas can get access one way or the other...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:43 am 
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I really don't think that any of them would spend the dinero to be a VIP. They might punch us up on a free computer that is available, but I doubt they could stay on it long enough to see much.
Most likely, they would get some poor excuse for a VIP to show the the picture gallery. I doubt they have much interest in what we have to say. Their network is much faster than ours. They would not learn much from us.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:18 am 
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I posted a "probably not, but what can you do about it." I'm not in favor of having the chicas on the board. Not even for having their own section. They live the game day to day. Their network is much faster and stronger than ours will ever be. Case in point, I went to Costa Rica last December when I was supposed to be in the Dominican Republic. I was busted out being in the Del Rey WHILE I was in the Del Rey. Our information is, at times dated.

Do I think the chicas know about this site? Hell yes. No question about it. When the girls at ZB or Kamur get photographed for Tica of the Month, do they question where the photo is going to posted? I assume the Admins tell them, "You are the Tica of the Month for our website." When you go to ZB and you hand the sweetie your VIP card it says....at the top, www.costaricaticas.com. I myself am an internet junkie, I'd log on just to see what it was all about. How many CRT members would concur that Ticas like to talk? "Hey Rosa, they say you are a lousy lay..ha ha." I can actually picture this happening.

I never tell a chica my CRT name. Not even the Dominican girl knows my internet name. Nor the name of the site. Therefore, if in fact they are lurking they wouldn't know me from the next guy. Although on very rare occasion (the stars would really have to be aligned) I suppose if you gave such a detailed trip report, a girl may figure you out. But, that particular girl would have to be reading the site. With a DR/KL/Kamur girl..doubtful this will happen. With a ZB girl..maybe. They aren't always busy and have the terminal right there in the lounge. And, they are a highly preferred establishment.

Bottom line, I hope they are not on the site but if they are nothing we can do about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:32 pm 
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Personally I think encouraging chica participation would change the nature and intention of this board. Better to have interaction with THEM in other forums. And as has been expressed, there are obvious barriers to their participation in language use and writing skills. So while it is an interesting question or scenario, I think it highly unlikely, and personally I dont care to sort through a bunch of girly posts or comments about OUR commentary. That would be like discussing these issue with my EX wife :shock: .


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:23 pm 
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Tman wrote:
Personally I think encouraging chica participation would change the nature and intention of this board. Better to have interaction with THEM in other forums. And as has been expressed, there are obvious barriers to their participation in language use and writing skills. So while it is an interesting question or scenario, I think it highly unlikely, and personally I dont care to sort through a bunch of girly posts or comments about OUR commentary. That would be like discussing these issue with my EX wife :shock: .



I could not have said it betyer myself.....Tman hit it right on the head.

I would rather not have to banter through a bunch of Girly posts on this board, even though the language barrrier is an issue, If they are smart (not saying they are but,) there are plenty of free translation sites out there that if the girls really wanted to know what we are saying they could find out easy enough.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:13 pm 
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First let me say that I realize that the tica culture is quite different than what I present below but it's another way of looking at the issue.

I have been (though currently on leave) the webmaster on a Seattle board for several years, http://www.thereviewboard.net where providers and hobbiests both participate. We have found it to be a very worthwhile resource. It has given the providers the oppertunity to see what we expect of them and adjust the quality of their service accordingly. It has virtually eliminated the provider rip off and has created a true provider/hobbiest community. Take a look and see what you think. It's a very active site.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:22 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:04 pm 
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Maybe the chicas should have their own site to post their experiences with us gringos. Maybe a site something like www.costaricagringos.com - oops, there's already a site out there called that. :lol:


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