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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:08 pm 
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Hal01,
That is a great rate. For a van and a driver. Let me state categorically, you are not going to get a better deal. Where did you find this? I live down here and would be interested for the future. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:10 pm 
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You've got it covered Hal...Go with it. Much better deal than renting...


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Heres all the info. for renting

http://www.amcostarica.com/wednesday.htm

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A few clarifications.

1) GT and Hal, I stand corrected. I don't know why but I was thinking of the Rav4 not the 4Runner. You still could fit 4 men in Rav4, at least if they leave their hockey gear at home, but it would definitely be tight. OTOH, 2 guys and their chicas would fit just fine.

2) Tman, I'm glad to see you finally qualified your statement about ALWAYS needing an SUV and that it depends on which beach you want to go. Again the original question was on going to Jaco and for that a smaller car will indeed suffice as GT's experiences prove. GT is also mostly correct that an SUV is mainly needed for off-road mountain driving in the rainy season however higher road clearance is nice to have whereever there is uneven pavement and a vehicle with a larger engine than a Yaris is nice if you plan to be able to drive a heavily loaded car up some of the steeper mountain roads at more than a crawl.

3) Another thing for Tman: of course driving in CR is not the same as driving in the US. GT, although it does have many similarities to driving in Boston, you have to admit it isn't exactly the same either. However, if you notice, the original question didn't ask to compare the driving conditions to anywhere in the US but rather to Colombia. Comparing driving conditions between one developing latin country with another IS a fair comparison. Having driven in both countries, I'm in the position to assure the original poster that his own experiences driving in Colombia should give him a better idea of exactly what the driving conditions in CR are actually like. As I stated the biggest difference is that one doesn't have to worry about road-jackings in CR like you do in Colombia.

4) Finally, this thread DOES seem to get repeated every month and the main reason that I feel compelled to jump in each time is to bring some balance and objectivity to the debate. If you listened to most of the other posters here, you would think one would have to be crazy to rent in CR under any circumstances and yet besides GT and myself there are plenty of rental companies. So a lot of other people must think that there is something to be said for renting.

You will notice that, unlike nearly everyone else who seems to have a personal opinion on this subject that they feel has to be right for everyone else under every circumstance, I qualified a lot of my remarks and discussed pros AND cons of each approach. In fact both GT and I agree and have stated many times that renting a car while you are in SJ to get around is simply crazy. That is something we all universally agree on. But the question was specifically the merit of renting a car to get to Jaco for one individual or a group of people for a couple of days. Even here I said it was probably not the best option for Elmoreno because he was traveling alone and only MIGHT be a valid option for Hal and his group. I also clearly stated that I was in part "playing devil's advocate".

In fact, there are many valid options particularly for the relatively short and common trip to Jaco. They include the public bus for those individual travelers who don't have someone to split the costs of more luxurious travel with or those who simply don't want to pay the added cost of either rental or a private driver (incidentally, I've also met interesting Ticos on public buses that I probably never would have talked with if I'd been isolated with in a private car or tourist shuttle-van, though I wasn't as lucky as Scuba), the public shuttle van as a moderately priced alternative, rental cars for those who actually enjoy the freedom and adventure of driving yourself and the private driver for those who like the added luxury and don't mind paying the higher cost (though I can't understand how someone who uses crazy Tico drivers as a reason not to rent would then want to hire one to drive them around).

Some final points, despite what Micky says, while scams and break-ins occur, to say they're common is to suggest they're somehow likely to happen to most people which they simply are NOT. He is right though, similarly to walking in SJ or getting BBBJ's, if you're going to be paranoid about it all the time, you should just choose a different option. The idea is to have fun while in CR. Despite what TMan suggests, I've been able to enjoy the sites I came to see just fine while sitting in the driver's seat. I don't speak fluent spanish, though I speak some, and I manage fine. In fact, the one group I've had the biggest problem understanding are cab drivers themselves, so unless you get the right driver, their translation services may not be much help. The risk of a ticket or a breakdown in CR may be higher in CR for a tourist, but I just drive more carefully in CR and neither has ever happened to me. How often do such things occur back home? I rarely get tickets in the US or have breakdowns and I drive thousands of miles each year in a much older car than the ones I rent in CR, so I don't worry too much about it. For that matter, how often do you have the $1000 of damage to your car at home like Micky worries about. I just don't see either of these as that huge risk.

