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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:44 pm 
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....may say that it almost never happens, but I have seen many, many people hon their skills and achieve it. So, it is not a FACT, only his perception...


Perhaps, and even more so perhaps not. Let us turn to some words from Aldous Huxley:

"There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception." and, as well, "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."

"Girl Friend Experience" means a human, non-fiduciary experience in my world and that's the most important world there is...what we practice in the p4p arena is a far cry from being GIVEN a piece as a sharing, symbiotic moment in time.

Hank Daman states he's seen, many times, individuals achieving a {validating, self-actualizing moment}Girl Friend Experience with a bird of the night. I assert what he's seen is a projection of what's desired....not what is actually achieved and easily seen once the rose colored glasses are removed. Once upon a time I harbored the illusion that I could purchase the illusion of intimacy with money or other property. I could not finger (pardon the image) what that hollow feeling was all about or where it was coming from until I finally elected to take a cold, hard look at what's what.

I KNOW I have experienced moments of MIGHTY LOVE/INTIMACY. I don't know why they haven't been enough because it's my view that the vast majority live lives of quiet desperation which does not include "...moments of mighty love...." despite the fact they'll say they've been married 40 years and are "happy". Poppycock. I fooled myself into believing that I could purchase that illusion within the p4p scene for a time. I'm glad I no longer fool myself and know such an experience is not purchaseable. p4p is all about the ducats; dumb luck (in choice....."Man she looks fine. Fuucks like a twit though" vs "Well....it was almost like she was giving me a piece and enjoying it.....and she had a great body...." (Yeah, but what did she look like??) "Man, to be honest, had I not been boozed up, I wouldn't have fuccked her with your dick...."; and a modest set of skills acquired after a while in the theatre of action (The primary skill being that of being able to see the forest for the trees....knowing what p4p really is and expecting nothing more from it). Nothing more and nothing less.....*shrug* 8)


Of COURSE it is projection. Thus the word experience, i.e. fantasy. Thanks for the psychology lesson, I feel enlightend.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:54 pm 
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I am much older than you so I have a different attitude about this. But if you are having trouble getting or keeping it up why can't you do what the older guys do. Take vitamin V or C. There's not minimum age to do this. There no shame in it either.


is it legal to bring viagra on a plane. is it easily purchased in the gulch. Thx in advance for response.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:11 pm 
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is it legal to bring viagra on a plane. is it easily purchased in the gulch. Thx in advance for response.

I've taken it in my carry on both times I've gone to CR without any problems. I've only taken a few pills and they have been in a prescription bottle. The genenic V is readily available all over San Jose at almost any pharmacy - I haven't asked for the real V, so I don't know its availability. You don't need a prescription to buy it. I think you'll pay more at the pharmacies near the HDR, so walk a few blocks. I pay less than $3 for the 100mg pill at a little walk up pharmacy on Avenue 4 just east of Calle Central.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:06 am 
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Marlinassault wrote:
is it legal to bring viagra on a plane. is it easily purchased in the gulch. Thx in advance for response.


It is easily purchased around gringo gulch. If you go to the pharmacy up from Hotel La Amistad, and show them either an Amistad business card OR a Sportsmen's Lodge business card, you will be given a 10% discount on anything purchased that is over the counter (not requiring a Rx). Viagra is available with no Rx, hence a 10% discount. The "generic" product made in Columbia (at least that is what the box says)....

Too, this pharmacy is the most cost effective one I've located. Again...up the street from La Amistad and across the street from the Hospital....

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:07 am 
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Steven1 wrote:
Marlinassault wrote:
is it legal to bring viagra on a plane. is it easily purchased in the gulch. Thx in advance for response.


It is easily purchased around gringo gulch. If you go to the pharmacy up from Hotel La Amistad, and show them either an Amistad business card OR a Sportsmen's Lodge business card, you will be given a 10% discount on anything purchased that is over the counter (not requiring a Rx). Viagra is available with no Rx, hence a 10% discount. The "generic" product made in Columbia (at least that is what the box says)....

Too, this pharmacy is the most cost effective one I've located. Again...up the street from La Amistad and across the street from the Hospital....


right on..thx steven..i m gonna stay at sl half the trip and other half at amistad or dunn inn..havent made my mind up yet..


