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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:10 am 
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Title says it all. I'm reading AMCostaRica and got me thinking about so many articles read in English and Spanish sources. There is no law here and when there is it is misplaced and will bite you in the ass. Friday I read of 3 bank robbers caught red handed and the judge let them go to await trial. Reading about property issues and everybody knows corruption is going on. Ok, blah, blah, blah... I know this, understand this and take care of myself. Meaning I stay out of trouble, don't have issues with people and pretty much stay away from anything doing with the law. It just makes me laugh how it is always being discussed about doing this and doing that and nothing ever happens or gets better. This is a country who refuses to lay down the law to the people living here. Always an excuse. I can live with that, just don't see the reason to pretend....


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:05 am 
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Not so much that there is no law but that there is no respect for or belief in the RULE OF LAW. There is no confidence that that the law will protect you or that justice to be served. It's a little better in the US but still FAR from perfect.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:09 am 
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Good correction PR, there is law. Just not applied very much. Basically, you have to have a video tape and 25 witnesses to a crime to convict it seems. And the domestic violence law is funny. I have known several cases where a violent abuser is never punished, but always a problem with meek, law abiding guys when the woman files against them. I've just accepted the fact and as said, keep as far away from trouble and bad situations as possible...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:13 am 
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What Costa Rica needs right now is a hero. Someone like STEVEN SEGAL!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:17 am 
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As long as he brings Chuck Norris with him 8ball. 8)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:25 am 
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Good correction PR, there is law. Just not applied very much. Basically, you have to have a video tape and 25 witnesses to a crime to convict it seems. And the domestic violence law is funny. I have known several cases where a violent abuser is never punished, but always a problem with meek, law abiding guys when the woman files against them. I've just accepted the fact and as said, keep as far away from trouble and bad situations as possible...


Good advice. And I think its important for any travellers to Costa Rica and any other latin american country to realize that there is also no equal protection under the law. A big mistake ASSUME the law or the police will protect you the same as if you were a citizen of the country.

Case in point...

Recently on ISOC a member relayed the story about how he got the shit kicked out of him by a bouncer in a Sosua nightclub. He posted pics of his face and it looked like he was roughed up pretty bad. The whole process of presseing charges against the bouncer and throwing him in in jail was so cumbersome that it just wasn't worth it... even though it was clear that an assault took place and who was the perpetrator. Now if it was the other way around, gringo on dominican violence what do you think would have happened? Gringo would have been locked up immediatyely in the squalor of a dominican prison and his ability to leave the country denied, and his passport would have been held hostage until he paid some big big bucks.

We just have to accept these things. We cannot change them. Best to operate under the radar and avoid trouble as you suggest.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:22 pm 
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But then there's the case a couple years ago of the seventy year old ex-marine who disarmed and killed a knife wielding robber on a Limón tour bus. Police pretty much just asked if he was o.k. and wished him a pleasant voyage for the rest of his cruise.
You just never know.
Nevertheless, Thirdworld's advice is 100% correct. "Keep as far away from trouble and bad situations as possible..."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:42 pm 
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You know what I've always wondered El Tranquilo? If that incident would have turned out the same with the law if he was 45?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:13 pm 
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It also helped that the guy he killed apparently had been a thorn in the side of the police for awhile and they were just as glad to be rid of him. :mrgreen:

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This Thread is another demonstration between the Napoleonic Code countries (most of Latin America) and the English Common Law system the US (except Louisiana) uses. Essential difference: Napoleonic is case-based; English is precedence-based. Much easier to pervert or abuse the process in Nap. Code countries because only the facts in that case need be considered and no past cases are necessarily citeable. In a precedence-based system, past on-point cases are crucial. So we see it's much tougher to get bad decisions overturned or ignored in the English system but overall it's much fairer, and appeals to decisions handed down can only proceed on a bad-trial basis, not on re-arguing facts even if new facts turn up in the appeals process.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:55 pm 
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Following is a cut and past of a letter to the editor of AM Costa Rica. I wrote it over a year ago.

Since then, the house I lived in was broken into by armed bandits, my neighbor was shot at in a Mas o Menos while waiting to pay his cable bill and a couple of friends report getting mugged. No arrests!

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Dear A.M. Costa Rica:

Regarding crime in Costa Rica:

It's too late. The horse is out of the barn. The sucking sound you hear is the black hole of crime and danger that is rapidly consuming the individual's right to live in peace and safety.

The "teeter totter" has tipped and no one is on the high side to restore balance to the society. It's supposed to be about human rights, not criminal's rights!

Any middle school civics student knows what happens when the government fails to act responsibly and in it's citizens best and basic interest:

Impunity prevails in Costa Rica:

Impunity means "exemption from punishment or loss". It refers to the failure to bring perpetrators to justice. It constitutes a denial of the victims' right to justice and redress. Impunity is especially common in countries that lack a tradition of the rule of law, suffer from corruption or that have entrenched systems of patronage, or where the judiciary is weak or members of the security forces are protected by special jurisdictions or immunities.

"Impunity arises from a failure by states to meet their obligations to investigate violations; to take appropriate measures in respect of the perpetrators, particularly in the area of justice, by ensuring that those suspected of criminal responsibility are prosecuted, tried and duly punished; to provide victims with effective remedies and to ensure that they receive reparation for the injuries suffered; to ensure the inalienable right to know the truth about violations; and to take other necessary steps to prevent a recurrence of violations."


When Don Oscar and his fellow peaceniks finish studying Civics 101 they should stay after school and google "Anarchy," because that's the next social disorder in store for Costa Rica.

A ninth grade history course might be of value too. Nero fiddled while Rome burned. The Costa Rican government passed new and "not worth the paper they are written on" laws.

The Nobel Prize people should add an asterisk next to Senor Arias' prize with a footnote,"he later went on to sit on his hands while his country destroyed itself from within." Don't bother closing the barn door. It's too late! Anyone with any sense is already gone or making plans to flee.

The vigilantes have already entered the void created by government failure. San José now has handicap access to it's pensiones, everyone has nice clean T shirts and the marching bands have new found purpose. Good work, Señor Presidente.

Robert Rutgers Venhuizen
Former resident of Lourdes, Montes de Oca, where everyone lived in fear.

Currently residing in Medellin, Colombia, where the words "law and order" mean something!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:13 am 
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8ball wrote:
What Costa Rica needs right now is a hero. Someone like STEVEN SEGAL!

ROFLMAO!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:19 am 
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I was thinking of somebody along the lines of Buford Pusser (Walking Tall), not least for that swell last name.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:36 am 
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CR is a walk in the park compared to Chicago.
we've had 3 cops gunned down in the last month.
it's like the frickin wild west.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:25 am 
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Chuck Norris could stop all crime, do away with all chica fees and lower drink prices, single handedly in two days. :lol:

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