TMan is right. Renting and driving a car in CR IS for the adventurous and is NOT for everyone. But the adventure is not about any of the risk factors he mentioned. The adventure for me is in finding my own way in a strange land without anyone to hold my hand and, yes, sometimes getting lost and then discovering new areas, and sometimes people, that I had not intended. Sure, the drawbacks that others have mentioned exist though IMHO are not as severe as they make out, but drawbacks and tradeoffs exist with all the alternatives. The point is that each person should make the choice that is right for themselves based on their own personal preferences, attitudes and circumstances and a thorough understanding of the advantages, disadvantages and sometimes the actual risks of each of the various alternatives and not the biased one-sided views of other members.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:13 am 
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Personally, I rented a car for a week to travel to Poas, Arenal, Jaco, and Quepos, and I was glad I did. I can certainly recommend Budget car rental in San Jose. I paid $240 including tax and basic insurance for a Nissan Sentra. I also got myself a flat tire and a nicely bent rim from hitting one of the many giant potholes on the road back from Poas. Budget gave me a replacement spare wheel and tire the next morning, and no extra charge for it (I was fully prepared to pay $75-$100 or so for the new wheel, and the fact that it was not charged certainly put Budget up a notch in my estimation).

The roads genuinely DO suck. But the freedom of having a car at one's disposal certainly has value for travelling around outside of San Jose, on one's own schedule.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:24 am 
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you did not divert from the original question, and gave me an experienced and very informative answer. Of course i would not expect the conditions to be the same as the USA. I am traveling with a buddy, and i speak perfect spanish, so therefore I should not have any problems. I am renting with my American Express and I have the renters insurance that covers me for up 100,000, so i should be fine. As far as restrictions I love to get around when i want, and where I want, so i think renting is the best option after hearing your post. I will be there next week friday, 3/11, so if anyone needs a ride...lol...... thanks to everyone for their posts.

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El Moreno,
One more word of warning (and this coming from a guy who likes to rent), you might want to check with American Express to make sure their renter's insurance covers what you plan to be doing. Most of the credit card companies subcontract with the same insurance company for their rental car insurance coverage. CR is one of the countries that has some serious restrictions on coverage. I was told if you take the vehicle at all "off-road" it is not covered. What constitutes "off road" was not made clear, though it could be even any dirt or gravel road. And the policy does not cover you if you are inebriated or if anyone other than the cardholder is driving. Despite all this I always skip the pricey full coverage that the rental car companies offer and take my chances on the usual $1000-1500 deductible with their basic coverage.


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Moreno...one timely update from some friends of mine experience this past weekend. This is high season and there is a lot of hijinks at these auto rental services this time of year.

A group of 8 friends had reserved 2 RAV4s from Thrifty rental at the SJO airport. Their flight came in an hour late Saturday afternoon. Thrifty has ONE shuttle and they had to wait for the 2nd pass of the shuttle to pick them up...40 minutes of waiting at the airport. I was there to help them and welcome them, so I saw all this first hand. Once we all got to the rental facility there were people inside and out the small office WAITING for their vehicles. It took another 45 mintues just to process my friends at the office desk. Then the REAL fun began...we waited for their 2 vehicles 2 MORE HOURS!!! They were waiting for vehicles to check in before getting them back out for waiting reservations (BAD system). Every client before us was pissed off...and my friends are classy people, but my buddy and I finally went to the back pound where they wash and prep the cars. The first car had come out 30 minutes before. The 2nd car was SITTING there totally trashed...nobody had touched it yet...and no workers to be found. We had the number of the car and when an attendent finally came out and verified it was ours, we told him FORGET cleaning it...we're taking it NOW...and we got in and drove out to the front where everyone and the luggage was. If my friends had taken my advice, they would have been picked up by a van when their flight got in and driven to JAco where they were headed. THey could have rented cars from there...and they would have been in Jaco an hour before they even got to get out of the airport.