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:08 pm 
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I agree this is a great first post. And I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to needing a connection. I never really have the issue of not being able to do the deed but that may just be the vitamin V! LMAO The thing is I strongly disagree with much of what is being said here but that's okay. We all have our opinions and what works for one may not work for another. This is the age old question on the board and there seems to be 2 camps..... 1) It is all about money and you are fooling yourself if you think differently. 2) Those with "game" get what they want. But maybe there is room for one more catagory.... and that is Who cares if you come away feeling you got exactly what you want... then the why really doesn't matter.

Perhaps it isn't the GFE that is hard to find but rather it is the desire to nail everything that looks appealing visually. I limit myself when I am down. I rarely session with more than one chick per day, although sometimes I'll hit two. I'll talk to girls everyday, some I have no intention of hooking up with. Others, I'm fact finding. My trips are always short and so I make myself be selective. I generally don't do day time sessions and my nights are spent away from the gulch. I try very hard to find girls that I actually like.........NOT just their looks but their attitude, personality and demeanor as well. I make sure they know that to be with me it is going to be ALL night and it is going to be a party. I'll tell them to make whatever money they want or need until it is time for us to go out and then it is going to be about having fun! When we do go out we go out, we don't' hang in the gulch, we go to the places they would go if they weren't working. I think the more you can do to get them away from their "work" environment the better the chances to get them to relax and just have fun. I rarely do not get the GFE experience. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe I'm able to bend my own perceptions to be what I want them to be. Either way it works for me.

My suggestion would be to be more selective in your choosing. It has also been my experience that the SL girls are much less "hardcore" than the HDR girls. I have only pulled maybe three girls from there and only one of them was able to provide me with what I was looking for. Again this may only be a perception in my own mind but this is okay because our perception is our reality.

Good luck Translova.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:24 am 
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When we do go out we go out, we don't' hang in the gulch, we go to the places they would go if they weren't working. I think the more you can do to get them away from their "work" environment the better the chances to get them to relax and just have fun.


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Anything that breaks 'em off of their set routine.....great stuff KL.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:08 pm 
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IT's been awhile, but.....

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When we do go out we go out, we don't' hang in the gulch, we go to the places they would go if they weren't working. I think the more you can do to get them away from their "work" environment the better the chances to get them to relax and just have fun.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh thought of being young... :roll: :roll: :roll:

But after five long years "Of trying to Change what will never Change"

I have a little tune you need to hum while trying to change the world....


Hall & Oates

Maneater
She'll only come out at night
The lean and hungry type
Nothing is new, I've seen her here before
Watching and waiting

Ooh, she's sittin' with you but her eyes are on the door

So many have paid to see

What you think you're gettin' for free

The woman is wild, a she-cat tamed by the purr of a Jaguar

Money's the matter

If you're in it for love, you ain't gonna get too far
(Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater


I wouldn't if I were you
I know what she can do
She's deadly man, she could really rip your world apart

Mind over matter

Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart
(Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater

(Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up

(Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater

Take advive from One who's been there...

Say ya did, and don't!!~! :shock:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:40 pm 
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You're not alone. The GFE makes it all worth it, good thing about this... it saves money! It takes time for the GFE to be realized, meaning you stay out of the rotation chica... you know, the one who hits the bar, upstairs, and quickly down for the next john.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:29 pm 
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Don't feel weird about it since it's happened to me on the first 2 trips out there. I also know others who have fessed up to having performance issues.

On my 1st trip, I thought it was me since it couldn't be that hot Colombian chic with the tight body & perfect breasts. It was embarrassing so I pulled out & asked her for a HJ. I think she blew out a shoulder trying to finish me off. I chalked it off to the jet lag. I then went to New Fantasy the next day & picked this tiny stacked 20 something that looked like that actress Juliann Marguilies. 2 mins after she mounts, I'm starting to go soft. Now it's a jedi mind thing as I sort will myself to completion. It felt like I just took the SATs than me having sex. I head to SL in shame & there I overheard someone mentioning the CRT site. I race back to HDL, sign up & read through the posts.