It does't end there. We got to Jaco driving through the mountains at NIGHT which is very scary driving...missing the sunset and everything they were looking forward to. Then this morning when we got up and I was leaving to come back to work in San Jose, someone had KEYED the side of the SUV of my buddy. That will probably be a 1400-1500 charge, and probably 2+ hours of processing insurance claims when they return the cars this weekend.

This once again affirmed my suggesting to friends and relatives to only rent once they've ARRIVED to their end destination. This is not an isolated event, and for the same money for the 2 cars...they could have a NICE airconditioned van and driver the whole fricken week at their disposal. I really have no biz interests to be telling you all this...but I want everyone to make the most of their valuable vacation time down here...and most of these rental companies cannot keep up with high season and service demands. Everyone proceed at their own risk levels...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:55 pm 
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I've been renting FWD vehicles in CR for over 15 years. I always purchase the full insurance. This covers everything except if you are at fault in an accident, or you have willfully damaged the vehicle.

We have returned vehicles with broken shocks, CV joints, and trashed tires. Once we had a bashed front end, and once our vehicle was vandalized. Full police report (oxymoron?), copies of said report, and no probs upon return.

This past January our FourRunner was returned with a bad CV joint (front left), a snapped shock (front left), and a bent drag link which caused the front tires to wear excessively. We were lucky to get it back to SJ.

I drive these things like I stole them, and based on rental rates (yes, FourRunner w/full insur is about $100/day), I feel like I'm the one who was robbed.

Traversing the back mountain roads in south and south central Pac coast is a thrill a minute. Acting like a horny teenager isn't confined to only riding the chicas in the gulch.

Get out and adventure, it's pretty damned invigorating.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:01 pm 
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I always purchase the full insurance. This covers everything except if you are at fault in an accident, or you have willfully damaged the vehicle.


Jefe...no doubt you have had a good time in the outback. I just am trying to advise guys maybe not quite as adventurous or thrillseeking as you to be careful when renting. In many or most rental agencies, checkout and insurance forms will take a long while to handle at check in. I have known many cases where guys had to post some pretty big money for this scenario you describe before they've been allowed to LEAVE THE COUNTRY. THe idea of dropping off a car and being on the shuttle in 5-10minutes like in the states just doesnt exist here in most cases.

The other fear some should have is what you describe...what happens if YOU are at fault or they INTERPRET that you willfully damaged the vehicle...or drove offroad. Again, at fault accidents down here can WRECK your vacation, so for that reason alone, MANY guys will see the logic of hiring the pros to drive their own vehicles...at $100 or LESS per day.

I grew up in the Motor City vicinity, so I understand the American culture and lust for taking the wheel and having your own space...but in other countries...it's just sometimes NOT the best idea.

OK...Thats all I have to say on this thread :roll: ...


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:06 pm 
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Another advantage of renting a car when you get to Jaco instead of San Jose is that it is usually cheaper in Jaco. And sometimes those super low prices end up costing you in the end depending on how shady the company is. I always rent from National. I don't know if they have the best price but they don't pull any funny business.


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I had a very bad experience with Budget in an early trip.They charged over $600 to my credit card because the car had mechanical failure so you don't have to have a fender bender to have a problem.Had it not been for the help of Conde Nast travel magazines compliaint section it would have never been resolved and it would have been too bad.Anyway, I will walk before renting a car from budget again.By the way Budget in the US was absolutely no help,They kept passing the buck to Costa Rica.Rbc100( sure I have posted before on topic but one of those things you don't forget)


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RBC100 wrote:

By the way Budget in the US was absolutely no help,They kept passing the buck to Costa Rica.


I believe that! It seems that the larger rental agencies in CR are almost
completely independent of their 'parent' companies in the US. One time I
rented a vehicle from Hertz on Paseo Colon, and attempted to get a
special discount rate that Hertz had advertised in the US. Naturally they said it didn't apply to CR.

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