Since I spoke no Spanish & my buddy, who was the CR expert backed out, I was in CR alone & sort of picking up things as I saw them. So now I'm in my room for a few hours going through posts, memorizing Spanish phrases, negotiation tactics, etc- arming myself with CRT knowledge. I figured that I didn't vet the girls properly. Yes, that must be reason for my "issue".

With more confidence, I walk over to the pharmacia & get some Vitamin V. Pop one, head back to HDL with swagger, go up to the bar. A girl soon asks me something in Spanish. Just like CRT mentioned, I say "No Cien!" with authority. The confused girl then says "No baby, what you want to drink?" I order a coke & run the bloody hell over to the other side in embarrassment.

Soon a pretty Colombian grabs me. I go through my CRT Spanish phrases. She ask for "Cien" & I counter, CRT style. Next thing I know, I'm in my room with a hot Colombian girl for $80 who is about to give me my negotiated BBBJ, DOGGY, CIF, BBQ (and other acronyms I learned on CRT few hours before). 15 mins, I again go soft. WTF? Was it her bubble bottom? I knew that was too much ass. I over-assed myself! I had to fake an orgasm so that I could get her out of my room & hide my shame. I head back to NF one more time with the same results. My 1st CR trip was a horrible bust.

On my 2nd trip, I went with group of friends all of whom spoke no Spanish. Being that some of them didn't know how to initially deal with the girls, I volunteered to chat up the girls (with my broken Spanish). I had nothing to lose since I was simply grabbing girl after girl for each of my buddies & making the same idle chatter. I made sure all my buddies got their 1st CR bang. As I began talk to this girl that caught my eye, I just thought I'd practice my Spanish. She spoke very little English but was quite enthusiastic in helping me with my Spanish. She wasn't stunning as the ones in my 1st CR trip- she was above average. But there was something there. After about 20 mins of joking around, she reaches over & tells me that she wants to go upstairs. We simply agree on a price (that's it) & go upstairs. She takes a shower & comes out looking all hot with her hair slicked back wet & a banging body that I didn't notice at the bar. She looked super hot right out of the shower. She went to a 9. I'm on the bed with the tv on watching Spanish MTV or something. She comes out & we continue to chat & watch TV. I can sort of make out what she is saying. She then starts to make out (DFK) & we then get to it... 3 hours later I'm all smiles & only $80 short. She left me her cell# & told me she had a great time. Wanting that same experience, I did my best to duplicate the "interview" & I had fun on my 2nd CR trip.

I learned (that for me), I need that emotional connection (even a temporary one) with a girl before sex. Sounds gay & I don't mean "let's talk about our hopes & dreams" connection. I simply mean do I find this girl mentally attractive. Is she fun? Once you experience that visceral feeling, you'll know how to steer the conversation & weed out girls that aren't compatible for you.

I know that you are shy. But you will be surprised at how many 8's, 9's & 10's, you will weed out simply by chatting them up for abit. I've learned that looks for me really doesn't do it. That doesn't mean that I'm going to bang a chewbacca because she has a good personality. I know the right ratio of looks to mental "attractiveness" that appeals to me.

Don't know what to say? Pretend it's party & you are talking to another guy. Just have a conversation as you ask superficial questions-- name, interests, what country are you from, etc. Have a simple story about your vacation or something. I have a generic story involving cute puppy & my little nephew. There are even pics are on my cell. You'll begin to get a feel for her attitude depending on how she responds.

After a few of these conversations, you will get more comfortable & these conversations get more flirty. It took me awhile (due to the language barrier) but I can now feel out the girl to see if she is going to give me that GFE/mental hard-on or just lay there & take my money & leave me with mental blue balls. The girls I've picked up since then all enjoy making out (without asking) & easing into sex which makes it more fun for me. I would not get this without talking to her & feeling out her mood.

Hopefully, my embarrassment will be a learning experience. In retrospect, I laugh at the situation which made me more aware of myself. I would have never done this at home. Put in effort & you will get what's coming to you.

No matter how embarrassing/dumb you may think a situation is, chances are there's at least one CRT member that will have more a embarrassing/dumb experience that you can learn from. Chance are pretty good that I will be that CRT member.

PS- Learn enough Spanish to get by. Go watch K*ds Spanish television. You'll pick up the basics quickly.

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I like the puppy idea. That would help me to focus on the brown-nosed puppies squirming under her T-shirt. Also it helps me to think about other animals, like the toe of the camel. Works every time. What ever you do, don't think about soon to be Supreme Court Justice Kagan. That could make you soft for a month

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:34 pm 
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You had to bring up Kagen... yuk. Now I'll never get another erection. :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:08 pm 
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[P4P]....it is NOT satisfying.....it is NOT gratifying.....it IS hollow at best.

NOTHING the same as a woman GIVING you a piece of pusssieee......ass.....whatever......NOTHING...



Steven,
You and I have had this conversation before. From your perspective this is probably true. If you have NOT been married or in a committed relationship for a long period of time, I can see how one might feel like this. P4P IS a hollow pursuit in the absence of real relationships with women.

However, for the long-time married guy, it is quite thrilling and gratifying. Especially for 50 something guys to be with young beautiful women. However shallow the actual act is, its is still an intimate act, even in an MP. Does it mean anything? Yes! It means validation, sexual satisfaction, adventure and fun. Many guys such as myself actually believe it enhances a man's relationship with his significant other by allowing him to live his fantasies. If the man of the relationship is happy, that is a good thing for the relationship. You would be shocked at how many older women actually recognize this these days and tend to "ignore" this type of behavior, as long as it is discrete.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:51 am 
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This has been a very illuminating thread. I don't have the same problem - or rather have a variation of it and less severe - but it gave me a good perspective of the vibe in CR. I've traveled around the world chasing tail, but never been to CR.

In any case, I can tell you some things that have helped me with the problem. I also need foreplay to get it up fully. What I really dig is the "naturalness" of the act. For example, I hate it when a chica (even in porn movies!) quickly undresses and gets ready for the act. Undressing (for sex, at least) is a primal act to me, which takes one from the civilized world to the animal world, passing a critical point where two people go from being stragners to physically penetrating each other. Unfortunately, in spite of my reasonably prolific mongering career, it has been rare that I have been able to get around this problem. In MP's, most of the times, there's no question of undressing. With take-home girls, they either rush into the bathroom and come out naked or jump out of their clothes as soon as they get into the room.

So I have a few suggestions for you:
1. Try to limit interruptions to the flow of things. In my case, as I suspect in yours, I'll have an erection first, but lose it due to interruptions such as exchanging money, going to your room, she talking on the phone, etc. Be mindful of how you can get around this - use some of those interruptions to make foreplay, pace yourself such that you start getting into it after the interruptions, etc.
2. Try a strip club in SJ. You can get your foreplay on the stage and get on the action as soon as you get to the back. I've never been to CR, but am really looking forward to visiting the strip clubs. I have so many memories of getting a big boner and then be confronted by words like no touching, the song is up, etc. here in "sex prison USA", that taking a stripper for a private dance and banging her is a big turnon for me
3. Haven't read about such places in CR, but I love places like the termas in Rio or Europe. Where semi-nude girls are mingling with punters and there's a set menu, so negotiation is relatively limited; you start fooling with the girl in the common areas and head straight to your room. Usually within couple of minutes of agreeing to a deal, you're doing the deed. I have come to hugely prefer these places and I suggest you try them out.
4. Don't let it bother you. Do not be embarrassed if you lose your boner. You are there to have fun and paying her to be with you. It is (or should be) more shameful to her that she can't get you up. Besides, she has seen it all before. She is going to forget about you within 10 seconds of stepping out of your room. Don't get into this negative psychological circle, which will only make the problem worse with time.

Now that I have said my two cents, I have a request from fellow mongers: any thoughts on ways of fulfilling some of my preferences outlined above? It can be in CR, where I'm heading shortly, or elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:32 am 
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Bargain hunting and taking subpar chicas doesn't help either. When I was playing a good bit in SJ five years ago, I was using vitamin V a fair amount of the time. I had gotten away from taking chicas I thought were hot and scaled down a bit. Could have been Psychological too. Found that being with a chica that really turned me on, there was no need at all for V.


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